Character Discussion Mihawk is not Zoro (and vice versa); Why all the theorists get it wrong

Where will Mihawk and Zoro have their final duel?


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#81
This is the topic where my expectations are completely at odds with most other Zoro fans.

Yes, Zoro and Mihawk will deal with each other at the same time as Luffy meets Shanks. And him and Zoro, if they ever are to fight, which is no guarantee, will do it before Laugh Tale.

One of the main purposes- arguably the main purpose- of the abolition of the Warlords plot is that it kicks Mihawk into action. It‘s Oda’s excuse of moving him from stagnant Paradise character waiting in the wings to effecting the plot in the New World.

The time that it has happened is deliberate. It comes during Wano. We saw, going into Wano, that Shanks was preparing to finally meet Luffy. After Wano, who’s going to be one of the main figures in the news- Zoro, for his role in defeating Kaido.

Zoro and Luffy are the only two people that really interest Mihawk. Zoro, for obvious reasons, but his interest in Luffy as well can’t be ignored. Mihawk went out of his way to hunt him in Marineford. He went to the Warlord meeting (which he apparently never bothered to do) because Zoro and Luffy would be talked about. And the big one, when Mihawk met Luffy in East Blue he went out of his way to go to the NW and talk to Shanks about him. Not to tell him about Zoro, but to talk about Luffy, because Mihawk knows what Luffy means to Shanks.

So, Mihawk’s being hunted. He’s quite enjoying it. Probably sinks a few battleships for fun. Then he gets a News Coo where the headline news is “Emperors Toppled! Strawhat Pirates New Force in the World!” With a big picture of Luffy and Zoro front and centre.

Now, if Mihawk wants to fight Zoro- and he does- and he wants to see what Luffy can do- and he does- then why wouldn’t he go meet up with Shanks? He clearly knows about the promise between Shanks and Luffy to meet again. Instead of running around by himself trying to find one ship in a wide sea, why not go meet up with his friend who is guaranteed to run into Luffy and Zoro in the near future? It’s by far the smartest way to go about it. And Mihawk and Shanks can talk about the big changes in the world while they’re at it.

It’s a nice, neat way for Oda to tie up characters who have clear bonds together up into a bow. Certainly a much neater way of dealing with things than how he’s tried to squash Big Mom into Wano.

As for what it it means for Zoro and when he becomes WSS, well, you just have to get prepared for the fact his final fight is not Mihawk. Just doesn’t work, and hasn’t for a long time, Mihawk is not a villain, in the final war where the fate of mankind is on the line with Luffy the only one who can save everyone, you can’t have his right hand men, strongest subordinate, Strawhat who has been with him the longest time... fighting his friendly mentor figure in a duel that has absolutely no stakes in a global level whatsoever. It just does not work in any respect. And if you think Zoro is fighting Mihawk after the final war, again, you are deluding yourself. Luffy is getting the final fight in the series, no one else. It’s his story, after all.

And as an aside, Shiryu killing Mihawk makes sense to me. Folk may not like it, but it makes sense. If Oda is willing to off Shanks to Blackbeard, he’ll be willing to off Mihawk to Shiryu. That way Zoro’s final fight can be for the WSS title, and it can be to, basically, save the world. “He can’t do that, we’ve been waiting for this fight for over twenty years!”, you say. “Yes, but we’ve been waiting for Luffy to return his hat to Shanks since the very first chapter and I‘m not sure Oda’s going to go through with that either”, I reply.

I understand the worry- “if Shiryu beats Mihawk then Mihawk is weaker than I thought.” Nope, it means Shiryu is stronger than you thought. It does not take a great deal of time to set up that a character is really strong. Just look at Katakuri and Oden as recent examples. A good flashback of Shanks vs Mihawk (feat commentary from WSM Edward Newgate), some modern day feats (I very much suspect that Kid and Killer will continue their purpose in the series as being “Luffy and Zoro, but shitter” and get destroyed if they try and go up against the two) and a few well placed character statements hyping up Shanks and Mihawk, and the two are firmly established as bonafide top tiers regardless of their eventual fates. Prior to Blackbeard and Shiryu arriving to steal the show. Then the same process happens for those two, good flashback, good feats, other characters hype them up and it’s still made clear that everyone is really strong and a worthy final opponent for Luffy and Zoro.

Oda made Ray, Katakuri and Oden stand out- if it is indeed WSS Shiryu vs Zoro for final fight you can bet your ass that Oda will make Shiryu, Mihawk and Zoro all look good for it. Much the same way Luffy, Blackbeard and Shanks, and to a lesser extent Usopp, Yasopp and Auger will all still look good. Look at Whitebeard, to this day the strongest person we’ve seen him actually unequivocally beat is John Giant. He’s still held firmly in the top two strongest ever in 99% of fans opinion.

I await my Zoro fan privileges being revoked for this heretical view.
How can anyone hold a grudge against a great post like this one, if anything it should be pinned on the thread :)
You brought up very valid points and I must admit that I too have a thing for the ''BB/Shiryu killing Shanks/Mihawk'' before our duo get to mee them.
I also believe that Shiryu is Admiral- level since pre-ts, which makes sense as he was comparable to Magellan who was comparable to Admirals but I digress.
I'm also convinced that in Oda's head, it is established since a long time ago that Mihawk/Shanks are ''bonified'' top tiers and de facto won't matter to who they lose, it will only hype their ''defeaters'' which is an evidence but somehow not really for some...
The only thing that keeps me from 100% is :
To hype something for 20+ years and not go through would be a VERY bold move from Oda's part and even if he tries, the editors will get in the way but then again, who knows, we live in the Era of ''subverting expectations'' so why not.
I hope Zoro fights Mihawk by EoS though even if it feels weird and hardly fitting any narrative...
 
#82
This is the topic where my expectations are completely at odds with most other Zoro fans.

Yes, Zoro and Mihawk will deal with each other at the same time as Luffy meets Shanks. And him and Zoro, if they ever are to fight, which is no guarantee, will do it before Laugh Tale.

One of the main purposes- arguably the main purpose- of the abolition of the Warlords plot is that it kicks Mihawk into action. It‘s Oda’s excuse of moving him from stagnant Paradise character waiting in the wings to effecting the plot in the New World.

The time that it has happened is deliberate. It comes during Wano. We saw, going into Wano, that Shanks was preparing to finally meet Luffy. After Wano, who’s going to be one of the main figures in the news- Zoro, for his role in defeating Kaido.

Zoro and Luffy are the only two people that really interest Mihawk. Zoro, for obvious reasons, but his interest in Luffy as well can’t be ignored. Mihawk went out of his way to hunt him in Marineford. He went to the Warlord meeting (which he apparently never bothered to do) because Zoro and Luffy would be talked about. And the big one, when Mihawk met Luffy in East Blue he went out of his way to go to the NW and talk to Shanks about him. Not to tell him about Zoro, but to talk about Luffy, because Mihawk knows what Luffy means to Shanks.

So, Mihawk’s being hunted. He’s quite enjoying it. Probably sinks a few battleships for fun. Then he gets a News Coo where the headline news is “Emperors Toppled! Strawhat Pirates New Force in the World!” With a big picture of Luffy and Zoro front and centre.

Now, if Mihawk wants to fight Zoro- and he does- and he wants to see what Luffy can do- and he does- then why wouldn’t he go meet up with Shanks? He clearly knows about the promise between Shanks and Luffy to meet again. Instead of running around by himself trying to find one ship in a wide sea, why not go meet up with his friend who is guaranteed to run into Luffy and Zoro in the near future? It’s by far the smartest way to go about it. And Mihawk and Shanks can talk about the big changes in the world while they’re at it.

It’s a nice, neat way for Oda to tie up characters who have clear bonds together up into a bow. Certainly a much neater way of dealing with things than how he’s tried to squash Big Mom into Wano.

As for what it it means for Zoro and when he becomes WSS, well, you just have to get prepared for the fact his final fight is not Mihawk. Just doesn’t work, and hasn’t for a long time, Mihawk is not a villain, in the final war where the fate of mankind is on the line with Luffy the only one who can save everyone, you can’t have his right hand men, strongest subordinate, Strawhat who has been with him the longest time... fighting his friendly mentor figure in a duel that has absolutely no stakes in a global level whatsoever. It just does not work in any respect. And if you think Zoro is fighting Mihawk after the final war, again, you are deluding yourself. Luffy is getting the final fight in the series, no one else. It’s his story, after all.

And as an aside, Shiryu killing Mihawk makes sense to me. Folk may not like it, but it makes sense. If Oda is willing to off Shanks to Blackbeard, he’ll be willing to off Mihawk to Shiryu. That way Zoro’s final fight can be for the WSS title, and it can be to, basically, save the world. “He can’t do that, we’ve been waiting for this fight for over twenty years!”, you say. “Yes, but we’ve been waiting for Luffy to return his hat to Shanks since the very first chapter and I‘m not sure Oda’s going to go through with that either”, I reply.

I understand the worry- “if Shiryu beats Mihawk then Mihawk is weaker than I thought.” Nope, it means Shiryu is stronger than you thought. It does not take a great deal of time to set up that a character is really strong. Just look at Katakuri and Oden as recent examples. A good flashback of Shanks vs Mihawk (feat commentary from WSM Edward Newgate), some modern day feats (I very much suspect that Kid and Killer will continue their purpose in the series as being “Luffy and Zoro, but shitter” and get destroyed if they try and go up against the two) and a few well placed character statements hyping up Shanks and Mihawk, and the two are firmly established as bonafide top tiers regardless of their eventual fates. Prior to Blackbeard and Shiryu arriving to steal the show. Then the same process happens for those two, good flashback, good feats, other characters hype them up and it’s still made clear that everyone is really strong and a worthy final opponent for Luffy and Zoro.

Oda made Ray, Katakuri and Oden stand out- if it is indeed WSS Shiryu vs Zoro for final fight you can bet your ass that Oda will make Shiryu, Mihawk and Zoro all look good for it. Much the same way Luffy, Blackbeard and Shanks, and to a lesser extent Usopp, Yasopp and Auger will all still look good. Look at Whitebeard, to this day the strongest person we’ve seen him actually unequivocally beat is John Giant. He’s still held firmly in the top two strongest ever in 99% of fans opinion.

I await my Zoro fan privileges being revoked for this heretical view.
if Shanks and Mihawk fight Luffy and Zoro

it SHOULD be during a devy back fight ... at first I assume it's a silly idea , but one piece should end on a fun note ...

a davy back fight Vs RHP + Mihawk can be a great emotional ending
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#84
:zehaha:
This Zolo fan has seen the truth.
Why would it make more sense than Zoro taking on Mihawk in the first place? Unless the two don't exclude each other and can be mutually comprised to make more sense.

But as a matter of fact the whole idea is mostly based off a conjecture that the plot would look more enciting if Shiryu killed off Mihawk. There's no substantial manga evidence giving breath to it.
 
#85
A lot of OP theorists come up with Mihawk/Shanks theories that, simply put, make no sense whatsoever. For example, Morj, who many people in the community inexplicably see as a reliable theorist, believes that Mihawk will fight Zoro at Elbaf while Luffy and the Straw Hats face Shanks and the Red Haired Pirates in a Davy Back AT THE SAME TIME. This obviously shits on Zoro's dream and is brain dead in the sense that there is 0 chance of Luffy winning a Davy Back without Zoro. This is also entirely inconsistent with Mihawk's character. The man has no ties to Elbaf and has no reason to be there. There is also no reason why Zoro would have his final duel there of all places since it's more arguably Big Mom or Shanks' arc.

The main reason for these illogical theories is that most people see Zoro and Luffy's relationship as a direct parallel to Mihawk and Shanks. Not only is this a grave misunderstanding of all 4 characters, this makes the assumption that Zoro and Mihawk are, for some reason, essentially the same character. They are not, and their relationships with other characters are based on fundamentally different principles.

Zoro's Relationship With Luffy
  • Luffy is Zoro's Captain
  • Zoro was willing to throw away his ambition and dream for Luffy's
  • Zoro places Luffy's life in higher regard than his own
  • Zoro is Luffy's Partner
  • Zoro's relationship with Luffy is that of captain-vice captain.

Mihawk's Relationship With Shanks
  • Shanks is Mihawk's Rival
  • Mihawk did not abandon his ambition for Shanks
  • Mihawk cares about Shanks, but there's no evidence he would go so far as to lay down his life for Shanks
  • Mihawk and Shanks are not, to our knowledge, formally allied. Mihawk would never become Shanks' subordinate given that he's searching for a rival that's stronger than Shanks
  • Mihawk and Shanks have a friendship based on friendly rivalry, similar to Roger's friendship with Garp

Differences Between Mihawk's Relationship with Zoro and Shanks' Relationship With Luffy
  • Mihawk's Relationship With Zoro
  • Zoro's ambition is to surpass Mihawk and become the new World's Strongest Swordsman.
  • His promise to Kuina is Zoro's greatest motivation to become the World's Strongest Swordsman. Mihawk is just the current bearer of that title.
  • Mihawk was neither and idol nor role model to Zoro. He's just the person Zoro needs to beat to become the strongest.
  • Zoro doesn't directly desire to earn Mihawk's respect and recognition, but instead to best him in combat.
  • Mihawk looks at Zoro as a potential new worthy rival. He's waiting for the appearance of the swordsman that surpasses Shanks, and he hopes that Zoro might be that Swordsman.

Shanks' Relationship With Luffy
  • Luffy seeks to become the Pirate King (a title only Roger attained).
  • Shanks was Luffy's inspiration to become a Pirate.
  • Shanks was Luffy's idol and role model.
  • Luffy seeks Shanks' respect and recognition (he'll meet up with Shanks again after gathering a crew that's even better than his).
  • This is symbolised by Luffy returning his Strawhat to Shanks after becoming a Great Pirate.
  • Shanks bet on Luffy and gave up his arm for him. He has high hopes for Luffy as the successor to Roger. He doesn't hope for Luffy to become a new combat rival for him.

People theorising that Mihawk will join Shanks to fight BB (why tho) and that he will have a major role in the Elbaf arc aren't actually thinking critically about the character. They're just shoehorning him into their headcanons involving Shanks and crafting flimsy reasons for Mihawk to be there as well. Mihawk is not Zoro - where Zoro focuses on whatever problem he's dealing with in the moment, Mihawk is looking to the future, to the implications surrounding current events such as Reverie and planning his next move. While Zoro is undyingly loyal and welcomes suffering and hardship, Mihawk sees even a nick on one's blade as a symbol of disgrace. The two characters are extremely different, and trying to make them the same based on hurr durr sword hurr are misinterpreting both characters entirely.

Agree bae both just a different kind of nature
 
#89
Ya i don't believe Zoro is going to fight Mihawk in Elbaf either , his next-in-line opponent after Wano is Shiryuu .

as for the poll question :

Elbaf - as i implied above , no .

Final War - Zoro vs Mihawk in the midst of other SHs fighting Marine HQ and next the World Government's forces in Mariejois ?

no . more likely that Zoro will fight Kizaru and the Shodai Kitetsu Elder .

Wano - no .
somewhere in East Blue - so after the War against the World Government ? maybe no .

Raftel - no . there Zoro's opponent will be Shiryuu .
they won't duel. Mihawk will fall down some stairs and die.

- i have been believing Mihawk will be defeated by the Blackbeard Pirates ( but not Shiryuu , by Teach and his newly acquired Pluton ) , not sure if he will die though at the same time it's unfortunately possible .

i will just vote this option but while disagreeing with the "fall down stairs and die" part .
 
#91
Mihawk and shanks have a connection and you seriously think Oda is just gonna write mihawk out till the end of the story?

Also if you haven’t realized yet mihawk already said luffys dream is harder then Zoros so why would luffy become pirate king before Zoros fight with mihawk?

It seems like you guys deluded yourselves into thinking mihawk is Zoros final fight when in story that’s not the case at all.

Zoro has to achieve his dream before luffys.

after luffy finds the one piece the final war begins.

That’s how it works
you are the only one who is deluded here !!

didn't you realise before that most of SHs pirates will be achieved close to luffy or maybe even after luffy dream
nami drawing the map of the world will not be until she draw laugh tale same with robin the true history lies there.

same for jinbe franky and sanji all of their dreams is only achieved after or with luffy becoming PK
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@Den_Den_Mushi
my ideal place for their duel is above red line
or at the
Reverse Mountain
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#93
CAN YOU READ?

Mihawk himself said becoming pirate king is harder so why the hell would zoro becoming strongest swordsman after luffy achieves his goal???

Jesus christ
Why.
Does.
That.
Matter?

Zoro becoming the WSS after Luffy becomes PK does not mean WSS is above PK. It means Zoro is putting his own ambition on hold until Luffy's is fulfilled.

It's very simple. This isn't about power. Luffy's can and will be harder but will come first. That does not contradict what Mihawk said.
 
#94
Hmm, Didn't teach want to pick up the shibuabchkiiinmfunaji Warlords?:sadgrin::afrokappa:
right after 956 came out , i thought that was possible .

however with this official translation :

i don't think that anymore . so it looks like Blackbeard Pirates were gunning for some "reward" Marines were going to get , and i don't think the former Warlords are that .

most likely it's Pluton in Alabasta .​
 
#95
But the Marines have chosen to pursue Mihawk, and he can’t stay safe from them on his own. He could go hide in a jungle island somewhere, or he could be one an undercover hermit in some unheard of island...or he could just go to Shanks and he wouldn’t have to become an undercover hobo just to hide from the Navy.
If Mihawk really cared a single jot about whether or not he’s pursued, why the heck did he literally stay in one place, knowing that they were coming for him? He had every opportunity to leave at the same time he told Perona to. He knew what was coming, but chose to stay. This man do not give a fuck about being chased.


What island does have a relation to Zoro and Mihawk?
None whatsoever. The point is that there is no evidence for where the final duel will take place, people just shoehorn Mihawk into Shanks’s orbit and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify Elbaf when there is no justifying it. There’s a mountain more evidence for Hajrudin and Usopp achieving their dreams there than Zoro.

And as an aside, Shiryu killing Mihawk makes sense to me. Folk may not like it, but it makes sense. If Oda is willing to off Shanks to Blackbeard, he’ll be willing to off Mihawk to Shiryu. That way Zoro’s final fight can be for the WSS title, and it can be to, basically, save the world. “He can’t do that, we’ve been waiting for this fight for over twenty years!”, you say. “Yes, but we’ve been waiting for Luffy to return his hat to Shanks since the very first chapter and I‘m not sure Oda’s going to go through with that either”, I reply.
This view makes no sense whatsoever. There is no narrative weight to Shiryu and Mihawk even looking in each other’s general direction, let alone one killing the other. Oda had every opportunity in Marineford or Impel Down to show Shiryu as having the same ambition as Zoro, but he didn’t. Do people really want the cliched revenge plotline as the backdrop for Zoro vs Shiryu? Is Zoro vs Shiryu even going to happen at this point? Shiryu does have the fruit that used to be Sanji’s dream.

For better or worse, Oda likes to run in the opposite direction of fan predictions. Diamond Shiryu and Shiryu killing Mihawk have been in the fandom for decades; no one saw invisible Shiryu coming and I highly doubt Oda will make the latter happen either.
 
#96
This is the topic where my expectations are completely at odds with most other Zoro fans.

Yes, Zoro and Mihawk will deal with each other at the same time as Luffy meets Shanks. And him and Zoro, if they ever are to fight, which is no guarantee, will do it before Laugh Tale.

One of the main purposes- arguably the main purpose- of the abolition of the Warlords plot is that it kicks Mihawk into action. It‘s Oda’s excuse of moving him from stagnant Paradise character waiting in the wings to effecting the plot in the New World.

The time that it has happened is deliberate. It comes during Wano. We saw, going into Wano, that Shanks was preparing to finally meet Luffy. After Wano, who’s going to be one of the main figures in the news- Zoro, for his role in defeating Kaido.

Zoro and Luffy are the only two people that really interest Mihawk. Zoro, for obvious reasons, but his interest in Luffy as well can’t be ignored. Mihawk went out of his way to hunt him in Marineford. He went to the Warlord meeting (which he apparently never bothered to do) because Zoro and Luffy would be talked about. And the big one, when Mihawk met Luffy in East Blue he went out of his way to go to the NW and talk to Shanks about him. Not to tell him about Zoro, but to talk about Luffy, because Mihawk knows what Luffy means to Shanks.

So, Mihawk’s being hunted. He’s quite enjoying it. Probably sinks a few battleships for fun. Then he gets a News Coo where the headline news is “Emperors Toppled! Strawhat Pirates New Force in the World!” With a big picture of Luffy and Zoro front and centre.

Now, if Mihawk wants to fight Zoro- and he does- and he wants to see what Luffy can do- and he does- then why wouldn’t he go meet up with Shanks? He clearly knows about the promise between Shanks and Luffy to meet again. Instead of running around by himself trying to find one ship in a wide sea, why not go meet up with his friend who is guaranteed to run into Luffy and Zoro in the near future? It’s by far the smartest way to go about it. And Mihawk and Shanks can talk about the big changes in the world while they’re at it.

It’s a nice, neat way for Oda to tie up characters who have clear bonds together up into a bow. Certainly a much neater way of dealing with things than how he’s tried to squash Big Mom into Wano.

As for what it it means for Zoro and when he becomes WSS, well, you just have to get prepared for the fact his final fight is not Mihawk. Just doesn’t work, and hasn’t for a long time, Mihawk is not a villain, in the final war where the fate of mankind is on the line with Luffy the only one who can save everyone, you can’t have his right hand men, strongest subordinate, Strawhat who has been with him the longest time... fighting his friendly mentor figure in a duel that has absolutely no stakes in a global level whatsoever. It just does not work in any respect. And if you think Zoro is fighting Mihawk after the final war, again, you are deluding yourself. Luffy is getting the final fight in the series, no one else. It’s his story, after all.

And as an aside, Shiryu killing Mihawk makes sense to me. Folk may not like it, but it makes sense. If Oda is willing to off Shanks to Blackbeard, he’ll be willing to off Mihawk to Shiryu. That way Zoro’s final fight can be for the WSS title, and it can be to, basically, save the world. “He can’t do that, we’ve been waiting for this fight for over twenty years!”, you say. “Yes, but we’ve been waiting for Luffy to return his hat to Shanks since the very first chapter and I‘m not sure Oda’s going to go through with that either”, I reply.

I understand the worry- “if Shiryu beats Mihawk then Mihawk is weaker than I thought.” Nope, it means Shiryu is stronger than you thought. It does not take a great deal of time to set up that a character is really strong. Just look at Katakuri and Oden as recent examples. A good flashback of Shanks vs Mihawk (feat commentary from WSM Edward Newgate), some modern day feats (I very much suspect that Kid and Killer will continue their purpose in the series as being “Luffy and Zoro, but shitter” and get destroyed if they try and go up against the two) and a few well placed character statements hyping up Shanks and Mihawk, and the two are firmly established as bonafide top tiers regardless of their eventual fates. Prior to Blackbeard and Shiryu arriving to steal the show. Then the same process happens for those two, good flashback, good feats, other characters hype them up and it’s still made clear that everyone is really strong and a worthy final opponent for Luffy and Zoro.

Oda made Ray, Katakuri and Oden stand out- if it is indeed WSS Shiryu vs Zoro for final fight you can bet your ass that Oda will make Shiryu, Mihawk and Zoro all look good for it. Much the same way Luffy, Blackbeard and Shanks, and to a lesser extent Usopp, Yasopp and Auger will all still look good. Look at Whitebeard, to this day the strongest person we’ve seen him actually unequivocally beat is John Giant. He’s still held firmly in the top two strongest ever in 99% of fans opinion.

I await my Zoro fan privileges being revoked for this heretical view.
well explained view
but I cant see zoro accomplish his dream before luffy's
my general understanding is his ambition takes more of a backseat currently till luffy's is fulfilled.

flashback will be nice tho
the first fight between mihawk and zoro wasnt one of enmity
the last one in all fairness doesn't have to be either.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#97
If Mihawk really cared a single jot about whether or not he’s pursued, why the heck did he literally stay in one place, knowing that they were coming for him? He had every opportunity to leave at the same time he told Perona to. He knew what was coming, but chose to stay. This man do not give a fuck about being chased.
He told Perona they should leave as Reverie was beginning, and he left a couple of days later, I don’t think he was laying around nonchalantly lol, he probably had to prepare for a long sea voyage, no matter where he is going.

None whatsoever. The point is that there is no evidence for where the final duel will take place, people just shoehorn Mihawk into Shanks’s orbit and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify Elbaf when there is no justifying it. There’s a mountain more evidence for Hajrudin and Usopp achieving their dreams there than Zoro.
Elbaf, the land of warrior’s pride and strength, is not a good place for Zoro to attain his strength-based dream? Of course there is no literal evidence of Zoro facing Mihawk here, there is no evidence for him facing Mihawk anywhere as you said. We are speculating on what the narrative has lead us to believe.

And I haven’t really seen you state where you believe is a good place to face Mihawk and why? You’re just here to say it’s not Elbaf? That’s fine I guess but do you have a better idea of where the fight will take place?

Elbaf thus far has been portrayed as an arc where not one but two Straw Hats will reconnect with extremely important figures from their past, only this time they will be ready to face them as equals, when the last time they met they were at the bottom of the food chain.

The last time Luffy saw Shanks was when Luffy was a foolish child and he wasn’t even a pirate yet. If Luffy reconnects with Shanks at Elbaf, it’ll be as Pirates of equal standing.

The last time Usopp saw Yasopp, he was just a child, now he is a brave warrior of the sea (“”) with his own legends and stories to tell. Usopp will reconnect with Yasopp as a great pirate.

I can’t think of a better place for Zoro to surpass his goal, where the last time they fought was when Zoro was a frog, to face him as an equal when last they were worlds apart.
 
Why.
Does.
That.
Matter?

Zoro becoming the WSS after Luffy becomes PK does not mean WSS is above PK. It means Zoro is putting his own ambition on hold until Luffy's is fulfilled.

It's very simple. This isn't about power. Luffy's can and will be harder but will come first. That does not contradict what Mihawk said.
lol why was luke's og post deleted....
 
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