General & Others Marineford War(Mini Version)

[Uncle Van]

This version doesnt have any scans as my CPU crashed, some files were corrupted and some of those files contained most of the pics I've gathered.....about 70 pics that needs to be saved, cropped and combined a 2nd time. Instead of cancelling all plans, I decided to post this version in a chapter by chapter format so that you can see finally find the scans yourself if anything sounds off.

The Marineford War....one of the most misinterpreted and misunderstood battles in the history of OP. We shall be going chapter by chapter and listing all of the important and interesting details to see which side was truly stronger. i shall list the all of the nerfs and buffs the Marines & WBP had at the end of the thread.



Chapter 552
-Sengoku says they have the better numbers but WB could still end them.
-WB causes a Tsunami

Chapter 553
-WB causes a tsunami by flexing
-Aokiji freezes it and takes a quake punch without injury.
-Aokiji freezes the ocean and makes some footing for everyone to fight on.
-Mihawk launches a slash at WB but its blocked by Jozu. Jozu has brusies after the block
-Kizaru attacks WB but its blocked by Marco, who heals from it.
-The WBP runs to the frontlines while WB REMAINS ON THE SHIP, not attacking anyone



Chapter 554
-Marco kicks Kizaru but walks away without a scratch
-Jozu tosses an iceberg at the platform(with Ace on it with seastone no less)
-Akainu proves that the admirlas were supposed to play defense by defending the platform and destroys the iceberg with Great Eruption. The attacks splits apart and lands on the pirates and their ships.

Chapter 555
-Oars opens a path to the bay
-Hancock attacks Marines
-Oars is quickly taken out by the Shichibukai

Chapter 556
-WB one shots VA Ronse. The first notable marine beaten.
-Mingo makes Atmos fight his own men
-Akainu is seen talking to a deserter, NOT ATTACKING ANY WBP.

Chapter 557
-Luffy, Crocodile, Jinbe, Ivankov and Buggy(and Mr 3 and Bones) enter the battle. I'll have all of their names bolded from now on for good reason.
-Marco is seen with bruises, showing the Marines' strength in numbers does make a difference.
-Jinbe, someone is supposed to helping the marines, announces that he is helping WBP instead.

Chapter 558
-Ivankov saves Luffy from Kizaru's massive laser, as move that was only used once in the war.
-Luffy has trouble against marine fodder, saying that they're all tough, once again showing a fodder's worth in numbers.
-Jinbe stops Moriahs zombies and temporarily takes him out in 559.

Chapter 559
-Iva is seen with bruises. Fodder always does work
-Buggy is recognized as WB's equal
-Shichibukai fight each other(Jinbe and Moriah). Marines mention they cant have the warlords taking each other out.
-Smoker captures Luffy but Hancock saves him, once again betraying the marines.

Chapter 560
-Its revealed that Kuma lost his independence. One of the warlords could not fight at his full strength.
-Croc is seen attacking WBP, forcing Jozu to step in.
-Iva holds off Kuma and tells Luffy to run ahead

Chapter 561
-Mihawk decides to test Luffy's fate instead of killing him outright
-Mingo has Jozu helpless. Instead of attacking him, Croc and Mingo have a disagreement.
-Vista stops Mihawk from attacking Luffy
-The marines unveil the pacifistas, who were hidden away in their hometurf.

Chapter 562
-WBP are getting overwhelmed by the Pacifistas, all according to the Marines' superior tactics
-POSTPOOOOOONEMEEEEEEENT!!!!(Mihawk JoNudles Vista)
-Squadro attacks WB

Chapter 563
-Akainu and Sengoku tricked Squadro into stabbing WB, showing psychological warfare at its finest. Ita a point for the marines as they can turn enemies against each other and almost severed the WBP morale.

Chapter 564
-Battle reaches a turning point as WB joins the battle(Garp and Sengoku have yet to make a move)
-The Marines' strategy is delayed as Aokiji's ice hinders it
-WB takes out John Giant. The 2nd notable marine to be beaten.
-The admirals leaves the battle to defend the platform from WB's quake punches, returning to their original posts.
-The admirals then watch the battle, not participating.
-The Siege Wall rises and Akainu takes out pirates and their ships with Meteor Volcano

Chapter 565
-The wall shoots down pirates and is resistant to quake punches. Marines arent even needed at this point.
-Oars' body is in the way, preventing the Marines' plan from going smoothly.
-Jinbe and Iva help Luffy reach the platform.


Chapter 566
-Crocodile saves Ace and fights the marines
-Marco saves Luffy from Aokiji
-Oars, who the marines thought was dead, helps the WBP reach the platform. Plot.

Chapter 567
-Aokiji quickly gets the better of WB and is seconds from drawing blood before he is stopped by Jozu(and gets a bloody lip from a nameless punch)
-Luffy is completely taken out by marines and Kizaru simply kicks Luffy towards WB instead of killing him.
-Akainu stops WB's attack with one leg and tells him to stop destroying the city, showing that the marines are trying to avoid collateral damage to their turf.
-With the admirals engaged in battle, Garp becomes the new defender of the platform and punches Marco, brusing him.

Chapter 568
-Akaini once again tells WB to stop destroying the city as WB swipes away his magma attack
-WBP starts taking out Pacifistas
-Buggy gets unfrozen. Forgot to mention the Aokiji froze Buggy earlier but didnt kill him for some reason. Plot
-WB gets a heart allows which allows Akainu to punch a hole in his chest with a nameless attack.
-The distraction causes Jozu to get his arm frozen.
-Marco gets shot by Kizaru.
-Iva injects Luffy with more hormones

Chapter 569
-Hancock saves Luffy from getting blasted by a Pacifista and takes it out.
-Kizaru admits that took Marco too lightly and he gets handcuffed by Onigumo..and shot again(what is this Detroit?)
-Jozu failed to stop Aokiji from one shotting him with a nameless move.
-Instead of attacking WB some more, Akainu steps back to allow fodder to attack WB. More plot.
-Luffy saves Ace using COC

Chapter 570
-Marco is still down
-All attention is taken away from WB and onto Luffy, with WB giving the order to support Luffy.
-Bones and Crocodile saves Luffy from Mihawk
-Sentomaru calls out Hancock and reveales that she destroyed many Pacifistas. Sentomaru also has,brusied, showing Hancock attacking him too(what the hell Hancock....)
-Inuzuma creates a path to Ace
-Garp confronts Luffy

Chapter 571
-Garp stops at the last minute and allows Luffy to hit him.
-Kizaru holds down WB's bisento and shots a laser through WB
-Mr3 frees Ace from his handcuffs

Chapter 572
-Luffy and Ace start wiping out fodder
-Ace matches Aokiji's attack
-WB realizes that the WBP will be wiped out if he doesnt stay behind.

Chapter 573
-Sengoku and Garp are getting ready to fight WB
-Akainu once again shows psychological warfare and kills Ace

Chapter 574
-Mr 3 frees Marco
-Marco and Vista saves Jinbe from Akainu. Their attacks do nothing
-Luffy faints

Chapter 575
-Marco blocks Akainu's nameless punch without injury.
-Via sneak attack, WB hits Akainu with 2 quake punches but loses half his face. Plot doesnt save Akainu here but WB, as it'll be explained later.
-BB arrives

Chapter 576
-WB is so weak that he couldn't follow up with a 2nd quake punchs before the WB pirates shopts him up.
-The Legend Dies

Chapter 577
-Aokiji prevents pirates from escaping
-Akainu returns to the battle and is stated that he wasn't beaten
-Iva saves Jinbe and Luffy from Akainu
-BB steals WB's powers and attacks the marines. Another warlord fighting against them

Chapter 578
-Sengoku fights BB.
-Akainu takes out Iva and Inuzuma.
-Akainu catches up to Jinbe and punches a hole in him.
-Crocodile saves Luffy and Jinbe
-Buggy saves Luffy and Jinbe
-Marco and the WBP confront and fight Akainu

Chapter 579
-Marines are ordered to split into two groups for BB and the WBP but half of them dont make it to BB
-Akainu is making progress and takes out Curiel
-Law gets Luffy and Jinbe
-Coby distracts Akainu
-Red God arrives by blocking Akaini's nameless punch.

Chapter 580
-Beckman makes Kizaru put his hands up
-Law escapes Kizaru and Aokiji by pure luck
-Sengoku allows the war to end



Whitebeard Pirates
Nerfs
-WB was sick which gave him heart attacks
-WB's heart attacks distracted his men which led to some of them being taken out
-Battle on the enemies' turf and made them vunerable to surprises

Buffs
-Impel Down Team
-the admirals couldnt go all out without destroying their hometurf.
-Marines' allies betrayed them left n' right

The Marines
Nerfs
-Strongest force couldnt go all out
-Sengoku and Garp stayed on the sidelines
-Shichibukai fought against them
-Ally Shichibukai were nerfed
-Constant outside interference assistanting the WBP

Buffs
-WB was sick
-Element of surprise with home field advantage

Result
The Marines, despite all of their handicaps and the plot being against them at almost every turn, still achieved a one sided victory.

The Impel Down team were the main players of the MF war and simply delayed the WBP's defeat.

@Admiral Lee Hung @Shiroyru @Jo_Ndule @King7 @MarineHQ62

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

-Via sneak attack, WB hits Akainu with 2 quake punches but loses half his face. Plot doesnt save Akainu here but WB, as it'll be explained later.

Very much so. Whitebeard got lucky as hell. Akainu still had a ton of fight in him, and Whitebeard was at death’s door. +Akainu’s blows are far more deadly than Whitebeard’s.

 

[Shiroyru]

You’re underselling the nerfs that WB’s sickness brought imo.

WB’s sickness lowered his physical stats
WB’s sickness removed his CoO and CoC (he got headaches from trying to use it) and probably also nerfed his CoA. This means that WB’s Haki was a shell of its former self.
WB’s sickness gave him a heart attack, which let Akainu put a magma-filled hole in his chest, which obviously made him drop off even quicker
WB’s sickness led to Marco and Jozu, his 2 best men, to be removed from the war, with Marco only getting freed after Ace’s death.

Pretty much every time that something bad happened to the WBP, it was attributed to his sickness. Squardo stab? Sickness removed his CoO. Heart attack / Akainu magma hole? Sickness. Marco/Jozu getting removed from the war? Sickness distracted them and left them wide open (btw it’s worth noting that Aokiji was the worst Admiral for Jozu to fight since Aokiji’s freezing ignores Jozu’s diamond durability). WB not being able to finish off BB? Sickness/injuries mostly caused by his sickness. It’s also very likely that Akainu would have not landed Meigo if it weren’t for WB’s sickness removing his CoO. WB had already partially dodged it despite having no CoO and worsened reflexes.

Based off of this, I think that Oda was trying to show us that WB was a shell of his former self. If it was Primebeard or WB without his sickness at MF, then let’s just say that Sengoku’s words might have some merit.

Very much so. Whitebeard got lucky as hell. Akainu still had a ton of fight in him, and Whitebeard was at death’s door. +Akainu’s blows are far more deadly than Whitebeard’s.

Never read a story where a villain falls down an abyss while yelling “Damn you!” and the villain is somehow the winner

Honestly I'd say that Akainu taking off a portion of WB's head was meant to hype up WB more than Akainu tbh. Oda didn't even have WB react at all to it. It seems like he just wanted to show that WB is so strong that he (while already heavily injured) can get a part of his head blown off and not even care about it.

 

[Uncle Van]

You’re underselling the nerfs that WB’s sickness brought imo.

WB’s sickness lowered his physical stats
WB’s sickness removed his CoO and CoC (he got headaches from trying to use it) and probably also nerfed his CoA. This means that WB’s Haki was a shell of its former self.
WB’s sickness gave him a heart attack, which let Akainu put a magma-filled hole in his chest, which obviously made him drop off even quicker
WB’s sickness led to Marco and Jozu, his 2 best men, to be removed from the war, with Marco only getting freed after Ace’s death.

Pretty much every time that something bad happened to the WBP, it was attributed to his sickness. Squardo stab? Sickness removed his CoO. Heart attack / Akainu magma hole? Sickness. Marco/Jozu getting removed from the war? Sickness distracted them and left them wide open (btw it’s worth noting that Aokiji was the worst Admiral for Jozu to fight since Aokiji’s freezing ignores Jozu’s diamond durability). WB not being able to finish off BB? Sickness/injuries mostly caused by his sickness. It’s also very likely that Akainu would have not landed Meigo if it weren’t for WB’s sickness removing his CoO. WB had already partially dodged it despite having no CoO and worsened reflexes.

Based off of this, I think that Oda was trying to show us that WB was a shell of his former self. If it was Primebeard or WB without his sickness at MF, then let’s just say that Sengoku’s words might have some merit.



Never read a story where a villain falls down an abyss whirl yelling “Damn you!” and the villain is somehow the winner

I knew you'd bring something regarding the WBP which is why I tagged you. And yes I completely that Marco and Jozu were beaten because of WB. I'll add that.

Judging from databooks approved by Oda, the only thing that WB's sickness weakened was his reflexes. Oda said his power and standing didnt decrease.

Primebeard was PK level...his sickness brought him down to standard yonko level but his heart attacks made him a bigger target. I say his sickness is balanced out by the Marines top tiers not going all out as well. Its 5 to 1.

 

[Shiroyru]

I knew you'd bring something regarding the WBP which is why I tagged you. And yes I completely that Marco and Jozu were beaten because of WB. I'll add that.

Judging from databooks approved by Oda, the only thing that WB's sickness weakened was his reflexes. Oda said his power and standing didnt decrease.

Primebeard was PK level...his sickness brought him down to standard yonko level but his heart attacks made him a bigger target. I say his sickness is balanced out by the Marines top tiers not going all out as well. Its 5 to 1.

I think he meant that WB's physical strength and stamina were still the same. Marco attributed WB getting stabbed by Squardo to his CoO worsening, which is implied to be because of his sickness. The reason why I say that his CoO was removed is because if your CoO is nerfed so much that even trash like Squardo can ambush you, then it's practically nonexistent. The sickness removing his CoC is indisputable. WB tried to use CoC against the executioners, got a headache, and never tried to use CoC again. What else but the sickness would cause this?

If the databooks are saying that WB's sickness didn't heavily nerf/remove his CoO and CoC, then that's just yet another instance of the databooks being full of shit. There's no other explanation for WB basically not having them at MF. Databooks have been wrong on many other occasions.

Also you should throw in Ace not being present for most of the war and Thatch being dead. These are relatively minor nerfs, but so are Kuma's surgery and Hancock's insubordination (she was still attacking WBP tho). Let's just say that the Ace/Thatch nerf cancels out Jinbe not helping them, Kuma's surgery (don't think that this was a huge nerf since that would make no sense), and Hancock helping the WBP 50% of the time. No point in bringing up Teach not helping Marines since you could also say the same about him ditching the WBP, and he ended up hurting the WBP more.

 

[King7]

The war being summarized like this showed that Impel Down Prisoners alone made quite an impact :unsure:

Anyway , before the war , in Sabaody , Doflamingo stated the plan ( probably prepared by Sengoku and possibly Tsuru ) was to pit 7 Warlords vs Whitebeard Pirates , but it didn't work because only 5 Warlords came , and from these remaining 5 , they didn't do much and Hancock even attacked Marines as well

Also yea another one ( Blackbeard and his crew ) attacked Marines , though he killed WB as well ( tho WB was an inch away from dying anyway )

Also Jinbe ( dropped Warlord title when he talked with Sengoku ) ended up clashing with a Warlord Moria
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Anyway the 2 biggest nerf to Marines are :

1. the World Government's and Marines' Greatest Military Power ( the 3 Admirals - Akainu Aokiji Kizaru ) couldn't go all out , hell during their clash with WB Pirates top 3 , they couldn't use their strongest non Awakened attacks ( Daifunka-Ice Age-Yasakani No Magatama ) , let alone Awakenings

About their Awakenings , i believe Akainu's Awakening is multiple Volcanoes , all Commanders have nothing on this level , Katakuri's Awakening for example can't be compared to that ( LOL )

And Aokiji equalled them for 10 days with whatever his Awakening is , Kizaru i don't know what is his Awakening but could be firing Gamma Rays from Outer Space
( Gamma Ray = a type of Light ) and this would be so overpowered like Akainu

2. Garp and Sengoku barely did anything , all they did to WB Pirates & Allies was punching Marco out of Regeneration ( Garp ) , and punching Luffy to prevent Ace getting freed
( Sengoku ) that's all from what i remember

In my opinion , if the place wasn't Marine Base like former Marineford ( now G-1 ) , Akainu + Aokiji would've been enough to defeat WB Pirates

Well if WB can somehow hold off Akainu + Aokiji , Kizaru OR Mihawk can wipe out the rest of WB Pirates and Allies

 

[Shiroyru]

Btw WB couldn’t go all out either without hurting his sons. He didn’t use Awakening either

Post automatically merged: Oct 23, 2019

The war being summarized like this showed that Impel Down Prisoners alone made quite an impact :unsure:

Anyway , before the war , in Sabaody , Doflamingo stated the plan ( probably prepared by Sengoku and possibly Tsuru ) was to pit 7 Warlords vs Whitebeard Pirates , but it didn't work because only 5 Warlords came , and from these remaining 5 , they didn't do much and Hancock even attacked Marines as well

Also yea another one ( Blackbeard and his crew ) attacked Marines , though he killed WB as well ( tho WB was an inch away from dying anyway )

Also Jinbe ( dropped Warlord title when he talked with Sengoku ) ended up clashing with a Warlord Moria
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Anyway the 2 biggest nerf to Marines are :

1. the World Government's and Marines' Greatest Military Power ( the 3 Admirals - Akainu Aokiji Kizaru ) couldn't go all out , hell during their clash with WB Pirates top 3 , they couldn't use their strongest non Awakened attacks ( Daifunka-Ice Age-Yasakani No Magatama ) , let alone Awakenings

About their Awakenings , i believe Akainu's Awakening is multiple Volcanoes , all Commanders have nothing on this level , Katakuri's Awakening for example can't be compared to that ( LOL )

And Aokiji equalled them for 10 days with whatever his Awakening is , Kizaru i don't know what is his Awakening but could be firing Gamma Rays from Outer Space
( Gamma Ray = a type of Light ) and this would be so overpowered like Akainu

2. Garp and Sengoku barely did anything , all they did to WB Pirates & Allies was punching Marco out of Regeneration ( Garp ) , and punching Luffy to prevent Ace getting freed
( Sengoku ) that's all from what i remember

In my opinion , if the place wasn't Marine Base like former Marineford ( now G-1 ) , Akainu + Aokiji would've been enough to defeat WB Pirates

Well if WB can somehow hold off Akainu + Aokiji , Kizaru OR Mihawk can wipe out the rest of WB Pirates and Allies

Marco proved that Kizaru can’t wipe out the WBP

You wank AoE wayyyy too much. The entire point of it is that it’s widespread, but not as powerful as more focused attacks. YC characters aren’t gonna be taken out by random AoE

 

[King7]

Btw WB couldn’t go all out either without hurting his sons.

Yea but he didn't care that much about this , showed by summoning 2 Tsunamis , tilting Marineford , sending Quake that eventually got blocked by 3 Admirals

Yea he didn't . neither did the 3 Admirals

Mihawk Garp Sengoku didn't do much either

Marco proved that Kizaru can’t wipe out the WBP

How . Kizaru's Awakening >>>> Marco's if we assume Akainu's or Aokiji's Awakening is as strong as his , which is likely

Assuming Marco's Awakening isn't far off from Katakuri's , which again , is likely

 

[Shiroyru]

Yea but he didn't care that much about this , showed by summoning 2 Tsunamis , tilting Marineford , sending Quake that eventually got blocked by 3 Admirals

Yea he didn't . neither did the 3 Admirals

Mihawk Garp Sengoku didn't do much either

How . Kizaru's Awakening >>>> Marco's if we assume Akainu's or Aokiji's Awakening is as strong as his , which is likely

Assuming Marco's Awakening isn't far off from Katakuri's , which again , is likely

Katakuri used his Awakening for different purposes compared to the Admirals. He uses his mainly to trap opponents

 

[King7]

Katakuri used his Awakening for different purposes compared to the Admirals. He uses his mainly to trap opponents

Which Base Luffy could get out ? it was his Awakening wasn't it

 

[Shiroyru]

Which Base Luffy could get out ? it was his Awakening wasn't it

Most people can’t eat their way out like Luffy did

 

[King7]

Most people can’t eat their way out like Luffy did

Oh yes he ate it . regardless i think if Akainu's Awakened attack were to clash with Katakuri's Awakened attack , Katakuri and all his Mochi will dissapear without a trace

 

[Uncle Van]

I think he meant that WB's physical strength and stamina were still the same. Marco attributed WB getting stabbed by Squardo to his CoO worsening, which is implied to be because of his sickness. The reason why I say that his CoO was removed is because if your CoO is nerfed so much that even trash like Squardo can ambush you, then it's practically nonexistent. The sickness removing his CoC is indisputable. WB tried to use CoC against the executioners, got a headache, and never tried to use CoC again. What else but the sickness would cause this?

If the databooks are saying that WB's sickness didn't heavily nerf/remove his CoO and CoC, then that's just yet another instance of the databooks being full of shit. There's no other explanation for WB basically not having them at MF. Databooks have been wrong on many other occasions.

Also you should throw in Ace not being present for most of the war and Thatch being dead. These are relatively minor nerfs, but so are Kuma's surgery and Hancock's insubordination (she was still attacking WBP tho). Let's just say that the Ace/Thatch nerf cancels out Jinbe not helping them, Kuma's surgery (don't think that this was a huge nerf since that would make no sense), and Hancock helping the WBP 50% of the time. No point in bringing up Teach not helping Marines since you could also say the same about him ditching the WBP, and he ended up hurting the WBP more.

Thing is that the WBP are a PK level crew. They are stronger than the other emperors. Other Emperors have 3 commanders but WB had 5. The other Emperors are silver medalist while WB was an uncrowned gold medalist. Their nerfs brings them down to a standard yonko crew. This is important to remember cause people love to use WB to elevate the other Emperors when he stood above them.

WB could do whatever he wanted. He created a tsunami, tilted the islands, shot a quake punch at the platform and Jozu tossed an iceberg that wouldve landed on Ace in seastone cuffs.

Everything else is semantics. Warlords were nerfed while others fought against the Marines, top tiers couldnt use their full power and spent time watching instead of fighting, lots of luck and plot etc..

 

[Chaves]

In addition, the WBP were the strongest crew in the world according to databook yellow.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Mihawk decides to test Luffy's fate instead of killing him outright

If he's testing his fate, then why is he using Yoru and not his steak knife?

 

[Shiroyru]

Thing is that the WBP are a PK level crew. They are stronger than the other emperors. Other Emperors have 3 commanders but WB had 5. The other Emperors are silver medalist while WB was an uncrowned gold medalist. Their nerfs brings them down to a standard yonko crew. This is important to remember cause people love to use WB to elevate the other Emperors when he stood above them.

WB could do whatever he wanted. He created a tsunami, tilted the islands, shot a quake punch at the platform and Jozu tossed an iceberg that wouldve landed on Ace in seastone cuffs.

Everything else is semantics. Warlords were nerfed while others fought against the Marines, top tiers couldnt use their full power and spent time watching instead of fighting, lots of luck and plot etc..

Prime WB was above the other Yonko, but his crew was Yonko crew level. I don’t think that the WBP were comparable to the Roger Pirates for two reasons:

1. Roger Pirates were formed over 52 years ago according to Brook, and the WBP were formed less than 38 years ago since that’s when Rocks disbanded. Meaning that the Roger Pirates are over 14 years older than the WBP

2. Roger Pirates were a more balanced crew, like the RHP. They had less crew members, but made up for it with quality.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Thing is that the WBP are a PK level crew. They are stronger than the other emperors. Other Emperors have 3 commanders but WB had 5. The other Emperors are silver medalist while WB was an uncrowned gold medalist. Their nerfs brings them down to a standard yonko crew. This is important to remember cause people love to use WB to elevate the other Emperors when he stood above them.

WB could do whatever he wanted. He created a tsunami, tilted the islands, shot a quake punch at the platform and Jozu tossed an iceberg that wouldve landed on Ace in seastone cuffs.

Everything else is semantics. Warlords were nerfed while others fought against the Marines, top tiers couldnt use their full power and spent time watching instead of fighting, lots of luck and plot etc..

Never stated
WB crew was never PK level
Was never called strongest nor most balanced

Post automatically merged: Oct 23, 2019

AoE means Jack 1 vs 1

WB was sick, his durability was meh, his haki was weakened.
Admirals just cant finish YCs without yaing high end attacks (or distractions to land hits)

Akainu was taken out (not totally KOed but temporarily out in order to have teach kill and get WB fruit)

WB commanders are trash except Ace (who has weak average CoA too like marco jozu)

WB was not gonna win even if it was prime wb
Maybe the fight would be extreme diff but there is no way he will win vs Navy HQ