Speculations Loki was defeated by Shanks

[Just a member]

My only problem with this is... can you be a Yonko if you never leave your island?

Elbaf is its own territory, unaffiliated with the WG and strong enough for the WG to not openly try to fuck with it.

If Loki is Elbaf's best, does he earn the title of Yonko even if he does zero pirating?

If Momo were to awaken his DF to a dangerous power level, combined with the samurai force which the Marines claimed to fear, would that alone make him a Yonko? Just because he "owns" territory in the New World?

I have no issue with Shanks becoming a Yonko because he took down Loki and his influence.
But I have a hard time seeing an Elbaf-confined Loki deserving the title of Yonko.

Not a yonko but a threat to the WG so a figure similar to Dragon, who is probably as strong as a yonko (or above, who knows) but isn't a yonko.

Having a very strong country / a very strong leader figure can be enough to be feared by the whole world. The giants were a curse with their "giants crew", Wano too was feared by the WG despite they don't leave their country. Basically every country/power which is strong enough to not be assimilated by the WG is a threat to them, then you can call them yonkos, revolutionaries, giants, samurais etc. depending on the case.

Finally there is also Ryuma, he supposedly didn't leave Wano yet we get his hype as the sword god (even if it is by Wano citizens, but that is basically Oda telling something to the readers) and at least Moria knew enough to go steal his corpse for his zombie army (even if that isn't really such a big hype..).

 

[Kiri]

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They're called Seguleh and they're a tribe of swordsman who practice swordsmanship religiously, they have a hierarchy based on strength alone, which is settled with rankings and the amount of marks on the mask denotes the ranking of the warrior , the "Seguleh 1st" is known to be legendary, among the handful of greatest swordsmen in the World.

 

[NAMELESS]

If its true, I wonder if Shanks got a powerup or not to defeat 2.6 billion Loki 6 years ago.

Oh boy, Shanks became Yonko 6 years ago. I forgot about that. Beating Loki was probably what made him pu into Yonko tier.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Oden was the first to scar Kaido hence the ptsd.
Not really. Kaido immediately got up as we see next chapter. Thats just head canon.

Manga said Kaido suffered X amount of defeats (don't even remember the number, who cares about irrelevant character of the past nowadays), yet Oden was the one giving him PTSD. Means it is not about scar, but Kaido was the closest to his death against Oden, hence the PTSD.
Character that apparently wants a death, but actually living in PTSD the moment he was close to actual death. What is even this inconsistent character?

Proof pre yonko shanks > Oden?
Oden said that if he can't beat Kaido , no one else can including shans's superior in roger though. Take that as you will.

Take that as I will: I won't take a retard's words, same retard who dancing naked and got tricked by Orochi, seriously.
Pre Yonko Shanks that defeated Loki > Oden, because 2 reasons:
1. Loki logically above Oden because Elbaf is above Wano
2. Pre Yonko Shanks learned Kamusari, same technique who low diffed Oden.

Its you who downplaying Waido where manga states otherwise.

Manga states Kaido doesn't have awakening, while the average characters of today's standards like Kaku has awakening. Kaido has been powercreeped.

Yes. The endgames in Imu and Eos BB. Shanks will be BB victim.

Shanks is not BB's victim, but Kaido was Shanks' victim.
There is a reason Kaido put Shanks on his Top 5.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Manga said Kaido suffered X amount of defeats (don't even remember the number, who cares about irrelevant character of the past nowadays), yet Oden was the one giving him PTSD. Means it is not about scar, but Kaido was the closest to his death against Oden, hence the PTSD.
Character that apparently wants a death, but actually living in PTSD the moment he was close to actual death. What is even this inconsistent character?

I don't think those defeats were much relevant to Kaido. Luffy lost a bunch of times already but will be strongest by eos. Those defeats were mostly when Kaido was not in his prime.

I mean no one seem to have scarred Kaido before oden. Oden was the first and only person before zoro to scar him. So obviously that had an effect on him. Imu is probably current WSM and still seem to have joyboy PTSD.

Nah. Kaido was not dying lol. That attack did the same what zoro did to Kaido. Scar him.

Take that as I will: I won't take a retard's words, same retard who dancing naked and got tricked by Orochi, seriously.
Pre Yonko Shanks that defeated Loki > Oden, because 2 reasons:
1. Loki logically above Oden because Elbaf is above Wano
2. Pre Yonko Shanks learned Kamusari, same technique who low diffed Oden.

--No proof loki is above oden. Oden is literally placed alongside Roge , Prime WB , Shanks himself etc.
--No. Kamusari did jack shit to oden other than pushing him. Oden was completely fine after taking Kamusari. Even boro breath pushed oden back a bit.
--Prime roger's adv coc > pre yonko shanks's COC.

Manga states Kaido doesn't have awakening, while the average characters of today's standards like Kaku has awakening. Kaido has been powercreeped.

Doffy has awakening but that doesn't make him superior to characters like king lol.

Shanks is not BB's victim, but Kaido was Shanks' victim.
There is a reason Kaido put Shanks on his Top 5.

--Shanks 100% is BB victim and is meant to be devoured by BB. The built up for it is simply too much for it not to happen.
--Yeah. Shanks is strong.

 

[ApostlesBane]

If Loki got defeated by Shanks, that's actually huge hype for Loki.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

My only problem with this is... can you be a Yonko if you never leave your island?

Elbaf is its own territory, unaffiliated with the WG and strong enough for the WG to not openly try to fuck with it.

If Loki is Elbaf's best, does he earn the title of Yonko even if he does zero pirating?

If Momo were to awaken his DF to a dangerous power level, combined with the samurai force which the Marines claimed to fear, would that alone make him a Yonko? Just because he "owns" territory in the New World?

I have no issue with Shanks becoming a Yonko because he took down Loki and his influence.
But I have a hard time seeing an Elbaf-confined Loki deserving the title of Yonko.

Loki was never a yonko, shanks was the fourth one but Loki was a pirate. He has a bounty and everything.

We also know that he nearly escaped punishment years ago meaning he probably set out to sea after stealing the fruit and that’s when he became a pirate