Powers & Abilities Mihawk Didn't Try in Marineford... Because Pirates Hate the Marines and the WG

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Some of ya'll act like the Shichibukai like the WG.

No.

Mihawk used them. And, when they went after him, he... went after them.

Not Mihawk's fault the Navy don't have a swordsman worth his time.

What is more likely? That Mihawk couldn't kill anyone in Marineford?

Or he just showed up because he was bored, and didn't kill the Whitebeard Pirates... because he doesn't dislike them?

Can a single GENIUS MARINE FAN tell me why Mihawk would want to suck up to the fuckers he used to hunt for fun (the Marines)?

Hating on Mihawk, because he refuses to act like a government stooge and murder pirates for Marines "of justice", who are ruled by child sex traffickers, and haven't done any "JUSTICE" regarding their child-banging bosses, is the single most chucklefuck-chicanery that crazy children on this site have ever crapped out their agenda-cannons.

The reason Mihawk is superior is because he refuses to kill people like Ace to appease child sex traffickers, like the Marines do for the Celestial Dragons who hate Roger.

Marines should learn from Mihawk.

I have Shanks over Mihawk, too, so don't even start with that crap.

Kaido told us Haki surpasses all (including Sword Skill), learn to read if you want to write this much shit about a manga you don't read.

"But muh sword skill."

Does Sword Skill stop a nuke? Because that's what Joy Boy's Rope Haki just smacked into Imu's face.

Haki >>> Sword Skill

Blow my Buggy Balls until they explode and clean your pipes, so your piss-shit power-scaling stops clogging up WorstGen.

I'm going to trust Kaido, who Oda said to always bet on in a 1v1, to be honest about Haki, over the people that told me Shanks doesn't fight with swords.

Mihawk and Shanks should both be respected as top tiers, I've had it up to here with this nonsense. Their Haki is so strong they've turned all of these forums into yapping bullshit.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I have Shanks over Mihawk, too, so don't even start with that crap.

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(kidding you're my best bro you're awesome)

 

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into the ignore list with you










(kidding you're my best bro you're awesome)

I like Mihawk more than Shanks, just because Mihawk is so weird.

I liked Shanks more until Zoro's training arc with Mihawk, Mihawk's treatment of the Humandrills humanized him a lot to me, because I love people who are kind to animals.

 

[matt245]

Blow my Buggy Balls

Lmao, that's a new one. You got a like from that alone

 

[Erkan12]

Kaido told us Haki surpasses all (including Sword Skill), learn to read if you want to write this much shit about a manga you don't read.

"But muh sword skill."

Does Sword Skill stop a nuke? Because that's what Joy Boy's Rope Haki just smacked into Imu's face.

Haki >>> Sword Skill
.

Garp was training without Haki. He was training his skill and physical strength, durability etc

Thats important as well.

Both skill and Haki trainings are 2 different trainings, both trainings are needed.

Which better than which depends on how proficient they are in each categories, but Haki is mostly more important as it can improve more in intense battles, and true Shanks > Mihawk for the Haki difference.

 

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Garp was training without Haki. He was training his skill and physical strength, durability etc

Thats important as well.

Both skill and Haki trainings are 2 different trainings, both trainings are needed.

Which better than which depends on how proficient they are in each categories, but Haki is mostly more important as it can improve more in intense battles, and true Shanks > Mihawk for the Haki difference.

This is a great point, honestly.

Bonney is a 12-year-old girl, without Haki or her Fruit, she's very weak.

But, with them, she's a powerhouse.

Lots of big, strong guys in the One Piece world that lack Haki.

It's because Bonney built for Will, and they just lifted weights.

This is why Teach is a Yonkou; man has the Will to survive anything, and the strength to scar Shanks in a serious fight.

 

[trav]

I have Shanks over Mihawk

bro has Shanks over Mihawk

Haki surpasses all

bro told us haki surpasses all

Mihawk and Shanks should both be respected as top tiers

bro said Mihawk and Shanks are top tiers

bro forgot that any fighting style includes haki

 

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Bro is lil late to the debate.

Sword skill includes Haki as well.

No.

Haki is Haki.

Sword Skill is Sword Skill.

Haki is using your Will to control reality.

Sword Skill is sword technique.

Shanks has greater power/Haki.

Mihawk has greater technique/skill with swords.

Mihawk wants to fight people with Sword Skill.

Mihawk ignored multiple strong people at Marineford, and instead spent his most time with... Vista, a Swordsman.

Mihawk wanted to chase Krieg and kill him, but... instead, decided to fight... Zoro... a swordsman...

Mihawk doesn't care about power. He cares about swords.

Shanks pulled up to Kidd and one shot him just by swiping his sword. Why? Haki.

The moment Shanks lost his other arm, he lost Sword Skill. So? Mihawk lost interest.

People make this way, way, way, way harder than it needs to be.

Technique is not power.

Mihawk has greater technique. Shanks has greater power.

Mihawk stopped challenging Shanks because he lost technique; when he lost his arm. It had nothing to do with power.

Mihawk stopped challenging Shanks because Shanks lost sword skill.

Mihawk doesn't care about Shanks' Haki; he wants to have a sword fight. Mihawk CANNOT have a fair fight with Shanks BECAUSE MISSING ARM. So? No interest.

Mihawk wants to fight swordsman in fair fights. The only reason Mihawk focused on Luffy in Marineford is because Luffy was the captain of the Swordsman, Zoro, Mihawk was interested in.

The funniest shit in this world would be Oda saying that Mihawk heard King might come to Marineford and was waiting for him.

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Do you need Haki to swing a sword?

No.

So is Haki a sword-skill?

No.

Can you use Haki without a sword?

Yes.

So is Haki a sword-skill?

No.

One last question.

How can Sword Skill matter so much...

If Haki stops blades from touching each other? Roger and Whitebeard already proved this (even if Whitebeard's weapon wasn't a sword, the edge he used was a blade)

Sword Skill is heavily focused on parrying and dodging blades.

How can that Sword Skill exist in a scenario when Haki stops blades from dodging and parrying each other?

Or, do you believe that parrying and dodging blades is not sword skill?

Haki is Will.

Technique is Skill.

If Zoro had the Technique/Skill to match his Haki/Will, he would have beaten Mihawk in the East Blue on Baratie.

Mihawk let Zoro live because he knew his Will was strong.

It was Zoro's technique/skill that needed to grow.

I will say that honing Haki is a skill/technique, but, Sword Skill is not Haki.

Training Sword Skill and Haki are completely different, and people who don't believe that should reread Zoro's and Luffy's training arcs with Mihawk and Rayleigh.

Let me know when Rayleigh trained Luffy in swords to use Haki.

 

[Punishhh]

People still powerscaling Marineford

 

[trav]

No.

bro quoted a deleted post

 

[Cruxroux]

No.

Haki is Haki.

Sword Skill is Sword Skill.

Haki is using your Will to control reality.

Sword Skill is sword technique.

Shanks has greater power/Haki.

Mihawk has greater technique/skill with swords.

Mihawk wants to fight people with Sword Skill.

Mihawk ignored multiple strong people at Marineford, and instead spent his most time with... Vista, a Swordsman.

Mihawk wanted to chase Krieg and kill him, but... instead, decided to fight... Zoro... a swordsman...

Mihawk doesn't care about power. He cares about swords.

Shanks pulled up to Kidd and one shot him just by swiping his sword. Why? Haki.

The moment Shanks lost his other arm, he lost Sword Skill. So? Mihawk lost interest.

People make this way, way, way, way harder than it needs to be.

Technique is not power.

Mihawk has greater technique. Shanks has greater power.

Mihawk stopped challenging Shanks because he lost technique; when he lost his arm. It had nothing to do with power.

Mihawk stopped challenging Shanks because Shanks lost sword skill.

Mihawk doesn't care about Shanks' Haki; he wants to have a sword fight. Mihawk CANNOT have a fair fight with Shanks BECAUSE MISSING ARM. So? No interest.

Mihawk wants to fight swordsman in fair fights. The only reason Mihawk focused on Luffy in Marineford is because Luffy was the captain of the Swordsman, Zoro, Mihawk was interested in.

The funniest shit in this world would be Oda saying that Mihawk heard King might come to Marineford and was waiting for him.

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Do you need Haki to swing a sword?

No.

So is Haki a sword-skill?

No.

Can you use Haki without a sword?

Yes.

So is Haki a sword-skill?

No.

One last question.

How can Sword Skill matter so much...

If Haki stops blades from touching each other? Roger and Whitebeard already proved this (even if Whitebeard's weapon wasn't a sword, the edge he used was a blade)

Sword Skill is heavily focused on parrying and dodging blades.

How can that Sword Skill exist in a scenario when Haki stops blades from dodging and parrying each other?

Or, do you believe that parrying and dodging blades is not sword skill?

Haki is Will.

Technique is Skill.

If Zoro had the Technique/Skill to match his Haki/Will, he would have beaten Mihawk in the East Blue on Baratie.

Mihawk let Zoro live because he knew his Will was strong.

It was Zoro's technique/skill that needed to grow.

I will say that honing Haki is a skill/technique, but, Sword Skill is not Haki.

Training Sword Skill and Haki are completely different, and people who don't believe that should reread Zoro's and Luffy's training arcs with Mihawk and Rayleigh.

Let me know when Rayleigh trained Luffy in swords to use Haki.

Answer one question on yes or no.

When Zoro and Mihawk fights
Or
When Mihawk and Shanks Fought

Did they turn off their Haki?

Just a yes or no.

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bro quoted a deleted post

I realised it's a troll thread. So really not worth wasting energy into.

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No.

Haki is Haki.

Sword Skill is Sword Skill.

Haki is using your Will to control reality.

Sword Skill is sword technique.

Shanks has greater power/Haki.

Mihawk has greater technique/skill with swords.

Mihawk wants to fight people with Sword Skill.

Mihawk ignored multiple strong people at Marineford, and instead spent his most time with... Vista, a Swordsman.

Mihawk wanted to chase Krieg and kill him, but... instead, decided to fight... Zoro... a swordsman...

Mihawk doesn't care about power. He cares about swords.

Shanks pulled up to Kidd and one shot him just by swiping his sword. Why? Haki.

The moment Shanks lost his other arm, he lost Sword Skill. So? Mihawk lost interest.

People make this way, way, way, way harder than it needs to be.

Technique is not power.

Mihawk has greater technique. Shanks has greater power.

Mihawk stopped challenging Shanks because he lost technique; when he lost his arm. It had nothing to do with power.

Mihawk stopped challenging Shanks because Shanks lost sword skill.

Mihawk doesn't care about Shanks' Haki; he wants to have a sword fight. Mihawk CANNOT have a fair fight with Shanks BECAUSE MISSING ARM. So? No interest.

Mihawk wants to fight swordsman in fair fights. The only reason Mihawk focused on Luffy in Marineford is because Luffy was the captain of the Swordsman, Zoro, Mihawk was interested in.

The funniest shit in this world would be Oda saying that Mihawk heard King might come to Marineford and was waiting for him.

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Do you need Haki to swing a sword?

No.

So is Haki a sword-skill?

No.

Can you use Haki without a sword?

Yes.

So is Haki a sword-skill?

No.

One last question.

How can Sword Skill matter so much...

If Haki stops blades from touching each other? Roger and Whitebeard already proved this (even if Whitebeard's weapon wasn't a sword, the edge he used was a blade)

Sword Skill is heavily focused on parrying and dodging blades.

How can that Sword Skill exist in a scenario when Haki stops blades from dodging and parrying each other?

Or, do you believe that parrying and dodging blades is not sword skill?

Haki is Will.

Technique is Skill.

If Zoro had the Technique/Skill to match his Haki/Will, he would have beaten Mihawk in the East Blue on Baratie.

Mihawk let Zoro live because he knew his Will was strong.

It was Zoro's technique/skill that needed to grow.

I will say that honing Haki is a skill/technique, but, Sword Skill is not Haki.

Training Sword Skill and Haki are completely different, and people who don't believe that should reread Zoro's and Luffy's training arcs with Mihawk and Rayleigh.

Let me know when Rayleigh trained Luffy in swords to use Haki.

I wonder why Zoro all Haki attack is Considered Sword skill here lol.

Spoiler

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

People still powerscaling Marineford

Forever!!!

It's the War of the Best for a reason.

Oda might made better arcs than Marineford, but nothing will ever replace or recreate the feelings that arc gave me.

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bro quoted a deleted post

I took 100 times longer making my post than it took him deleting his post I quoted, leave me alone, LOL

 

[Don Diego]

 

[Marsupp]

No.

Haki is Haki.

Sword Skill is Sword Skill.

Let's get theoretical here.

In terms of offense and doing damage, the vast majority of Haki skills amount to coating a pre-existing substrate which transfers the effects of Haki from the spirit of the user, to the material body of the target.

It goes (1) spirit (user) -> (2) matter (part of or subject to user) -> (3) matter (not subject to user).

The consequence of this power system is that the relevance of offensive Haki in a fight comes from its ability to augment (2) -- the body or a weapon. At least for the vast majority of the post time skip, there is no such thing as a “standalone offensive Haki” (I'm getting there), it always latches onto a previous fighting style and amplifies it (whether it be brawling / cutting / kicking / sniping / Six Powers), and thus there is a direct correlation between the strength of an user of a certain fighting style and the strength of their Haki. It can be inferred that the strongest master of fighting style X has the strongest offensive Haki among all masters of X.

This differs from other systems where a) “aura” has a physical quality that allows it to exist independently of other physical things and b) as a result of (a), people can develop abilities with complex effects and manifestations entirely within the system (such as by having the aura change its physical properties, or by projecting the spiritual plane into the outer world). One Piece has a clean split between raw power (Haki) and complex effects (Devil Fruits). Hence why Devil Fruits are getting overshadowed by Haki in the power creep. It's easy to increase raw power and make a compelling narrative, whereas it's harder make an interesting story if the escalation in power amounts to endless environmental destruction (nowhere for the story to happen) or instakill effects (no conflict or struggle).

Back to our discussion, the only exception to the offensive rule so far is ranged CoC haki, which as far as we know still acts through a substrate (a sword / a rope) but can exert some amount of damage (or perhaps only physical pain) without the simultaneous employment of a pre-existent fighting style.

Since Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman, it follows that among all people who specialize in fighting with a sword, he has the strongest offensive Haki. Shanks can only escape this fate if he specializes in a secondary fighting style (brawling / kicking / sniping ... ) to such an extent that he can make up the difference, his Haki blasts are more lethal than his Haki coating, or there are secret ranged or perhaps external manifestation (think Susanoo) Haki techniques that we haven't learned of. There is no indication of any of this so far.

The problem which keeps these discussions afloat is that Oda often hides what top tiers are capable of as well as how they compare to one another, he keeps the Haki system as ambiguous as possible so he's able to come up with things later if need be, and he relies more on aura and hype than strict logic.

 

[gz89]

He didn't "try" because it wasn't his arc.

 

[SkySanji]

 

[Thaidakar]

All the haters here are gonna faint the moment Mihawk draws his sword, lightning leaking all over the place, and Mihawk speaks out his first named attack

 

[Cozy Sofa]

How many characters left Marineford without a single wound? From the top of my mind

Mihawk
Doflamingo
Hancock

Mihawk merely wanted to protect his title and test WB's legendary power. Disappointed by WB's decline he proceeded to test Luffy, a rookie he has extremely high hopes for. Mihawk didn't have any beef with WB or his crew, nor did he want any, so he merely stalled Vista. That way no matter who won he would live peacefully even after the dust settled.

Doflamingo only used the Shichibukai for his own benefit as we all know. He stayed out of fights with WB or Marco for an easier ride vs Jozu & Oars (both taken by surprise).

Hancock didn't help the marines at all. She destroyed pacifistas and helped Luffy vs Smoker. She was forced in to the war and had nothing against WB despite him being a man.

 

[mly90]

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