Current Events Luffy vs Kaido is a major asspull
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*Zoro goes toe to toe with Kaido despite getting KOed by nerfed killer and bullied by beetle gifter*
Worstgen: "OMG Zoro is the GOAT! Oda is a genius! GODA!!"
*Luffy goes toe to toe against Kaido after training arc and progressively fighting high tier characters*
Worstgen: "I cant belive this! It is too soon for Luffy fight Kaido [only +1000 chapters] Oda is such shitty writer! I hate this!! Asspull!!"
Worstgen: "OMG Zoro is the GOAT! Oda is a genius! GODA!!"
*Luffy goes toe to toe against Kaido after training arc and progressively fighting high tier characters*
Worstgen: "I cant belive this! It is too soon for Luffy fight Kaido [only +1000 chapters] Oda is such shitty writer! I hate this!! Asspull!!"
This is not about subjective or objective, I am explaining something that is non-debatable linguistically to address the claim that plot contrivances can't exist in fiction which is a claim I have never heard before in my life.
This also has nothing to do with one piece at all, I am simply explaining to you that you're point on plot contrivances not existing in fiction is objectively false.
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This also has nothing to do with one piece at all, I am simply explaining to you that you're point on plot contrivances not existing in fiction is objectively false.
going back to zoro btw is whataboutism
you arent defeating akagame's argument who I dont even think is a zoro fan
if zoro fans dont think its a bit of a power escalation too
they are delusional
whats clear is that this has always been prevalent in one piece
why complain now. newer op fans or just cause now it happens to be a yonko.
you arent defeating akagame's argument who I dont even think is a zoro fan
if zoro fans dont think its a bit of a power escalation too
they are delusional
whats clear is that this has always been prevalent in one piece
why complain now. newer op fans or just cause now it happens to be a yonko.
I think this reaction is simply because of unmet expectations. Back when EL happened there was no major build up to that arc, Wano has been built up for over a decade and this is pretty much the gateway arc to the endgame so people expected Oda to bring his A-game pen wise but...................well here we are.
im not claiming that it, linguistically, do not exist, what i claimed is that, it, objectively, is untrue, that's why i said it's all subjective
Linguistically exist =/= Objectively true
Here i quote the very definition of said words
"A plot contrivance is when you dismantle core concepts and rework them JUST to have one scene or JUST to have a political agenda, with no logic or reason beyond that." (https://www.writingforums.org/threads/plot-holes-plot-contrivances-and-nitpick-critiques.161366/#:~:text=A plot contrivance is when,logic or reason beyond that.)
"no logic or reason beyond that"
now the question relies on what logic do we base it on? fiction logics? real life logics?
Since it's a fiction, of course, objectively, it's more appropriate to judge it based on the fiction logics. If we judge it based on real life logics, would you call a vampire-based anime plot contrivance filled anime since it defies our real life logic?
So to talk objectively, you have to present a breakdown on said fiction's physics before judging if it has plot contrivances
Linguistically exist =/= Objectively true
Here i quote the very definition of said words
"A plot contrivance is when you dismantle core concepts and rework them JUST to have one scene or JUST to have a political agenda, with no logic or reason beyond that." (https://www.writingforums.org/threads/plot-holes-plot-contrivances-and-nitpick-critiques.161366/#:~:text=A plot contrivance is when,logic or reason beyond that.)
"no logic or reason beyond that"
now the question relies on what logic do we base it on? fiction logics? real life logics?
Since it's a fiction, of course, objectively, it's more appropriate to judge it based on the fiction logics. If we judge it based on real life logics, would you call a vampire-based anime plot contrivance filled anime since it defies our real life logic?
So to talk objectively, you have to present a breakdown on said fiction's physics before judging if it has plot contrivances
No of course I never looked at one piece power scaling beyond what it actually is. Oda does what he wants and I know this but (and i believe this has been adressed before) Oda stated that the solution for how Luffy will defeat Kaido will be more than just what essentially is a "serious serious punch".............but.......isn't that what is happening right now?. Luffy spent two weeks training to learn Adv Armament because apparently that was the answer to the riddle that is Kaido unrivaled durability, skip to the rooftop chapter and Kaido is screaming in pain from Law throwing rocks at him and Kidd body slamming him. Then ontop of all of that it turns out all you really need is to get clubbed a couple times of the head to unlock the one thing necessary to defeat Kaido ( advanced kings ), objectively bad writing. Couple this with the incompetent villains that seem to throw light jabs rather than haymakers conveniently so our heroes can get the hang of things, you end up with no tension.
We are talking about the world of literature, it is an objective fact that plot contrivances can exist within any form of literature because the word "PLOT" in regards to literature is speaking about fiction, a quick google search will explain this to you.
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We are talking about the world of literature, it is an objective fact that plot contrivances can exist within any form of literature because the word "PLOT" in regards to literature is speaking about fiction, a quick google search will explain this to you.
I look at it like ofc the physical manifestation is still a punch because thats how luffy fights
but a lot deeper its more like luffy'ss conquerors haki/will is stronger than kaido's so in this clash where both clearly have the same ability with coc , luffy's is just a tad more overwhelming. whether thats cliche or not is up to you but thats just shonen. kaido is about breaking wills of strong people and now he happens to come across someone's who is > his. so in a sense its a defeat not just physical but he simply came across someone whose will couldnt be broken /stronger than his.
am not sure how fans will digest that but I think thats what the author is going for
I also think thats why when he's unconscious, kaido still comments about him staring him down.
The no tension argument to that I say
luffy and kaido still has ways to go.
but a lot deeper its more like luffy'ss conquerors haki/will is stronger than kaido's so in this clash where both clearly have the same ability with coc , luffy's is just a tad more overwhelming. whether thats cliche or not is up to you but thats just shonen. kaido is about breaking wills of strong people and now he happens to come across someone's who is > his. so in a sense its a defeat not just physical but he simply came across someone whose will couldnt be broken /stronger than his.
am not sure how fans will digest that but I think thats what the author is going for
I also think thats why when he's unconscious, kaido still comments about him staring him down.
The no tension argument to that I say
luffy and kaido still has ways to go.
Oh ya I am not arguing about that specifically just the point about the technical term of plot contrivance. You and I both know that one piece isn't a Shakespearean work of fiction Lol it's just a above average action Shonen manga there to appeal to young boys, so ya ridiculous power jumps are bound to happen but we just chalk that up to the genre.
I love how Luffy v. Kaido has been building for like 11 years now, and people call it an asspull 
The problem was most underestimated Luffy. He was always close to Top Tier right after 3D2Y. You let the Cracker/Ulti/Apoo bullshit distract you.
Imagine if Oda actually made Luffy use his 100% power which was King Kong Gun or even use a King Kong Gatling. Instead people bought into the fake hype of Luffy's opponents. Oda will make Luffy struggle against random fodder if he wants to
The problem was most underestimated Luffy. He was always close to Top Tier right after 3D2Y. You let the Cracker/Ulti/Apoo bullshit distract you.
Imagine if Oda actually made Luffy use his 100% power which was King Kong Gun or even use a King Kong Gatling. Instead people bought into the fake hype of Luffy's opponents. Oda will make Luffy struggle against random fodder if he wants to
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never change sanjikun
I love how Luffy v. Kaido has been building for like 11 years now, and people call it an asspull
The problem was most underestimated Luffy. He was always close to Top Tier right after 3D2Y. You let the Cracker/Ulti/Apoo bullshit distract you.
Imagine if Oda actually made Luffy use his 100% power which was King Kong Gun or even use a King Kong Gatling. Instead people bought into the fake hype of Luffy's opponents. Oda will make Luffy struggle against random fodder if he wants to
The problem was most underestimated Luffy. He was always close to Top Tier right after 3D2Y. You let the Cracker/Ulti/Apoo bullshit distract you.
Imagine if Oda actually made Luffy use his 100% power which was King Kong Gun or even use a King Kong Gatling. Instead people bought into the fake hype of Luffy's opponents. Oda will make Luffy struggle against random fodder if he wants to