Chapter Discussion Luffy was Knocked out before Zoro. This proves that Zoro's endurance is superior to Luffy's.

[HA001]

you as a fan can think that
at the same time thinking that luffy pummeling kaido into a scrub
and zoro beheading near death kaido is a real W.

why cant you keep the same energy ?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

why cant you keep the same energy ?

I am keeping the same energy
kaido loses
if defeat is acknowledged
in the story.
like with katakuri.

 

[HA001]

I am keeping the same energy
kaido loses
if defeat is acknowledged
in the story.
like with katakuri.

its not
kata didnt get up for the rest of the arc once luffy left the mirror world not the same

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

its not
kata didnt get up for the rest of the arc once luffy left the mirror world not the same

he stood over luffy then fell.
he was still conscious
on the ground.
but he acknowledged defeat
as far as something similar happens
its a legit W for me and a "fake" one otherwise.

at the end of the day
if the story says he defeated kaido
thats all that matters
the fandom can spin a fake W however they want.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

So which attack was stronger? And who has the higher Endurance?

Endurance being taking attack and keep on fighting.
So who took the most damage out of the two and kept on fighting? Zoro or Luffy

Hakai is more DC while Ragnarok is CoC infused AP attack. Luffy has higher endurance than Zoro because he tank more hits and still fighting while Zoro is out of the fight.

 

[Geo]

Hakai is more DC while Ragnarok is CoC infused AP attack. Luffy has higher endurance than Zoro because he tank more hits and still fighting while Zoro is out of the fight.

Endurance is not about the number of attacks you tank but about the level of attacks and the resultant damage you endure.

 

[stairs-kun]

Hakai is more DC while Ragnarok is CoC infused AP attack. Luffy has higher endurance than Zoro because he tank more hits and still fighting while Zoro is out of the fight.

Hakai is AdvCoC and advCoA. Zoro didn't even use his own advCoC to stop it. He used base.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

yeah fuck this
my real opinion
quantifying luffy and zoro's endurance in this battle is near impossible
a good moment is thriller bark when zoro was still standing after taking luffy's pain
thats a direct comparison
luffy took a ragnarok
zoro took a hakai for a bit that was meant to annilhate all 5
completely different attacks
getting knocked out temporarily also isnt the limit of ones endurance.
what I can say is
its both impressive
but I still think luffy's is marginally better.
why?
I think luffy could block the hakai for the same amount of time zoro did given his prowess in coa as well.

 

[Geo]

yeah fuck this
my real opinion
quantifying luffy and zoro's endurance in this battle is near impossible
a good moment is thriller bark when zoro was still standing after taking luffy's pain
thats a direct comparison
luffy took a ragnarok
zoro took a hakai for a bit that was meant to annilhate all 5
completely different attacks
getting knocked out temporarily also isnt the limit of ones endurance.
what I can say is
its both impressive
but I still think luffy's is marginally better.
why?
I think luffy could block the hakai for the same amount of time zoro did given his prowess in coa as well.

Zoro is more proficient as has the superior haki strength when it comes to CoA, in particular his barrier haki is far superior to Luffy's

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Zoro is more proficient as has the superior haki strength when it comes to CoA, in particular his barrier haki is far superior to Luffy's

dont think so .
not sure how we quantify haki strength either.

 

[Geo]

dont think so .
not sure how we quantify haki strength either.

Zoro with barrier haki managed to momentarily stop the island busting attack Hakai...proving by the fact that the attack does not go past Zoro.

Luff still hadn't got the hang of barrier back in Udon. He also hadn't used it defensively like Yamato has in Onigashima.

Zoro possessed this ability even before Luffy. He was shooting haki slashes before Wano

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Zoro with barrier haki managed to momentarily stop the island busting attack Hakai...proving by the fact that the attack does not go past Zoro.

Luff still hadn't got the hang of barrier back in Udon. He also hadn't used it defensively like Yamato has in Onigashima.

Zoro possessed this ability even before Luffy. He was shooting haki slashes before Wano

so it was better than luffy's pre udon
but luffy has gone a step above that in udon.
unless we get a comparison of an attack luffy fails to block
that zoro could.
then its really up to what you think

I could def see him having stronger armament end of it all
while luffy has better coc and coo.

 

[Geo]

so it was better than luffy's pre udon
but luffy has gone a step above that in udon.
unless we get a comparison of an attack luffy fails to block
that zoro could.
then its really up to what you think

I could def see him having stronger armament end of it all
while luffy has better coc and coo.

Like Luffy said, even with Penetrating haki, his attacks were too shallow.
Zoro on the other hand was already cutting up Kaido's scales.

He "failed"(his haki was broken , arms were in pain) to block Kaido's club swing and also Ragnarok. Whiles Zoro with Asura deflected Kaido's club attacks

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Like Luffy said, even with Penetrating haki, his attacks were too shallow.
Zoro on the other hand was already cutting up Kaido's scales.

He "failed"(his haki was broken , arms were in pain) to block Kaido's club swing and also Ragnarok. Whiles Zoro with Adults deflected Kaido's club attacks

lets not act like punches are the same as sword attacks
kidd implied its not the same in any case.

"He "failed"(his haki was broken , arms were in pain) to block Kaido's club swing and also Ragnarok. Whiles Zoro with Adults deflected Kaido's club attacks"
true

 

[Finalbeta]

I don't get the Ragnarok hype feats wise. Luffy could handle it so much better than he could handle Boro Breath, meant not to constitute Kaido's strongest attack by portrayal.

 

[Zowo]

So if Zoro wasn t there Luffy would be dead

 

[Ravagerblade]

Zoro bois trying so hard to discredit Luffy. How shameful. From being nitpicky about certain things to overlooking inconvenient facts just so that their narrative doesn't fall about.

 

[Finalbeta]

Heh when Luffy will remotely prove he can block and deflect Hakai something of substantial may shift