General & Others Monster trio armament training during timeskip

#23
What's the point of having Hardening if his Leg gonna get cracked against Vergo?
It's better to say He didn't have it, rather than say He did & still couldn't protect his Leg against someone like Vergo in literally NW First Island
i do like taking that as foreshadowing for his weird body. sanji breaks a lot of bones in earlier arcs and then just completely ignores them. after vergo broke his leg he kept walking on the leg and using it.
 
#24
Post the panel of Sanji vs Daifuku so we can all have a laugh.
I could... or you could scroll up to the more acceptable answers.

What's funny is you're setting the standard and I'm complying. Yet you still ignore all the evidence presented and instead focus on the one questionable situation.

You my friend are a contrarian for sanji.
 
#27
There is no invisible haki. Nor hardening. Oda just doenst paint black all his draws.

There is no such levels between haki.
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Not only CoA, they also learned CoO.

Haki boosted their level 2 times stronger, or even more.

Seeing how many hits did a Pacifista take to be defeated, while the next time against it... 3 hits was an overkill, I think they all could 1 shot the Pacifista, which gave trouble to Veteran fighters at Marineford.

Reason I scale Luffy and Zoro as Yc1 post time skip, and Sanji as Yc3.

On top of that, Luffy not only mastered 3 types of haki, but also upgraded his DF with Geaf 4th, which IMO gave him boosts to fight top tiers, not win but at least give them real trouble and damage with it.

Reason Gear 4th wasnt really used in 100% of his fights, it was used as a finisher.
 
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#28
Have we seen Sanji use hardening? I’m just curious the black pants would make it difficult.
Yes. How could you overpower or match a hardening attack without your own?

Don't forget what happened in katakuri vs luffy
I've posted several panels above showing sanjis obvious haki usage
 
#29
Why do people keep talking about sanji's hardening when he used in the last chapter and 1119 ?
You people are so depressing,
Does Sanji use koka to style his hair, or what? Look at the last chapter. Sanjis hair and legs all get dark because of the flames from his leg. The dark color (shadow) goes all the way up his knee.
But the moment he uses the attack the black coloring is gone. There is no koka to be seen.
I know its painful to admit and you will try to deny reality for as long as you can, but there simply is no panel of Sanji using koka.
I could... or you could
Just post the panel, you daft kid.
Its not going to half as funny if I do it for you.
 
#30
You people are so depressing,
Does Sanji use koka to style his hair, or what? Look at the last chapter. Sanjis hair and legs all get dark because of the flames from his leg. The dark color (shadow) goes all the way up his knee.
But the moment he uses the attack the black coloring is gone. There is no koka to be seen.
I know its painful to admit and you will try to deny reality for as long as you can, but there simply is no panel of Sanji using koka.

Just post the panel, you daft kid.
Its not going to half as funny if I do it for you.
 
#31
You people are so depressing,
Does Sanji use koka to style his hair, or what? Look at the last chapter. Sanjis hair and legs all get dark because of the flames from his leg. The dark color (shadow) goes all the way up his knee.
But the moment he uses the attack the black coloring is gone. There is no koka to be seen.
I know its painful to admit and you will try to deny reality for as long as you can, but there simply is no panel of Sanji using koka.
Nice cope lol
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You people are so depressing,
Does Sanji use koka to style his hair, or what? Look at the last chapter. Sanjis hair and legs all get dark because of the flames from his leg. The dark color (shadow) goes all the way up his knee.
But the moment he uses the attack the black coloring is gone. There is no koka to be seen.
I know its painful to admit and you will try to deny reality for as long as you can, but there simply is no panel of Sanji using koka.
Shading never completely covers the drawn area
Stop being insecure because sanji has mastered the basic koka lmfao
 
#33


Luffy zoro and sanji all learned haki during the timeskip. Tho in this case ima just focus on armament in which each came out of it a different level of mastery

All 3:
Are always using haki in combat situations just like everyone else with haki. With basic observation and armament haki being invisible they’re no visual indicators really but at the same time duh. Like all 3 obviously used haki against the pacifista right out of the gate. They don’t need to say it every time

Luffy:


On top of the basic invisible armament Luffy also learned hardening. His usage of hardening being the most casual and easy out of the 3. It being enough of a big deal for him to add a new naming scheme to his old attacks like saying when he’s using hardening in base, jet -> hawk, gigant -> elephant, and Gigant jet -> roc

Also thanks to his armament he also developed gear 4 a form that relies on it. With him being able to perfectly infuse his hardening and devil fruit in order to keep his rubbery properties while having it up. The flame pattern likely insinuating that perfect fusion between the two

Zoro:


Due to being a weapons user when learning how to fully utilize armament haki he has to jump to the more advanced application in emissions. That being because to use haki on your weapons you just straight up need to learn it. While zoro did use haki against daz while in a life or death situation it was only during his training with mihawk that he actually mastered the ability enough to be able to always use it

Zoro like luffy also learned hardening. In his case him being able to use it was made to seem like a special moment. Him likely not being able to use it as freely as luffy at that point but still capable of using it regardless. Tho through his growth in wano it has become an extremely casual thing for him now. In general weapon users being able to harden their weapons is lowkey made to seem like a pretty big deal or achievement. Just looking at mihawk to zoro and oden to his retainers




Zoro also learned new enhanced versions of his old attacks like lion song -> death lion song, Rashomon -> restful paradise Rashomon, and onigiri -> purgatory onigiri. Since he’s capable of using both the old and new versions with haki (even hardening) I don’t think the new versions of the attack have anything to do with haki. Imo it might have something to do with his mastery of shusui and his scar in some way

Sanji:

Honestly his hardening usuage is a lot more annoying to pinpoint not only because most of his attacks are straight up mistranslated but oda doesn’t help really by giving much of a visual indication. So ima just go through all his variations of attacks to try to make it easier to understand

Im pretty sure we all know at least that sanji's "normal" attacks are based on just where hes specifically hitting someone. For example the attack ima show off collier = neck

Collier mistakenly translated to collier coup but is just the most basic version

Collier shoot a stronger version of the normal collier kick translated as collier coup


Collier shoot + diable jambe. He doesn't really change the name just does it with dj again translated to coup. He could also be stacking invisible armament on top of it post timeskip but that doesn’t really change the name either

Collier strike an even more powerful version of collier shoot. In my opinion the strike attacks definitely indicate armament being used but more than just him using armament it’s because he’s able to heat up his leg even further due to the added durability which is why he changes the name

So Basically
  1. Collier and most his basic body part named attacks are his weakest and usually used to combo into eachother ending with a special kick by the end
  2. < shoot versions are attacks specifically made to do as much damage as he can to that specific body part
  3. < diable jambe + shoot the same as before just with the dj boost. He could also stack armament on it
  4. < diable jambe strike a new thing post timeskip even stronger shoot. The name finally changing because he’s not just using armament haki and diable jambe but enhancing the heat of his flame with it
What's the point of this thread?..

Also Diable Jambe Strike is just a Diable Jambe Shoot with Base CoA..
 
#34
Shanks is a haki god
Luffy is a haki king
Zoro is a haki king
Jinbei is a haki master
Sanji is … an intermediate? Not novice but also not accomplished. No character has ever said anything about his haki.

Having said there are other strong characters like Queen, King and Marco that have failed to impress regarding haki. Perhaps King is the best of the trio as he is a semi-swordsman.
 
#35
Shanks is a haki god
Luffy is a haki king
Zoro is a haki king
Jinbei is a haki master
Sanji is … an intermediate? Not novice but also not accomplished. No character has ever said anything about his haki.

Having said there are other strong characters like Queen, King and Marco that have failed to impress regarding haki. Perhaps King is the best of the trio as he is a semi-swordsman.
Sanji CoA is as good as average fodder from New world.
CoO is good though
 
#37
Yes. How could you overpower or match a hardening attack without your own?

Don't forget what happened in katakuri vs luffy
I've posted several panels above showing sanjis obvious haki usage
It could be a large physical strength gap. But I’m not saying he doesn’t have it that’s obvious I’m just wondering if it’s been depicted.
 
#38
It could be a large physical strength gap. But I’m not saying he doesn’t have it that’s obvious I’m just wondering if it’s been depicted.
You're a clown. You can't fight haki with physical strength. Your attack will end up like luffy vs katakuri but wayyyyy worse.

Your answer shows your bias
 
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