General Mafia General Chat

[AL sama]

I have a game in the pipe and it will be a game that will have vanilla. But the past two days I wasn't able to continue on it, because of the popcorn drama here. But I will be done once Cake's game is over.

just use chatGTP

 

[CakeWalker]

town rarely wins - if I get to end game lol
neither does mafia, as well...

 

[Natalija]

the survival mentality is people only caring about their own survival over the greater good of town winning, and as such, they tend to omgus people voting for them instead of well... thoughtfully solve the game

it often happens when they have a strong role so they just want to use it at night at the expense of caring much about what happens during the day, aka in SRM. the many SRMs we had in a row made that very common to see

Eh OMGUS reactions are physiologically sound from a town POV. Obviously you're going to think scum is piling on you, not all, but some. And they will most of the times.

Ya, there are ability junkies, but everyone is allowed to like games for their own reasons.

 

[Rej]

Did that really divert you from doing your own thing?

yes lol

 

[Natalija]

yes lol

But why

 

[Rej]

But why

mafia attention span lol

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Eh OMGUS reactions are physiologically sound from a town POV. Obviously you're going to think scum is piling on you, not all, but some. And they will most of the times.

Ya, there are ability junkies, but everyone is allowed to like games for their own reasons.

it depends on if its warranted or not, most people suspecting a player will be town. using omgus to save is like a 20% chance of getting lucky. it mostly ends in silly town v town because of it because each town wants their own survival and can't see beyond the person suspecting them

 

[osieorb18]

by that logic most things can be considered angle shooting

personally I'll never consider truth tells as angle shooting no matter what anyone says

Actually, I'm curious. You're one of a few people who have said that you consider trust tells to be acceptable. Why?

Would you consider any out-of-game promise to be acceptable as long as it doesn't strictly violate another rule? What would be unacceptable, if anything?

 

[osieorb18]

I never made any promises. There is a difference between voicing an intention of never breaking it and a promise that you won't ever break it.

At which point you wouldn't call it a trust tell. I mean, we can quibble over the use of the word promise, or agreement, or declaration of intent, but in the end you're setting up a contract that you have agreed not to break that is not specifically within the confines of the game.

 

[Natalija]

it depends on if its warranted or not, most people suspecting a player will be town. using omgus to save is like a 20% chance of getting lucky. it mostly ends in silly town v town because of it because each town wants their own survival and can't see beyond the person suspecting them

It's human nature to doubt, and it's the game's nature as well. I'm not saying every single person should be doubted, I'm saying that from a townie POV, OMGUS paranoia is mostly normal.

 

[Natalija]

And, it's not like town vs town doesn't happen all the time, everywhere, no matter the situation

 

[osieorb18]

I never made any promises. There is a difference between voicing an intention of never breaking it and a promise that you won't ever break it.

Like, a trust tell is explicitly an agreement made outside of the game to behave a certain way across games, on the stake of your personal reputation outside of the game. It's explicitly bringing something outside the game into the game, and something that at least seems to have emotional weight to you.

As I was including earlier, I don't think less of you for it. I don't have a personal stake with you. But if the community is okay with trust tells, that greatly reduces my interest in considering it as an option for a place to play again. And that seems to also be the same for others. That's not about you personally, but about what style of game people want to play.

 

[osieorb18]

terrible argument

Why?

 

[Natalija]

Like, a trust tell is explicitly an agreement made outside of the game to behave a certain way across games, on the stake of your personal reputation outside of the game. It's explicitly bringing something outside the game into the game, and something that at least seems to have emotional weight to you.

As I was including earlier, I don't think less of you for it. I don't have a personal stake with you. But if the community is okay with trust tells, that greatly reduces my interest in considering it as an option for a place to play again. And that seems to also be the same for others. That's not about you personally, but about what style of game people want to play.

AH you played the FMA game three years ago. Play again

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

It's human nature to doubt, and it's the game's nature as well. I'm not saying every single person should be doubted, I'm saying that from a townie POV, OMGUS paranoia is mostly normal.

its not normal when u r omgusing most of your voters, it becomes irrational and doesnt help your voters see you better either

And, it's not like town vs town doesn't happen all the time, everywhere, no matter the situation

ofcourse town v town happens, but it isnt always rooted in omgus and seeing only whats in front of you

a townie making a case on another townie, then the other townie makes a case back and both arrive at each other being scum normally happens, and is normally resolved or shelfed if they both address each other's cases

but a townie suspecting a player for some wack reasons only because it isnt themselves, then the other player decides to omgus is a town vs town built on omgus. we have much more of this than the first scenario

 

[osieorb18]

truth tells is nothing more than a cheep play

cheap isn't cheating nor is angle shooting

I could say the same about posting an image that I claim to be a screenshot of my role PM.

 

[AL sama]

Actually, I'm curious. You're one of a few people who have said that you consider trust tells to be acceptable. Why?

Would you consider any out-of-game promise to be acceptable as long as it doesn't strictly violate another rule? What would be unacceptable, if anything?

lets say I suddenly swear upon my loved ones to prove myself in a game

would consider that angle shooting or rather just a cheap play??

I would never consider truth tells cheating

I might punish players for doing it depending on the situation cause its too cheap of play

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

its not normal when u r omgusing most of your voters, it becomes irrational and doesnt help your voters see you better either

i halfy take the last part of this back, because it became soo much of a meta and common occurence to the point that some people are read town because they omgus

 

[osieorb18]

AH you played the FMA game three years ago. Play again

I'm retired but maybe.

 

[osieorb18]

lets say I suddenly swear upon my loved ones to prove myself in a game

would consider that angle shooting or rather just a cheap play??

I would never consider truth tells cheating

I might punish players for doing it depending on the situation cause its too cheap of play

Angleshooting. Absolutely. As I would posting a picture of myself with a baby to excuse low activity. (Seen that happen.)