Powers & Abilities Luffy does not have advCoC coating yet
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So a lot of people seem to think that Luffy has already developed Adv CoC, but I really don't think that's the case so I'll try to break it down, keep in mind of course that it is just my opinion on how Wano is presented.
First and foremost, Conqueror's Coating has had an incredibly strong portrayal in the story. Only Yonkou tiers have shown to use it at will. And a proper Conqueror's Coating clash of top tiers always comes with a sky splitting. I think it's fair to say that Oda has reserved Conqueror's Coating for those who truly lie at the top. And right now Wano is definitely the point in the story where we see this happen live, but most importantly, it's showcased through the fight of Zoro vs King. And personally, I don't think Luffy is up there with these people yet.
Second point is that Zoro just learned how to control his Conqueror's Coating. So in this arc, thematically, using Conqueror's Coating is showcased to be a necessity to defeating Kaido, it is central to the theme of Wano of being the point in Zoro's journey were he can finally stand up to a Yonkou, and his newfound usage of CoC is directly correlated with that. Conqueror's Haki right now has everything to do with Zoro vs King, and nothing to do with Luffy. Having Luffy also awaken Conqueror's Coating this short of a time between Luffy and him would weaken Luffy's theme and struggle. We JUST learn this arc that Luffy has Conqueror's too, so I don't think we should precipitate ourselves already and claim that he also advanced it to the next level. Zoro deserves the spotlight and theme of having a superior Conqueror's Haki, and Luffy earning the exact same powerup would take away from this from a narrative standpoint.
And finally, the mammoth in the room, what the hell was Asura if not AdvCoC? Well, for starters, Kaido didn't comment on Luffy having coating, nor was he as shocked and glad as he was with Luffy awakening it, he simply commented on it being CoC. So right off the bat it can't be a proper display of Advanced CoC, it must've been a more dormant, lower level version of it. Which is actually something we've already seen happen with Luffy multiples times. Against Mr. 1, he was able to use Armament Haki and some argue that Observation as well, but wasn't able to use it at will, even against Enel. He displayed the potential of Haki, but not yet the ability to control and properly unleash it. And this might be what's happening here too.
So personally, will Luffy learn Adv CoC by the end of Wano? I don't think so. If we look at the fight between King and Zoro, Zoro coating his Conqueror's is crucial here since Kaido is a direct obstacle in him becoming Pirate King. To finally stand up to and defeat the strongest commander requires from Zoro the strongest will to conquer, it's a perfect thematic stepup for Zoro. For Luffy? Kaido doesn't really mean that much, he doesn't even consider himself a swordsmen.
I think it's more likely that Luffy will learn Conqueror's Coating against his fight with Shanks.
If I'm wrong though, I'll gladly take the L.
First and foremost, Conqueror's Coating has had an incredibly strong portrayal in the story. Only Yonkou tiers have shown to use it at will. And a proper Conqueror's Coating clash of top tiers always comes with a sky splitting. I think it's fair to say that Oda has reserved Conqueror's Coating for those who truly lie at the top. And right now Wano is definitely the point in the story where we see this happen live, but most importantly, it's showcased through the fight of Zoro vs King. And personally, I don't think Luffy is up there with these people yet.
Second point is that Zoro just learned how to control his Conqueror's Coating. So in this arc, thematically, using Conqueror's Coating is showcased to be a necessity to defeating Kaido, it is central to the theme of Wano of being the point in Zoro's journey were he can finally stand up to a Yonkou, and his newfound usage of CoC is directly correlated with that. Conqueror's Haki right now has everything to do with Zoro vs King, and nothing to do with Luffy. Having Luffy also awaken Conqueror's Coating this short of a time between Luffy and him would weaken Luffy's theme and struggle. We JUST learn this arc that Luffy has Conqueror's too, so I don't think we should precipitate ourselves already and claim that he also advanced it to the next level. Zoro deserves the spotlight and theme of having a superior Conqueror's Haki, and Luffy earning the exact same powerup would take away from this from a narrative standpoint.
And finally, the mammoth in the room, what the hell was Asura if not AdvCoC? Well, for starters, Kaido didn't comment on Luffy having coating, nor was he as shocked and glad as he was with Luffy awakening it, he simply commented on it being CoC. So right off the bat it can't be a proper display of Advanced CoC, it must've been a more dormant, lower level version of it. Which is actually something we've already seen happen with Luffy multiples times. Against Mr. 1, he was able to use Armament Haki and some argue that Observation as well, but wasn't able to use it at will, even against Enel. He displayed the potential of Haki, but not yet the ability to control and properly unleash it. And this might be what's happening here too.
So personally, will Luffy learn Adv CoC by the end of Wano? I don't think so. If we look at the fight between King and Zoro, Zoro coating his Conqueror's is crucial here since Kaido is a direct obstacle in him becoming Pirate King. To finally stand up to and defeat the strongest commander requires from Zoro the strongest will to conquer, it's a perfect thematic stepup for Zoro. For Luffy? Kaido doesn't really mean that much, he doesn't even consider himself a swordsmen.
I think it's more likely that Luffy will learn Conqueror's Coating against his fight with Shanks.
If I'm wrong though, I'll gladly take the L.
I can ... I mean it ... I CAN acknowledge Mihawk > Shanks as an possible and good claim
but going with Mihawk CoC > Shanks CoC is next close to madness ... pure madness ...
Shanks = first to use CoC in chapter 1
Shanks = first to use heave split in chapter fuck
Shanks = first to use island level CoC in chapter 1055
Shanks always was hyped for his CoC ... narrative is OBVIOUS on this one
Mihawk fans called CoC fodder control FOR YEARS
while we Shanks fan defended it with fate alone
if not out of logic , out of respect ... all fandoms should go behind us in this battel
but going with Mihawk CoC > Shanks CoC is next close to madness ... pure madness ...
Shanks = first to use CoC in chapter 1
Shanks = first to use heave split in chapter fuck
Shanks = first to use island level CoC in chapter 1055
Shanks always was hyped for his CoC ... narrative is OBVIOUS on this one
Mihawk fans called CoC fodder control FOR YEARS
while we Shanks fan defended it with fate alone
if not out of logic , out of respect ... all fandoms should go behind us in this battel
this post need a fix
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this logic is for MANGA!
in the ENTIRE manga
Shanks was MAIN vassal of Oda for hyping for CoC
you want to bet Vs Shanks? be my guest ... I'm saying don't ... for your guys sake
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Mihawk needs to prove he has CoC
Mihawk needs to prove he has Ad.CoC
Mihawk needs to prove his Ad.CoC is equal to likes of Luffy and Kaido
after that he can entre the race for being acknowledged as a CoC rival for Shanks
Shanks Raw CoC was 10,000 times more than Kaido
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this logic is for MANGA!
in the ENTIRE manga
Shanks was MAIN vassal of Oda for hyping for CoC
you want to bet Vs Shanks? be my guest ... I'm saying don't ... for your guys sake
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Mihawk needs to prove he has CoC
Mihawk needs to prove he has Ad.CoC
Mihawk needs to prove his Ad.CoC is equal to likes of Luffy and Kaido
after that he can entre the race for being acknowledged as a CoC rival for Shanks
Shanks Raw CoC was 10,000 times more than Kaido
Umm just because Shanks is the first one to use it doesn't mean he has the best
Sky splitting is the most basic CoC feat..fucking trash like big mom of all people can do it
What?? Zoros CoC lightening was literally bigger than Onigashima. What Shanks did in 1056 was impressive but Mihawk will show far greater CoC.
All that Shanks wank you applied..applies to Rayleigh as well.
And you had Garp in top 5 Haki users when he hasn't even shown CoC.
Mihawk is fucking WSS..Zoros Kingly ambition is mihawk where is Shanks is a mere Yonko..he's neither wss nor pirate king.
Him having stronger CoC than mihawk doesn't make much sense. I'll be honest
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Umm his Haki didn't even make to his bounty poster
Whitebeard referred to his sword duels with mihawk
Mihawks bounty talks about shanks swordsmanship and his own swordsmanship
Why doesn't Shanks bounty poster talk about his Haki.
So far Shanks has one decent Haki feat and his fans have gone nuts.
Wait till mihawk shows his CoC
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No that's Rayleigh
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Umm what?
This all applies to garp as well.
Shanks individual strength was worth 1.014 billion
Mihawk is worth 3.6 billion
Mihawk is an actual King
Shanks is a mere Yonko
How can his CoC be above Mihawks?
Mihawks CoC would royally shit on Kaidos too
Mihawk needs to prove he has CoC..get the fuck outta here with this fucking dishonesty
Who else needs to prove they have CoC? Xebec?
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Mihawk isn't Shanks rival
What part of that do you not understand
he SHITS ON Shanks
Shanks is. Mihawk wanna be
Challenges mihawk and gets called one armed has been
Mihawk has been bullying marines on coffin boat and became marine hunter
Shanks needs his entire crew to bully green broccoli 🥦
Come on now
What has Shanks even accomplished
12 years as a pirate
Benn Beckman Yasopp Lucky Roo
Roger pirate
Yonko
STILL ONLY WORTH 400 MILLION MORE THAN MIHAWK
that is fucking embarrassing
Sky splitting is the most basic CoC feat..fucking trash like big mom of all people can do it
What?? Zoros CoC lightening was literally bigger than Onigashima. What Shanks did in 1056 was impressive but Mihawk will show far greater CoC.
All that Shanks wank you applied..applies to Rayleigh as well.
And you had Garp in top 5 Haki users when he hasn't even shown CoC.
Mihawk is fucking WSS..Zoros Kingly ambition is mihawk where is Shanks is a mere Yonko..he's neither wss nor pirate king.
Him having stronger CoC than mihawk doesn't make much sense. I'll be honest
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Umm his Haki didn't even make to his bounty poster
Whitebeard referred to his sword duels with mihawk
Mihawks bounty talks about shanks swordsmanship and his own swordsmanship
Why doesn't Shanks bounty poster talk about his Haki.
So far Shanks has one decent Haki feat and his fans have gone nuts.
Wait till mihawk shows his CoC
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No that's Rayleigh
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Umm what?
This all applies to garp as well.
Shanks individual strength was worth 1.014 billion
Mihawk is worth 3.6 billion
Mihawk is an actual King
Shanks is a mere Yonko
How can his CoC be above Mihawks?
Mihawks CoC would royally shit on Kaidos too
Mihawk needs to prove he has CoC..get the fuck outta here with this fucking dishonesty
Who else needs to prove they have CoC? Xebec?
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Mihawk isn't Shanks rival
What part of that do you not understand
he SHITS ON Shanks
Shanks is. Mihawk wanna be
Challenges mihawk and gets called one armed has been
Mihawk has been bullying marines on coffin boat and became marine hunter
Shanks needs his entire crew to bully green broccoli 🥦
Come on now
What has Shanks even accomplished
12 years as a pirate
Benn Beckman Yasopp Lucky Roo
Roger pirate
Yonko
STILL ONLY WORTH 400 MILLION MORE THAN MIHAWK
that is fucking embarrassing
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and you think CoC hype is over?
Us ... Shanks fans ... never debated much about Shanks Vs Zoro
cause I'm open to Prime Zoro > Shanks
but Shanks and his CoC is FAR too high up ... why should Shanks fandom bother debate about Mihawk CoC?
it's punching down
I think Mihawk CoC is no joke ... but debate is too much of demand right now
Us ... Shanks fans ... never debated much about Shanks Vs Zoro
cause I'm open to Prime Zoro > Shanks
but Shanks and his CoC is FAR too high up ... why should Shanks fandom bother debate about Mihawk CoC?
it's punching down
I think Mihawk CoC is no joke ... but debate is too much of demand right now
The fact that Oda has already shown more or less peak of Shanks CoC but has yet to show CoC of true Chads like Mihawk Prime Garp and Xebec should be indication that you shouldn't be so arrogant about shanks CoC.
I made a mistake of thinking CoC was fodder clear but you also separated CoC from swordsmanship when Zoro has King of hell.
I think Zoros CoC is above Kaidos and not that much below Shanks.
Mihawks CoC should be far above that.
For the record I put mihawk above Roger Xebec Joy Boy everyone after latest chapter.
I made a mistake of thinking CoC was fodder clear but you also separated CoC from swordsmanship when Zoro has King of hell.
I think Zoros CoC is above Kaidos and not that much below Shanks.
Mihawks CoC should be far above that.
For the record I put mihawk above Roger Xebec Joy Boy everyone after latest chapter.
@Red Admiral my biggest issue is Shanks having peak CoC doesn't sit well with me because at the end of the day he is just a mere yonko and it took him 6 years to become one where as Mihawk in 2 seconds spat on yonko title.
He is not pirate king
He is not wss
The only two confirmed Kingly ambitions
If he isn't true King of kings how can he have peak of King's Haki?
You never thought about that?
Shanks is worth puny 4 billion despite Beckman Roo Yasopp carrying him Roger cred 12 years a pirate
His bounty is very embarrassing I am being serious
@comrade
@Seraphoenix
@SakazOuki
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
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When Shanks not a fodder to mihawk?
He is not pirate king
He is not wss
The only two confirmed Kingly ambitions
If he isn't true King of kings how can he have peak of King's Haki?
You never thought about that?
Shanks is worth puny 4 billion despite Beckman Roo Yasopp carrying him Roger cred 12 years a pirate
His bounty is very embarrassing I am being serious
@comrade
@Seraphoenix
@SakazOuki
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
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When Shanks not a fodder to mihawk?
You need Oda to spell out to you Mihawk has CoC? Oh boy, look at all the swordsmen who have/had it. Imagine thinking the WSS won't have it but his pupil who will fight him will have it
Mihawk sword skills > Shanks
Mihawk Yoru > Shanks Gryphon
Mihawk CoA > Shanks
Mihawk CoO > Shanks
Mihawk bounty with Yonko crew > Shanks > Mihawk w/o crew
Mihawk CoC > Shanks
Mihawk sword skills > Shanks
Mihawk Yoru > Shanks Gryphon
Mihawk CoA > Shanks
Mihawk CoO > Shanks
Mihawk bounty with Yonko crew > Shanks > Mihawk w/o crew
Mihawk CoC > Shanks