[FNZ] Role Madness Metal Gear Mafia - Game Over: Patriots Win [Michelle Only Player Alive]

[Dr. Watson]

What's his name on FV?

Sigismund

 

[Michelle]

We have you, late game, putting in effort and possibly describing your own experience as Mafia.

I am always putting effort in solving, what do you imply here?

 

[Dr. Watson]

I do want to clarify that I think it's a butthole move to angleshoot with personal lives. This does not count against Sig.

But I do see a bit of bussing and avoidance in his votes there.

(I'm not talking at you Orca, I just mean in general in case you feel attacked specifically)

I'm a bleeding heart, but he made some good points
It's just that the kill on Orc. It may just be the simplest answer in front of us, and Orc got super lucky with the theory.

Let's see how PB and the other stronger players read the remaining players atm

 

[Michelle]

I do want to clarify that I think it's a butthole move to angleshoot with personal lives. This does not count against Sig.

But I do see a bit of bussing and avoidance in his votes there.

game behaviour it's what counts, and the votes

 

[Dr. Watson]

I am always putting effort in solving, what do you imply here?

So Cake did a clever little thing by theorizing in Fuji's game about scum having to find one another and that it wasn't one unified team.
She flipped, and right away, it clicked she was implicating herself and trying to distance herself from that theory in order to push others. BUT I don't think you're a 3D chess kinda gal, so it's unlikely you're doing this.

My point is we all have something against us - and sometimes we have to go deeper, or maybe I have to go simpler.

Can I see your scum games?

 

[Pot Goblin]

See my biggest thing is

>Orca throws theory out that hime and RA orchestrated the lynch since it ensures at least one of their survival
>Orca killed despite this being a fairly decent way to lead astray
>RA still alive, Orca is not - it feels like it's set up to be a mislynch on RA

I'm stuck on this, but glad Orca is verified. Unless it wasn't a faction kill, of course, which may complicate things even more.

We have Rej, who is in a secure position to coast.
We have me, with only Pot fully comfortable reading me as town.
We have you, late game, putting in effort and possibly describing your own experience as Mafia.

Too many aspects that we need to figure and rule out.

@Pot Goblin what else have you been stuck on?

I'll have to ISO Orca. PB, JG, and Kiku as well. Rather than looking at ISOs by ISOlating them (nooooo), connecting them to see their reads side by side could help. Same with their interactions.

With RA it's that too scummy to be scum mindset. He feels scummy and never had his vote on a scum wagon I'm pretty sure but it doesn't feel like a slam dunk after Mono and Reloades got mislynched for their playstyle

He also had no reason to share or talk about the lie detect to help your claim

Rej I got a mechanic result that said she either does not have a kill or has used a kill and I'm unsure of the coinflip. Looking back Rej has also had a very good game with a lot of votes on scum wagons but I'm worried that it's been too good of a game.

First to vote T-Pein and Pero for their lynch and also was the one to hammer hime. Only mislynch in the game was with Reloaded and that's from me pushing for it.

Michelle is that there is just so little to go off of but at the same time the posts and contribution in the late game makes me feel good about her.

 

[Dr. Watson]

game behaviour it's what counts, and the votes

100%

Spoiler

I'm beating a dead horse, but it's why I get so pissed when scum piles on people that have outside lives and use it to their advantage. It's just so fucking cheap and lazy. I know it's part of the game and anything goes, but it kind of goes past the game since it can be pretty personal.

 

[Pot Goblin]

Rej I got a mechanic result that said she either does not have a kill or has used a kill and I'm unsure of the coinflip. Looking back Rej has also had a very good game with a lot of votes on scum wagons but I'm worried that it's been too good of a game.

First to vote T-Pein and Pero for their lynch and also was the one to hammer hime. Only mislynch in the game was with Reloaded and that's from me pushing for it.

Why I point this out is that Rej self-described himself as a busser this game lol

I see potential TMI basically

 

[Dr. Watson]

With RA it's that too scummy to be scum mindset. He feels scummy and never had his vote on a scum wagon I'm pretty sure but it doesn't feel like a slam dunk after Mono and Reloades got mislynched for their playstyle

He also had no reason to share or talk about the lie detect to help your claim

Rej I got a mechanic result that said she either does not have a kill or has used a kill and I'm unsure of the coinflip. Looking back Rej has also had a very good game with a lot of votes on scum wagons but I'm worried that it's been too good of a game.

First to vote T-Pein and Pero for their lynch and also was the one to hammer hime. Only mislynch in the game was with Reloaded and that's from me pushing for it.

Michelle is that there is just so little to go off of but at the same time the posts and contribution in the late game makes me feel good about her.

The hole in the RA theory is something Orca pointed out iirc - I already claimed prior. It was public knowledge way before he had claimed that he had a lie detect. So he could easily just claim a lie detect, say, "yeah she's clear."
But there's the other point I've been making where... he didn't have to clear me. There would've been a perfect opportunity to lie and say "nah, this bitch scum, get rid of her."

I was thinking about Raj earlier today if it isn't RA. If we go by the tactics scum has done throughout the game, he'd fit the profile of deep coasting wolf. Like, how many posts has he had? What have they referenced and why? Etc etc

I believe Michelle's slot is also in a secure place as well, but far less pingy if at all, than Rej or RA.

God.
This is impossible. I'm close to tinfoiling

 

[Dr. Watson]

Why I point this out is that Rej self-described himself as a busser this game lol

I see potential TMI basically

That would be hilarious

Like your 400 post ISO that was just you quoting random shit that was ironically way more work

 

[Dr. Watson]

Fyi I'm gonna drink, I keep getting distracted with this lol

I deserve a drink after today damnit

 

[Pot Goblin]

Like your 400 post ISO that was just you quoting random shit that was ironically way more work

 

[Dr. Watson]

Legendary Goblin

 

[Michelle]

So Cake did a clever little thing by theorizing in Fuji's game about scum having to find one another and that it wasn't one unified team.
She flipped, and right away, it clicked she was implicating herself and trying to distance herself from that theory in order to push others. BUT I don't think you're a 3D chess kinda gal, so it's unlikely you're doing this.

My point is we all have something against us - and sometimes we have to go deeper, or maybe I have to go simpler.

Can I see your scum games?

Let me search my last MU scum game

I have here as well but idk how to find them. Not more than 2 anyway

 

[Random Asshole]

Can I know why didn't you chose to lie detect my post who had alignament and flavour in it?
I see now it was to have my lynch as an option

Like was covered yesterday when I was talking about the Lie Detect to Orca, I asked in the thread for posts to Lie detect. Pot Goblin helped choose them, and didnt pick your post when I asked for the exact post he then picked two posts, one from Vodka an one for Orca, II chose Vodka

@Random Asshole can you link to a recent scum game to expand on this to compare?

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-mafia-ultimate.29258/#post-3185618

My most recent "active" scum game.

 

[Random Asshole]

The only other scum game Ive had recently was Flower's Negima game, where I got subbed out for low posting.

 

[Dr. Watson]

If I'm last scum left, it doesn't matter what they want, Its my kill to send. And I wouldn't want to kill Polar Bear, especially with my interacting with him so soon before hand, and with Solid Snake being revealed. If they did go over my head, I 100% would have subbed out, or forfeited as the last player on scum standing. That would be the exact situation that Rion vs Matvel was lol.


Nah, if they go over my head, I'm 100% subbing out, especially if they use my kill on someone I didn't want to. I wouldn't have agreed to a Polar Bear kill, even if I was cooperating 100%


We are talking about if I was scum, so yeah its only theory. My only action in this game was to lie detect you. What Orca says didnt happen, so I had to point out what would have happened if I was scum. This does reliy on knowing me, but this entire conversation Orca started boils down to an even more ludicrous theory, considering my position in the game, how I've acted this game, and the very fact I claimed a LD in the first place instead of coasting or ignoring the gif. I did try to give it away to Rej or made it not collected remember that, it would have taken exactly 0 effort for me to ignore it, and never mention it. Even ignoring everything I said here, do you think any scum would attempt turn down a free ability? Let alone have to be corrected by the host multiple times until the host just has other people vote on it?

Unluckly that was an extended end of day situation and everyone wanted it to end soon.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-mafia-ultimate.29258/post-3223925

This stuck out to me, since we talked about this recently.

 

[Dr. Watson]

The only other scum game Ive had recently was Flower's Negima game, where I got subbed out for low posting.

You seem to be a low coasting scum player in general, yeah.

My tinfoilebrain says someone in your team, if you are scum, is coaching you really well.

But I highly doubt you're a 5D chess fella and went through the trouble of breadcrumbing and backing your claims with your scum play in 2022 lol
That rolls that out, imo. Thus, your claims and explanations you gave me previously are fairly consistent.

 

[Michelle]

Let me search my last MU scum game

I have here as well but idk how to find them. Not more than 2 anyway

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39251-Mafia-League-S2-M1G1
And the previous one was a team game in may 2022.
Also that was a mountainous game, no power roles

 

[Dr. Watson]

So I understand where you're finally coming from when you posted your previous explanation.

AnalyInf this is interesting
It's funny, it's kind of contradictory that you have so much passion when you roll scum to the point you want to blow the entire thing up, but as Town you have trouble really finding that explosive, enduring passion. Maybe it has to do with feeling discarded since you're having to cooperate with others and vice versa. Or perhaps you feel when rolling town that the aggression is unnecessary

I'm learning more about you at least