Questions & Mysteries Luffy never could be pk if Ace was alive. Ace would be the pk after Luffy train
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Dude for the last time ace was weaker than Yami BB. Ace then has 2 df better than ace's. BB would also be growing just like ace. Lastly BB already proven he can easily beat the wbp remnants. So unless you wanna say ace gets as strong as the remnants combined then no he's not beating BB and no he's not beating another yonko. The ace that you are trying to imagine is a ace maybe 20 years down the line near his prime not a ace with 1 year of training that magically gets haki better than luffy's, his df disadvantage just goes away, and he just get massive physical boost to the point his body goes from almost breaking from a normal Yami BB punch to being able to take a haki enhanced quake punch. Ace isn't luffy and luffy isn't ace. Luffy can grow to be twice as strong as he was mid fight vs someone. This is unique to luffy and ace never hinted or shown this ability. No ace would grow like normal and the stuffy you say he might have sure he can get but that'd be decades into the future and luffy would already be pk.
Ace never wanted to be pk. If he was alive his options would be losing to BB in the payback war or helping luffy be pk at the end of the day keeping the yonko system alive.
Ace never wanted to be pk. If he was alive his options would be losing to BB in the payback war or helping luffy be pk at the end of the day keeping the yonko system alive.
ace was weaker than yami bb but not for much (like luffy vs crocodile/lucci/kata/kaido...) and difference to ace bb was trained all his live because he has an ambition and ace never didn't have. But now he would be the captain he wouldn't have wb to protect the family against the another yonkos/admirals and he wanted to defeat kaido,bb and akainu and he knows than he isn't too weak (before that he only lost against wb but he thought than he could defeat kaido and the another pirates/admirals)
what? in the pics they have the same age
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what? in the pics they have the same age
I doubt that Ace would've had the same growth rate as Luffy. He would've inherited a Yonko crew and wouldn't have experienced as many extreme situations as Luffy.
I bring it up because Blackbeard will be pirate king level pretty soon, especially when he gets a 3rd fruit.
So Ace wouldn't have been strong enough to defeat BB, if he had lived. And through butterfly effect or whatever Luffy wouldn't experience consecutive intense fights to reach that level either
So if Ace had lived, Blackbeard would've been pirate King.
I bring it up because Blackbeard will be pirate king level pretty soon, especially when he gets a 3rd fruit.
So Ace wouldn't have been strong enough to defeat BB, if he had lived. And through butterfly effect or whatever Luffy wouldn't experience consecutive intense fights to reach that level either
So if Ace had lived, Blackbeard would've been pirate King.
Ace had MORE RIGHT for being Pirate King ...
but
- Whitebeard crew power wasn't enough to make him king
- Ace himself in manga NEVER stated he wanted to be the pirate King
- Once he got there he might understood he is not the true kin
- personal power got NOTHING major to do with Pirate King journey
but he couldn't become king faster than Luffy even if he wanted
so ... yup
but
- Whitebeard crew power wasn't enough to make him king
- Ace himself in manga NEVER stated he wanted to be the pirate King
- Once he got there he might understood he is not the true kin
- personal power got NOTHING major to do with Pirate King journey
but he couldn't become king faster than Luffy even if he wanted
so ... yup
Dude gaining ambition to get stronger doesn't take ace to #1 in a year. Ace still needs to unlock his abilities, train, and master all his abilities. In this you are saying ace just beats BB in a year then just beats another yonko then becomes pk. So ace only needs to beat 2 people to become pk and master all of his abilities to the highest level? Do you understand how crazy and fanboyish this sounds.
Counter the argument stop bringing up ambiguous stuff like ace getting ambition to get stronger. That's why you make no sense cuz to you ace getting ambition to get strong means ace can be top 1 or near it in a year so you don't need to make sense. You can try and say this stuff cuz you aren't using what the manga shown but leaning heavily on a ambiguous argument of ace's potential to rate him where ever you want.
1. BB is starting out decently stronger than ace.
2. BB has 2 df better than ace 1 of which could counter ace's.
3. BB is also growing at the same rate as ace so how can ace surpass him. This isnt a luffy and kata situation where kata sits at a level while luffy tries to catch up. No BB is at a higher level and keeps getting stronger while ace tries to catch up.
4. BB already shown within a year he can easily beat the wbp remnants. How does ace beat BB when BB beat the crew handily already? Only way this makes sense is if ace is as strong as the remnants combined which again doesn't make sense. If you stared a marco vs ace thread had he lived marco would dominate the poll as the winner yet this same marco was helpless against BB.
Counter the argument stop bringing up ambiguous stuff like ace getting ambition to get stronger. That's why you make no sense cuz to you ace getting ambition to get strong means ace can be top 1 or near it in a year so you don't need to make sense. You can try and say this stuff cuz you aren't using what the manga shown but leaning heavily on a ambiguous argument of ace's potential to rate him where ever you want.
1. BB is starting out decently stronger than ace.
2. BB has 2 df better than ace 1 of which could counter ace's.
3. BB is also growing at the same rate as ace so how can ace surpass him. This isnt a luffy and kata situation where kata sits at a level while luffy tries to catch up. No BB is at a higher level and keeps getting stronger while ace tries to catch up.
4. BB already shown within a year he can easily beat the wbp remnants. How does ace beat BB when BB beat the crew handily already? Only way this makes sense is if ace is as strong as the remnants combined which again doesn't make sense. If you stared a marco vs ace thread had he lived marco would dominate the poll as the winner yet this same marco was helpless against BB.
_wb crew isn't enough but with jimbe and yamato he would be
-Ace never wanted due his father he didn't know what it's to become pk and he is similar than your dad
-ace mf=luffy pre udon after he would trained with shanks for one years he would be near than yonko level and he would grow up for bb fighting (who is weaker than now)
-After he defeated bb he would be roger level and he would defeat kaido in medium diff and imu would be killed him and his family that would be the reason than he would go to raftel (shanks would help him)
-Ace never wanted due his father he didn't know what it's to become pk and he is similar than your dad
-ace mf=luffy pre udon after he would trained with shanks for one years he would be near than yonko level and he would grow up for bb fighting (who is weaker than now)
-After he defeated bb he would be roger level and he would defeat kaido in medium diff and imu would be killed him and his family that would be the reason than he would go to raftel (shanks would help him)
Shanks has no reason to train Ace tho. Ace would be a captain on a rival crew. Shanks doesn't even want to see the kid he sacrificed his arm for.
BB is also a horrible matchup for Ace. Whereas Luffy is kinda suited for him.
9 time out of 10 Blackbeard would become pirate King. We're just seeing the 1 where Luffy gets ridiculously strong in an absurdly small time to beat out BB.
BB is also a horrible matchup for Ace. Whereas Luffy is kinda suited for him.
9 time out of 10 Blackbeard would become pirate King. We're just seeing the 1 where Luffy gets ridiculously strong in an absurdly small time to beat out BB.
luffy with 2 years (he was weaker than ace with 18 years) was trained with ray for 2 years (only the basic who ace with 18 had it) defeated doffi with help, trained with kata for some hours and been defeated 4 time to kaido he would be pk the same years. And you tell me than i'm fanboy (i'm only fan to zoro i never like ace) when ace was better and would have better situation (shanks train, fights against pre-yonko like bb)
ace is the roger son, brother than luffy and he wants to defeat bb (his enemic)
bb didn't have this power one years ago
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ace is the roger son, brother than luffy and he wants to defeat bb (his enemic)
bb didn't have this power one years ago
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ace with 18 years old
luffy with 18 years old
luffy with 18 years old
Yamato was also weak back then.
Why you keep saying Ace with 18 years old?
Let's compare currently Luffy 19 years old with Ace 22 years old losing to BB. Luffy since post timeskip would crush BB easily. Luffy right now at Wano would one shot BB.
- to overcome 2 Yonko (maybe even 3) and Marine? Whitebeard who refused to fight Kaido MANY TIMES?
- honestly ... I don't think we can judge "what Shanks would do" ... for all we know Shanks was FULLY aware about Ace blood line and he didn't do much about it ... why should he help Ace if he is not the chosen one? I can even see Shanks stand in his way and chance his opinion with words (not force)
- all of this assumtion are wired to me since I don't see Roger beat Kaido in anything less than extreme diff
and as I said ... we HAVE NO IDEA what Shanks would do
Shanks COULD'VE helped ace if he wanted to
but so far he didn't even helped Luffy
- honestly ... I don't think we can judge "what Shanks would do" ... for all we know Shanks was FULLY aware about Ace blood line and he didn't do much about it ... why should he help Ace if he is not the chosen one? I can even see Shanks stand in his way and chance his opinion with words (not force)
- all of this assumtion are wired to me since I don't see Roger beat Kaido in anything less than extreme diff
and as I said ... we HAVE NO IDEA what Shanks would do
Shanks COULD'VE helped ace if he wanted to
but so far he didn't even helped Luffy