Powers & Abilities Logia awakening super thread
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Imo most of the mythical Zoans aren't just that great though. I mean even if you look at some of the strongest already, the Gorosei's fruits. One is a big boar, one is a big bird, one is a skeleton horse, one is a big spider monster and the other one is a sand worm. If all of them bar Ghandi won't get carried a lot by their regeneration with such huge bodies, I will be surprised. And they are already standing there awakened btw.
And even the strongest mythical Zoans were owned by characters that were and are already op at base.
Kaido: Oni strength, FS, CoC + CoC amplifier, mastered Kanabo style
Luffy: 3 advanced haki types
If you abstract all that it imo paints a completely different picture. And again logia awakening still has to drop officially. When all comes together I just think they will end up superior overall. But I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one, which is no biggie of course.
And even the strongest mythical Zoans were owned by characters that were and are already op at base.
Kaido: Oni strength, FS, CoC + CoC amplifier, mastered Kanabo style
Luffy: 3 advanced haki types
If you abstract all that it imo paints a completely different picture. And again logia awakening still has to drop officially. When all comes together I just think they will end up superior overall. But I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one, which is no biggie of course.
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I don't like to judge by appearance and draw immediate conclusions when most of the Goroseis haven't even begun to move yet or been tested in real combat except for Saturn, who has begun to perform better than Kizaru in the recent chapters. Apparently, they are endgame materials, so just by that fact alone, a large portion considers it to be very good, which is an argument I don't agree with anymore, but you also made use of it in your previous comments.
Logia may give off this false sense that they are the strongest Devil Fruits because "hur dur admirals are Logias," and on average, there are more top-tier Logias than Mythical Zoans, Zoans, and Paramecias. Thus, establishing prematurely that they are the most powerful Devil Fruits. However, this is a flawed reasoning because it heavily depends on the user. Orochi had a Mythical DF with insane potential, but its user was complete garbage and therefore didn't reach its full potential. This applies to most Mythical Zoans. Marco's DF, for example, in my view, is better than any Logia shown. The abilities provided by Marco's fruit are incredible, but they are limited by the fact that it needs someone not as strong to wield it, thus failing to convey that sense of superiority.
Logia are also less difficult to obtain than Mythical Zoans, which are rarer, so if we had an opposite scenario here, we could have more top-tier Mythical Zoans, and things would be entirely different. That's a good excuse for Oda, therefore, we cannot establish an "average", when one is more difficult to find than the other.
Exactly, that's why they are the strongest characters. I think you were expecting a similar setup for all characters and ultimately adding one fruit of each type to define which DF is the most powerful?
The last two strongest men in the world, Whitebeard and Kaido, one had a Paramecia and the other had a Mythical Zoan. When it seemingly comes to a Logia, Oda feels the need to make the "most powerful Logia" require a second fruit so that the combination of both can elevate the user to higher levels, which wouldn't be possible with just the Logia alone.
I disagree. Mythical Zoans are so powerful, for example, Kaido's, that it's necessary for high-level Logias to awaken just to match how extraordinary Kaido's fruit is without even being awakened. This reality is so strong that Kizaru's poor performance here in EGG is a reflection of my argument.
So let's wait and see if the awakening of the Logia saves its bearers from being humiliated, whether by stabbed old men, by Haki-Wifi, or by the presence of other characters.
Logia may give off this false sense that they are the strongest Devil Fruits because "hur dur admirals are Logias," and on average, there are more top-tier Logias than Mythical Zoans, Zoans, and Paramecias. Thus, establishing prematurely that they are the most powerful Devil Fruits. However, this is a flawed reasoning because it heavily depends on the user. Orochi had a Mythical DF with insane potential, but its user was complete garbage and therefore didn't reach its full potential. This applies to most Mythical Zoans. Marco's DF, for example, in my view, is better than any Logia shown. The abilities provided by Marco's fruit are incredible, but they are limited by the fact that it needs someone not as strong to wield it, thus failing to convey that sense of superiority.
Logia are also less difficult to obtain than Mythical Zoans, which are rarer, so if we had an opposite scenario here, we could have more top-tier Mythical Zoans, and things would be entirely different. That's a good excuse for Oda, therefore, we cannot establish an "average", when one is more difficult to find than the other.
Exactly, that's why they are the strongest characters. I think you were expecting a similar setup for all characters and ultimately adding one fruit of each type to define which DF is the most powerful?
The last two strongest men in the world, Whitebeard and Kaido, one had a Paramecia and the other had a Mythical Zoan. When it seemingly comes to a Logia, Oda feels the need to make the "most powerful Logia" require a second fruit so that the combination of both can elevate the user to higher levels, which wouldn't be possible with just the Logia alone.
I disagree. Mythical Zoans are so powerful, for example, Kaido's, that it's necessary for high-level Logias to awaken just to match how extraordinary Kaido's fruit is without even being awakened. This reality is so strong that Kizaru's poor performance here in EGG is a reflection of my argument.
So let's wait and see if the awakening of the Logia saves its bearers from being humiliated, whether by stabbed old men, by Haki-Wifi, or by the presence of other characters.
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