Powers & Abilities Luffy's awakening

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Herrera95

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Gomu gomu being zoan never made sense because it doesnt have forms. But i guess Oda can just cover it up with "special" mythical zoan and it doesnt have to make sense
To be true both Luffy's and Katakuri's DF seems more like Logia but Logia has that hidden rule of being a natural element.
 
#22
So you are pretty much saying that Luffy was on Animal Mode. He may have Hybrid Mode we can't be sure. Sengoku also had Human DF and had his mode(which we are not sure if it is Animal or Hybrid but I would say Hybrid since was pretty similar to Sengoku and not Buddha himself on his face).

And what about Luffy G4? We can say that G2 and G3 are techniques but G4 there is definitely 3 differents modes which reminds Chopper Points. Different from Kaido's emotional states. Kaido has only Human, Hybrid and Animal mode but he has emotional states that alters his strength and haki too.
Well sengoku is budha and the way Oda drew it , it is most likely a Giant golden human where as imo nika looked like an ordinary human.

G4 isn't hybrid or zoan mode. Its more like basic usage of his DF with haki
 
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Herrera95

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Well sengoku is budha and the way Oda drew it , it is most likely a Giant golden human where as imo nika looked like an ordinary human.

G4 isn't hybrid or zoan mode. Its more like basic usage of his DF with haki
No way G4 is basic use of DF with haki. Only Chopper can do something similar with his rumble balls. And he even mastered it after timeskip not needing rumble balls anymore similar to Luffy but without drawback.

My point was that Sengoku transformation looked like Sengoku while Luffy G5 look like Nika. So it seems G5 is Animal Form while Sengoku used his Hybrid Form.
 
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No way G4 is basic use of DF with haki. Only Chopper can do something similar with his rumble balls. And he even mastered it after timeskip not needing rumble balls anymore similar to Luffy but without drawback.

My point was that Sengoku transformation looked like Sengoku while Luffy G5 look like Nika. So it seems G5 is Animal Form while Sengoku used his Hybrid Form.
G4 is basically ballooning his muscles with air and holding it with haki ; hence luffy can't let the air go from him



--That is not the case though. Sengoku's DF is also a human model. The animal form will also be human like in itself. We don't know whether he used hybrid or full zoan mode but there won't be any difference.

--The difference between sengoku's fruit to Luffy's is that Nika mostly looks like a ordinary human.

--Also you are confusing awakening with hybrid or zoan. Every zoan from the start as hybrid and zoan modes but because luffy's model in nika looks like a normal human it doesn't matter whether he is in base , zoan or hybrid -- All of them looks same.
 
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Herrera95

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G4 is basically ballooning his muscles with air and holding it with haki ; hence luffy can't let the air go from him



--That is not the case though. Sengoku's DF is also a human model. The animal form will also be human like in itself. We don't know whether he used hybrid or full zoan mode but there won't be any difference.

--The difference between sengoku's fruit to Luffy's is that Nika mostly looks like a ordinary human.

--Also you are confusing awakening with hybrid or zoan. Every zoan from the start as hybrid and zoan modes but because luffy's model in nika looks like a normal human it doesn't matter whether he is in base , zoan or hybrid -- All of them looks same.
Don't use Oda inconsistency to explain G4.

G4 uses haki to maintain his form. That holding air bullshit has no correlation with G4 drawback of being 10min without using haki and every next activation you have less time to be on G4 form. Which Oda completely forgot during that fight.

I'm trying to see a pattern between human DF used by human animal and hybrid form. Hybrid Form usually looks like the face of human form. Kaido Hybrid Form reminds his Human Form face where his animal form is just a dragon.

Sengoku transformation has Sengoku face on it when Luffy G5 has Nika Face.

We are not even sure if Luffy trully awakened or whatever. It seems an awakening but he says it is a gear but he can go in and out any time he wants without drawback(unlike gears).
 
#28
Don't use Oda inconsistency to explain G4.

G4 uses haki to maintain his form. That holding air bullshit has no correlation with G4 drawback of being 10min without using haki and every next activation you have less time to be on G4 form. Which Oda completely forgot during that fight.

I'm trying to see a pattern between human DF used by human animal and hybrid form. Hybrid Form usually looks like the face of human form. Kaido Hybrid Form reminds his Human Form face where his animal form is just a dragon.

Sengoku transformation has Sengoku face on it when Luffy G5 has Nika Face.

We are not even sure if Luffy trully awakened or whatever. It seems an awakening but he says it is a gear but he can go in and out any time he wants without drawback(unlike gears).
--What inconsistency? Luffy literally pumps air to his muscle to start G4 lol

--Kaido has a animal DF not a human one.

--When the base animal (mostly humans) in OP world eat an animal DF -- They can convert into an animal or hybrid which is humanoid with animal features. But if a human eat a normal human model basically chopper's DF then there won't be separate forms as the animal form looks like a normal human ( DF Animal being a normal human) and hybrid of a human x human = Human

--Same is the case for luffy as nika looks like a normal human of OP world. Sengoku's animal in Budha doesn't looks like normal human and instead is a big golden human creature
 
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Herrera95

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--What inconsistency? Luffy literally pumps air to his muscle to start G4 lol

--Kaido has a animal DF not a human one.

--When the base animal (mostly humans) in OP world eat an animal DF -- They can convert into an animal or hybrid which is humanoid with animal features. But if a human eat a normal human model basically chopper's DF then there won't be separate forms as the animal form looks like a normal human ( DF Animal being a normal human) and hybrid of a human x human = Human

--Same is the case for luffy as nika looks like a normal human of OP world. Sengoku's animal in Budha doesn't looks like normal human and instead is a big golden human creature
Inconsistency is the air getting out because anything else them haki depletion. Luffy G4 is always with his mouth open and screaming. Air is not a problem. Haki depletion is.

Doesn't matter I'm talkin about patterns. The pattern is that hybrid form has the face similar to human/initial(Chopper) form while animal form is completely different.

There is separated forms. Sengoku transformed himself and also Luffy.
 
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Inconsistency is the air getting out because anything else them haki depletion. Luffy G4 is always with his mouth open and screaming. Air is not a problem. Haki depletion is.

Doesn't matter I'm talkin about patterns. The pattern is that hybrid form has the face similar to human/initial(Chopper) form while animal form is completely different.

There is separated forms. Sengoku transformed himself and also Luffy.
Well its clear to me. You do you bro
 

Shisui

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I still don't get this shit all that well tbh.

Goku a human ate a human human model: Buddha
Luffy a human ate a human human model: Nika

Can Goku shoot out shockwaves in base like Luffy does with his rubber abilities???
Is that Buddha like state his awakening??
 
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Herrera95

#32
I still don't get this shit all that well tbh.

Goku a human ate a human human model: Buddha
Luffy a human ate a human human model: Nika

Can Goku shoot out shockwaves in base like Luffy does with his rubber abilities???
Is that Buddha like state his awakening??
A lot of questions that Oda will never answer because there is no logic on it.
 
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