Versus Battle Maki vs Jogo

Who wins?

  • Jogo

    Votes: 6 23.1%

  • Extreme

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • High

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • Mid

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Low

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Neg

    Votes: 2 7.7%

  • Maki

    Votes: 13 50.0%

  • Extreme

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • High

    Votes: 6 23.1%

  • Mid

    Votes: 9 34.6%

  • Low

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • Neg

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Total voters
    26
EmperorKinyagi

EmperorKinyagi

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#81
#81
Shiroyru said:
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No they don’t lol. That would mean that landing a BF would actually NERF their punch lol. Even Gege acknowledged that a CE unit of 1 doesn’t make much sense
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No it wouldn’t nerf their punch, you just readjust the units so that you can do exponentiation.

That’s how it works in real life too, did you think physics equations that take the exponential of mass make it less when you input say .2 grams 😂
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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#82
#82
EmperorKinyagi said:
No it wouldn’t nerf their punch, you just readjust the units so that you can do exponentiation.

That’s how it works in real life too, did you think physics equations that take the exponential of mass make it less when you input say .2 grams 😂
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???

Since when does Gege use the metric system to measure CE output? There’s literally no reason to believe that the CE units that Gege was talking about in that interview aren’t measured in the lowest quantifiable way. 1 unit of CE is the Planck output of CE
 
EmperorKinyagi

EmperorKinyagi

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#83
#83
Shiroyru said:
???

Since when does Gege use the metric system to measure CE output? There’s literally no reason to believe that the CE units that Gege was talking about in that interview aren’t measured in the lowest quantifiable way. 1 unit of CE is the Planck output of CE
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???????

Huh? There’s no reason to assume he meant the lowest possible quantification either dafuq
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Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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#84
#84
EmperorKinyagi said:
???????

Huh? There’s no reason to assume he meant the lowest possible quantification either dafuq
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Let’s take a more conceptual approach to this.

Let’s imagine that a sorcerer imbues their fist with the lowest possible amount of CE, and then manages to land a BF. Do you think it would make any logical sense for activating a BF to actually nerf that punch?
 
EmperorKinyagi

EmperorKinyagi

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#85
#85
Shiroyru said:
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Let’s take a more conceptual approach to this.

Let’s imagine that a sorcerer imbues their fist with the lowest possible amount of CE, and then manages to land a BF. Do you think it would make any logical sense for activating a BF to actually nerf that punch?
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I already explained to you that it wouldnt??

EmperorKinyagi said:
No it wouldn’t nerf their punch, you just readjust the units so that you can do exponentiation.

That’s how it works in real life too, did you think physics equations that take the exponential of mass make it less when you input say .2 grams 😂
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A CE punch from a grade 2 sorcerer with 0.2 could have a black flash value of 0.4 (if you readjust the of the base before exponentiation - say to 2) just like you do in real life lmao
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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#88
#88
Linyagi, you do understand that a square meter is equivalent to 10,000 square centimeters instead of 100, right? Adjusting the units doesn’t change anything lol
 
EmperorKinyagi

EmperorKinyagi

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#92
#92
@Shiroyru There is a difference between (x^2) meters which gives you another quantity in meters and (x meters) ^2 which gives you a different unit.



Black flash is the former since both black flash and non-black flash are both impact force (a quantity that doesn't actually exist btw).
 
EmperorKinyagi

EmperorKinyagi

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#93
#93
@Shiroyru I'll admit that if we analyze carefully, black flash makes no fucking sense.

BUT that doesn't change the fact that Sukuna's black flashes are demonstrably FAR weaker than they would be if he were remotely close to 10 fingers of strength.
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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#94
#94
EmperorKinyagi said:
You get 4 meters, you don't get 4 m^2 since that's a different unit.

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Lol, if you raise a value with units to a power, the units get raised to that power too. That’s how literally every physics equation with an exponent works lol.

Even more proof that Gege’s exponent rule is nonsense. If you multiply something by a constant, the units don’t change. If you raise it to a power, the units change
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EmperorKinyagi said:
@Shiroyru There is a difference between (x^2) meters which gives you another quantity in meters and (x meters) ^2 which gives you a different unit.



Black flash is the former since both black flash and non-black flash are both impact force (a quantity that doesn't actually exist btw).
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They would be the latter, tf you talking about. You were literally just talking a few posts ago about changing the units of CE
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EmperorKinyagi said:
@Shiroyru I'll admit that if we analyze carefully, black flash makes no fucking sense.

BUT that doesn't change the fact that Sukuna's black flashes are demonstrably FAR weaker than they would be if he were remotely close to 10 fingers of strength.
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Even 3 finger Sukuna’s CE output would be so crazy high that first grades should be blown to pieces from a BF. There’s no consistency whatsoever. BF just makes the attack stronger by a vaguely large amount
 
EmperorKinyagi

EmperorKinyagi

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#95
#95
Shiroyru said:
Lol, if you raise a value with units to a power, the units get raised to that power too. That’s how literally every physics equation with an exponent works lol.

Even more proof that Gege’s exponent rule is nonsense. If you multiply something by a constant, the units don’t change. If you raise it to a power, the units change
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They would be the latter, tf you talking about. You were literally just talking a few posts ago about changing the units of CE
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Even 3 finger Sukuna’s CE output would be so crazy high that first grades should be blown to pieces from a BF. There’s no consistency whatsoever. BF just makes the attack stronger by a vaguely large amount
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I meant change the units as in use different units when black flash goes below 1 so you don’t get it becoming weaker (idk man lol)
 
T

ThePurple

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#96
#96
EmperorKinyagi said:
They agree or disagree all they want, black flash works the way that black flash works.

A CE reinforced punched from 10F Sukuna that creates a black flash is equivalent to a CE reinforced punch from 316F Sukuna.

Argue with the math all you want
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Black Flash multiplies the punch itself, and, beyond the bare minimum to throw a 100% reinforced punch, the punch isn't actually dependent on Sukuna's CE pool, which is what the fingers increase. The punches are dependent most heavily on CE output (for reinforcement specifically) and there's no reason to believe 1 finger Sukuna for example doesn't have the CE pool to put 100% of his CE output into a punch. The actual CE poured into punches is peanuts for everyone. So a black flash from 10 finger Sukuna isn't actually as strong as a punch from 360 fingers; A punch from 10 Fingers Sukuna is already as strong as a punch from a 316-fingered Sukuna. 2 Fingers Sukuna for example could already toss Megumi into the skyline, but 20 Fingers Sukuna isn't ever gonna throw someone into space because it doesn't scale like that. What Sukuna's fingers have the most bearing on are his gas to fight and his cursed technique abilities, which he can pour a lot more CE into than punches.
 
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