Versus Battle Madara Uchiha VS The World Government
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I see. I thought this was directed to be.
Even then, saying the strongest OP top tiers can beat Madara is no OP wank, considering what happened in Wano, you know?
Why do you believe that? Does Madara have better feats? If so, which feats? WB's power objectively shits on Madara's destructive capability. And there are at least two or three characters comparable to prime WB. There is Garp, Kong, Sengoku, Mihawk and Akainu. Just those 5 alone would rock Madara. Heck, just one of them has the power to defeat Madara.
GM is one shot material for any top tier.
Kuzan ice age's the shit out of it. Akainu nukes it. Garp punches a hole into it. Mihawk slices it in half. And so on and so on.
Kurama is more tricky but this is Kurama without his jinchuriki host; he's significantly weaker than the Kurama/Naruto who fought Madara. Even with 100%. Also, we've seen how Kurama + Susanoo looked like. Madara still lost against Hashirama. Sure, current Madara is way stronger but he still is not a god tier.
Brother, there's much more than the speed gap, lol. All OP top tiers eclipse Naruto top tiers in various stats.
Guys like Law and Kidd would be kage+ level easily in Naruto.
This is a lie, Madara is not a god tier without the Juubi/Shinjuu. He's not immortal either and you fail to realise that the combined forces of the 9 bijuus - all weaker than the WG forces here - fucked up his body quite good with few hits. Bro even lost an arm.
Yes, I agree - a god tier would. But that's the thing: Madara is not a god tier. GM needs one touch and all top tiers need one touch to end GM's existence... You see how this argument won't work when GM is like a snail in comparison to them? Guess who will take the first hit? It's sure not those +10 fighters capable to injure Madara with a single attack (granted, there are some fodders on that list).
Yeah why? It's not like any of those top tiers can end countries...
A) It has to be a significant amount of chakra to make a vast difference - which also leads to Kurama losing power and being more vulnerable to the top tiers.
B) Again, all top tiers are legit way faster than GM and they have enough power to literally one shot that thing. GM gets statued. It's just the dead body of the Juubi.
Bullshit, Garp can compete with the power which shocks several islands with casual quake attacks.
Madara's perfect susanoo is objectively weaker than that. You cant tell me his attacks impacted the surroundings on such a large scale like that. Then there is Mihawk who is - at the very least - related to Shanks and Kaido (I'll totally avoid to say who of them is stronger than the other one because I know people will start arguing about that nonsense, lol).
How's versatility gonna do much when he gets kicked at the speed of light or living volcanos get thrown at his face, the entire battlefield being turned into ice (wait, is Kuzan even part of it) or someone constantly dropping meteors at him while someone who can punch islands away with ACoC attacks will keep on hitting Madara or someone who swings his sword and accidentally cuts an ice berg which dwarfs an island? You underestimate the amount of versatility this group can bring to the tables. You also forget there's BB who can bfr Kurama and GM with his yami powers.
Once again, Madara's hax is limited to soul touch and fuinjutsu which - depend on the fuinjutsu - won't even work on logia users due to elemental intangibility. Madara's limbo is the real tricky one I guess but it's nearly not enough to knock everyone out like that. I mean, OP characters have very high endurance.
Kizaru is literally the light man.
We've seen with Luffy vs Kizaru that top tiers can match Kizaru's LS in close combat (ie Luffy dodging several light beams in the middle of attacking Kizaru) and this is not just due to CoO.
Btw, what should that panel even mean?
1.) Madara is clearly far weaker than Rinne Sasuke.
2.) Madara is not a top tier.
3.) OP top tiers are not bijuus who are weak to mind control.
Bruh
1.) Madara needs to grab them.
2.) Their souls are getting pulled out.
3.) Madara would have to catch those souls, put it into that creature to have his jutsu successful.
You think they won't do shit when they see such a creature in front of them and their souls popping out of their body?
They have enough opportunities to evade such things. Barrier Haki is a force field which can prevent such things.
I'm telling you Haki can cancel certain hax.
By the way, Law has the ability to switch souls, isn't that right. Now tell me, if he was about to use this ability on Kaido/Big Mom on the rooftop, would it even work? Or would it fail like his spatial hax?
Madara needs to look them into the eyes for his genjutsus...
Fujitora is also blind, so good luck.
Well see above. It's not an instant kill.
They still have a certain window to prevent that.
You did not just say each Warlord get randomly fodderized by a soul dragon from a chakra-less Gedo Mazo lol...
Doflamingo will be done with that thing before the soul dragon can catch him.
- Already adressed above.
- Already adressed above.
- Which fuinjutsus? Also, this is such a shallow argument. I can also just say "Kizaru can blitz Madara in multiple ways" or "Mihawk slices Madara in 1000 pieces" without considering the fact that Madara needs to engage in combat with them to seal their bodies in the first place. Madara is the one who gets anal penetrated.
Bro, even 5 top tiers would be enough.
Even 3 would be enough.
It's complete insanity to believe Madara fodderizes +10 characters who can easily match his own power and have preventative abilities against some of his haxes.
Warlords are weaker than Madara but they are not complete fodders.
They are enough for Kurama and GM.
I believe one of the admirals make short work on either of those two.
One of their equals froze entire oceans with ease. You don't seem to get the gap between Kurama and OP top tiers. At least with Kurama who has no host.
This is nonsense; most of their techniques can affect entire islands.
You make it way too convenient for Madara. Even Mihawk, who has swordskills but no hax, showed range which dwarfs an island like MF.
???
So? The tailed beasts are still way weaker than your average One Piece top tier; they're even less tanky.
I guess this is a valid argument since Madara's clones operate from a different dimension. OP has yet to show they can sense or hit things from other dimensions. Also, you forget Madara has like 2 ringo clones without Juubi. They all cannot keep +10 powerhouses at bay. Can they even successfully track Kizaru? He's still pure light and faster than the guy who even blitzed Juudara a few times.
I am extremely generous even debating about round 3. There is simply no way Madara beats a small army of characters all on his own who can also end Madara's life with 1 - 3 powerful moves max. When Akainu's hits connect, Madara will lose limps. Mihawk's lethality is also a death sentence for Madara if it successfully connects.
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One powerful Ryuo slash and these mokuton clones (they cannot even use perfect susanoo) are gone... Madara needs better jutsus to beat Mihawk - not with these techniques which were used on the fodder kages.
Even then, saying the strongest OP top tiers can beat Madara is no OP wank, considering what happened in Wano, you know?
Why do you believe that? Does Madara have better feats? If so, which feats? WB's power objectively shits on Madara's destructive capability. And there are at least two or three characters comparable to prime WB. There is Garp, Kong, Sengoku, Mihawk and Akainu. Just those 5 alone would rock Madara. Heck, just one of them has the power to defeat Madara.
GM is one shot material for any top tier.
Kuzan ice age's the shit out of it. Akainu nukes it. Garp punches a hole into it. Mihawk slices it in half. And so on and so on.
Kurama is more tricky but this is Kurama without his jinchuriki host; he's significantly weaker than the Kurama/Naruto who fought Madara. Even with 100%. Also, we've seen how Kurama + Susanoo looked like. Madara still lost against Hashirama. Sure, current Madara is way stronger but he still is not a god tier.
Brother, there's much more than the speed gap, lol. All OP top tiers eclipse Naruto top tiers in various stats.
Guys like Law and Kidd would be kage+ level easily in Naruto.
This is a lie, Madara is not a god tier without the Juubi/Shinjuu. He's not immortal either and you fail to realise that the combined forces of the 9 bijuus - all weaker than the WG forces here - fucked up his body quite good with few hits. Bro even lost an arm.
Yes, I agree - a god tier would. But that's the thing: Madara is not a god tier. GM needs one touch and all top tiers need one touch to end GM's existence... You see how this argument won't work when GM is like a snail in comparison to them? Guess who will take the first hit? It's sure not those +10 fighters capable to injure Madara with a single attack (granted, there are some fodders on that list).
Yeah why? It's not like any of those top tiers can end countries...
A) It has to be a significant amount of chakra to make a vast difference - which also leads to Kurama losing power and being more vulnerable to the top tiers.
B) Again, all top tiers are legit way faster than GM and they have enough power to literally one shot that thing. GM gets statued. It's just the dead body of the Juubi.
Bullshit, Garp can compete with the power which shocks several islands with casual quake attacks.
Madara's perfect susanoo is objectively weaker than that. You cant tell me his attacks impacted the surroundings on such a large scale like that. Then there is Mihawk who is - at the very least - related to Shanks and Kaido (I'll totally avoid to say who of them is stronger than the other one because I know people will start arguing about that nonsense, lol).
How's versatility gonna do much when he gets kicked at the speed of light or living volcanos get thrown at his face, the entire battlefield being turned into ice (wait, is Kuzan even part of it) or someone constantly dropping meteors at him while someone who can punch islands away with ACoC attacks will keep on hitting Madara or someone who swings his sword and accidentally cuts an ice berg which dwarfs an island? You underestimate the amount of versatility this group can bring to the tables. You also forget there's BB who can bfr Kurama and GM with his yami powers.
Once again, Madara's hax is limited to soul touch and fuinjutsu which - depend on the fuinjutsu - won't even work on logia users due to elemental intangibility. Madara's limbo is the real tricky one I guess but it's nearly not enough to knock everyone out like that. I mean, OP characters have very high endurance.
Kizaru is literally the light man.
We've seen with Luffy vs Kizaru that top tiers can match Kizaru's LS in close combat (ie Luffy dodging several light beams in the middle of attacking Kizaru) and this is not just due to CoO.
Btw, what should that panel even mean?
1.) Madara is clearly far weaker than Rinne Sasuke.
2.) Madara is not a top tier.
3.) OP top tiers are not bijuus who are weak to mind control.
Bruh
1.) Madara needs to grab them.
2.) Their souls are getting pulled out.
3.) Madara would have to catch those souls, put it into that creature to have his jutsu successful.
You think they won't do shit when they see such a creature in front of them and their souls popping out of their body?
They have enough opportunities to evade such things. Barrier Haki is a force field which can prevent such things.
I'm telling you Haki can cancel certain hax.
By the way, Law has the ability to switch souls, isn't that right. Now tell me, if he was about to use this ability on Kaido/Big Mom on the rooftop, would it even work? Or would it fail like his spatial hax?
Madara needs to look them into the eyes for his genjutsus...
Fujitora is also blind, so good luck.
Well see above. It's not an instant kill.
They still have a certain window to prevent that.
You did not just say each Warlord get randomly fodderized by a soul dragon from a chakra-less Gedo Mazo lol...
Doflamingo will be done with that thing before the soul dragon can catch him.
- Already adressed above.
- Already adressed above.
- Which fuinjutsus? Also, this is such a shallow argument. I can also just say "Kizaru can blitz Madara in multiple ways" or "Mihawk slices Madara in 1000 pieces" without considering the fact that Madara needs to engage in combat with them to seal their bodies in the first place. Madara is the one who gets anal penetrated.
Bro, even 5 top tiers would be enough.
Even 3 would be enough.
It's complete insanity to believe Madara fodderizes +10 characters who can easily match his own power and have preventative abilities against some of his haxes.
Warlords are weaker than Madara but they are not complete fodders.
They are enough for Kurama and GM.
I believe one of the admirals make short work on either of those two.
One of their equals froze entire oceans with ease. You don't seem to get the gap between Kurama and OP top tiers. At least with Kurama who has no host.
This is nonsense; most of their techniques can affect entire islands.
You make it way too convenient for Madara. Even Mihawk, who has swordskills but no hax, showed range which dwarfs an island like MF.
???
So? The tailed beasts are still way weaker than your average One Piece top tier; they're even less tanky.
I guess this is a valid argument since Madara's clones operate from a different dimension. OP has yet to show they can sense or hit things from other dimensions. Also, you forget Madara has like 2 ringo clones without Juubi. They all cannot keep +10 powerhouses at bay. Can they even successfully track Kizaru? He's still pure light and faster than the guy who even blitzed Juudara a few times.
I am extremely generous even debating about round 3. There is simply no way Madara beats a small army of characters all on his own who can also end Madara's life with 1 - 3 powerful moves max. When Akainu's hits connect, Madara will lose limps. Mihawk's lethality is also a death sentence for Madara if it successfully connects.
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One powerful Ryuo slash and these mokuton clones (they cannot even use perfect susanoo) are gone... Madara needs better jutsus to beat Mihawk - not with these techniques which were used on the fodder kages.
The tail beast are less tankier? Tail beast literally eat bijuu bombs lol. You think those top tiers are tanking those with ease?
Madara's 2 ringo clones were blitzing the entire battle field
Who's slower than lightspeed? Gai was bending space time so he's faster, Sasuke and Naruto in the Naruto canon were faster than lightspeed. So who is it again that Juubidara is slower?
Susano > Magma, so when is Akainu connecting again?
Madara is a tank + endurance merchant
The numbers don't matter when they can be wiped out seconds into the battle. Genjutsu, Ringo clones, Gedo Mazo, Meteors etc.
Madara's 2 ringo clones were blitzing the entire battle field
Who's slower than lightspeed? Gai was bending space time so he's faster, Sasuke and Naruto in the Naruto canon were faster than lightspeed. So who is it again that Juubidara is slower?
Susano > Magma, so when is Akainu connecting again?
Madara is a tank + endurance merchant
The numbers don't matter when they can be wiped out seconds into the battle. Genjutsu, Ringo clones, Gedo Mazo, Meteors etc.
Zoro no sold an explosion on comparable level.
How does it matter when One Piece top tiers move faster?
Plus, there are two characters who cannot be physically touched either way.
You can see in the same panel how those few hits messed up Madara's body that much already - and each of these bijuus do not nearly hit as hard as One Piece top tiers.
Yes, the numbers do matter when the enemies are on a comparable level to Madara; most of them are even faster than Madara or at least on his level speed-wise (I'm extremely generous here because One Piece has lots of high speed feats). You cannot expect Madara to walk scratch free when he's facing such a powerful force all on his own.
1.) I already addressed it above.
2.) ringo clones are a legit argument like I said above but again, it's still two of them vs opponents who are tanky enough to tank dozens of their punches.
3.) One shot factor from both sides (Gedo Mazo from his soul dragons and all OP top tiers but the latter have the speed advantage so Gedo Mazo is seriously done here).
4.) meteors get easily destroyed by a top tier.
How does it matter when One Piece top tiers move faster?
Plus, there are two characters who cannot be physically touched either way.
- There is no proof Gai was bending space time with his speed
- Plus, his Evening Elephant sure wasn't bending space and he still blitzed Madara
- Naruto and Sasuke move faster than light in what canon? Even if they do, it's most likely their god tier versions which are completely irrelevant to Rinnegan Madara (plus, either of those two shitstomp Madara).
You can see in the same panel how those few hits messed up Madara's body that much already - and each of these bijuus do not nearly hit as hard as One Piece top tiers.
Yes, the numbers do matter when the enemies are on a comparable level to Madara; most of them are even faster than Madara or at least on his level speed-wise (I'm extremely generous here because One Piece has lots of high speed feats). You cannot expect Madara to walk scratch free when he's facing such a powerful force all on his own.
1.) I already addressed it above.
2.) ringo clones are a legit argument like I said above but again, it's still two of them vs opponents who are tanky enough to tank dozens of their punches.
3.) One shot factor from both sides (Gedo Mazo from his soul dragons and all OP top tiers but the latter have the speed advantage so Gedo Mazo is seriously done here).
4.) meteors get easily destroyed by a top tier.
- Fujitora drops meteors whilst eating ramen.
- The same Fujitora dropped some meteors which had similar size of the Flower Hill in Dressrosa, a large mountain.
- Mihawk is there, Akainu is there, Garp is there, Doflamingo is also there (his bird cage cut several of those mountain sized meteors).