Versus Battle Madara Uchiha VS The World Government

[TheAncientCenturion]

Yeah, don't forget Madara can teleport himself with the Limbo Clones to avoid damage. And Madara has the same physical abilities (being able to toss bijuu aside) as the limbo clones.

One powerful Ryuo slash and these mokuton clones (they cannot even use perfect susanoo) are gone... Madara needs better jutsus to beat Mihawk - not with these techniques which were used on the fodder kages.

It's entirely possible for a mokuton clone to use Level 4 or possibly Perfect Susano'o.

Perfect Susano'o is not exhausting for Madara by any means and Madara implies Hashirama's mokuton clones would be much stronger if he weren't focused on the juubi.

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Even if he can't manifest a perfect Susano'o, he'll be able to dish out 2/3 level 4's.

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The same level of Susano'o that tanked a point blank bijuu bomb. (Evidenced by the fact Madara is no worse for wear post bijuu bomb rasengan* attack)

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[RyumaZoro]

Isn’t fuji just enough ? He actually is the worst match up madara can get …

 

[Sentinel]

Yeah, don't forget Madara can teleport himself with the Limbo Clones to avoid damage. And Madara has the same physical abilities (being able to toss bijuu aside) as the limbo clones.

It's all about reaction speed. If he can react on time while several characters are on his butt, he sure can do that.
I also didn't say Madara won't have the same physical abilities as the limbo/ringo/whatever clones but tossing bijuus away or tossing Akainu, Fujitora, Garp, etc. away are two different levels of difficulty. If bijuus are normal/mid difficulty, tossing admirals, Garp, Kong or Mihawk away is hardcore difficulty.

Btw, I've seen that info with the limbo clones.
What does the last paragraph mean with "When facing an opponent in melee, the shadow will stay out of the body, however, after a while, it needs to return"? So are limbo clones actually limited in moving freely? It has been a while since I read Naruto, so feel free to correct me about that.

It's entirely possible for a mokuton clone to use Level 4 or possibly Perfect Susano'o.

I highly doubt that to be honest.

My reason: Edo Madara, despite being weaker than Madara, still had the advantage of having a near unlimited fuel of chakra. Edo tensei users can never run out of chakra iirc, yet Madara still only performed level 3 Susanoo's on his mokuton clones (can I even say level 3? Madara's susanoo is completely different to the other versions, only EMS Sasuke's similar).

Perfect Susano'o is not exhausting for Madara by any means and Madara implies Hashirama's mokuton clones would be much stronger if he weren't focused on the juubi.

Sure, but it is a whole different topic if Hashirama's mokuton clones would be much stronger if it wasn't for Juubi and Madara's Mokuton clones performing level 4 if not perfect Susanoo's, you know? Maybe, just maybe, he can give some clones level 4 Susanoo but I doubt it's for everyone.

The same level of Susano'o that tanked a point blank bijuu bomb.

Sure but only because it can tank a mountain busting attack doesn't mean it would also tank OP top tier attacks. A lot of them hit harder than mountain level.

Garp was using mountains as punching bags in training. He also overpowered an attack which split an ice island (I highly doubt it is the size of a real continent tbh) just with hardening. Kuzan (weaker than Akainu) froze the entire ocean. Fujitora drops mountain sized meteors very casually. Lifted all rubble of Dressrosa and formed these into a large object which was comparable to Dressrosa, a small country (heck, Pica's entire half of his golem was just a very very small part of that).

Madara has to face these kind of characters.

Also, do you believe any admiral is weaker than Law, Kidd or even Big Mom (who took a lot of hits, including Puncture Wille which is just broken af in comparison to the techniques which Madara can dish out)? If not, Madara has to face those guys. He also has to face Mihawk, Garp, Akainu, Sengoku and Kong.

 

[Roo]

Zoro no sold an explosion on comparable level.

LMAO

1. Zoro said he used haki, and if he didn't he would've died

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2. The explosion is no where near the scale of a biju bomb

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How does it matter when One Piece top tiers move faster?
Plus, there are two characters who cannot be physically touched either way.

It matters because as fast as One Piece Characters are, Ringo clones can still clear distances without them knowing.

Also Madara literally dodges FTL attacks. He's above light speed with no rinnegan lol

• There is no proof Gai was bending space time with his speed
  • Plus, his Evening Elephant sure wasn't bending space and he still blitzed Madara

Naruto and Sasuke move FTL and Madara was able to keep up with them, 8 Gates guy definitely scales faster. Night Guy bent space time>> LT

• Naruto and Sasuke move faster than light in what canon? Even if they do, it's most likely their god tier versions which are completely irrelevant to Rinnegan Madara (plus, either of those two shitstomp Madara).

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This attack is canonically above light speed, and Naruto and Sasuke dodge and react to it with ease

Also you said Juubidara doesnt scale to FTL not me lol

Susanoo is stronger in what?

in terms of defense, Mei Temuri cant do shit against a Susanoo

You can see in the same panel how those few hits messed up Madara's body that much already - and each of these bijuus do not nearly hit as hard as One Piece top tiers.
Yes, the numbers do matter when the enemies are on a comparable level to Madara; most of them are even faster than Madara or at least on his level speed-wise (I'm extremely generous here because One Piece has lots of high speed feats). You cannot expect Madara to walk scratch free when he's facing such a powerful force all on his own.

but they're not faster, and Madara himself at this point is FTL. The only threat is Kizaru who could cross the battlefield to attack him, but Madara could see him coming and just put him under a genjutsu

You're also forgetting that Madara can literally clone himself multiple times with not much chakra tax. Plus all his clones have his abilties like Susanoo and what not.

1.) I already addressed it above.
2.) ringo clones are a legit argument like I said above but again, it's still two of them vs opponents who are tanky enough to tank dozens of their punches.
3.) One shot factor from both sides (Gedo Mazo from his soul dragons and all OP top tiers but the latter have the speed advantage so Gedo Mazo is seriously done here).
4.) meteors get easily destroyed by a top tier.

• Fujitora drops meteors whilst eating ramen.
• The same Fujitora dropped some meteors which had similar size of the Flower Hill in Dressrosa, a large mountain.
• Mihawk is there, Akainu is there, Garp is there, Doflamingo is also there (his bird cage cut several of those mountain sized meteors).

In 1vs1 setting, these abilities are sure a guarantee to send OP top tiers to Jesus but not when it's +10 of these fuckers, lol.

2. Ringo clones are doing what Shiryu did to Garp but worse and at a larger scale. Characters won't be able to defend themselves and would lose their heads since they can't anticipate the attacks.

Remember OP top tiers are still vulnerable to cheap shots, even when they come from no name/no haki attacks,

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It's literally doesn't take much to KO/Kill a vulnerable One Piece character.

3. Sentinel look at how ridiculous you're sounding right now. All these people will have to deal with.

* Ringo Clones
* Wood Clones
* Soul Dragons
* Meteors raining from the sky

and while the main target is sitting pretty in a giant suit of armor?
4. Madara can spam them, Fuji can't. Plus the point is to weed out the weaker tiers

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

What does the last paragraph mean with "When facing an opponent in melee, the shadow will stay out of the body, however, after a while, it needs to return"? So are limbo clones actually limited in moving freely? It has been a while since I read Naruto, so feel free to correct me about that.

They cannot act independently forever. After a period of time, they are forced to return to Madara, unlike traditional clones.

I highly doubt that to be honest.

My reason: Edo Madara, despite being weaker than Madara, still had the advantage of having a near unlimited fuel of chakra. Edo tensei users can never run out of chakra iirc, yet Madara still only performed level 3 Susanoo's on his mokuton clones (can I even say level 3? Madara's susanoo is completely different to the other versions, only EMS Sasuke's similar).

Madara also made 25 clones—splitting his chakra minimum 25 times—then used susano'o up to a legged version 3 form.

I don't know why it'd be unrealistic to see Madara make 2 or 3 and have them use higher versions.

And regarding infinite chakra, with shadow clones, you split your chakra evenly between yourself and the clone, limiting what you can do. Mokuton clones aren't a 1 | 1 with shadow clones but the fact is, his pool of chakra wouldn't be as high post-cloning. And with Hashirama, it's implied he has to manually set how much "power" (chakra) he's giving them.

Sure but only because it can tank a mountain busting attack doesn't mean it would also tank OP top tier attacks. A lot of them hit harder than mountain level.

Definitely, but if a V4 can face tank a mountain busting attack, it means a perfect susano'os upper limits are ridiculously higher.

And all this happening while 4 invisible, unable to be blocked or coherently sensed Madara clones hammer the assembled cast.

 

[Owari Da]

They beat any version of mads but stop at Jubiidara. That form is a hack and stomps the whole op verse.