Questions & Mysteries Monster Trio Training during Time Skip

[Garp the Fist]

Zoro asked Mihawk to teach him the way of the sword. Assuming Mihawk can't teach Zoro swordsmanship makes no sense.

I didn't say he can't teach him swordsmanship. He clearly showed Zoro how a swordsman needs to use Haki.

What I am saying is that Mihawk cannot use Santoryu. Same way Rayleigh cannot use the Gum Gum fruit. Both of them can provide advice with how to fight due to their vast experience as fighters, but Mihawk's style is nothing like Zoro's style. So I don't feel that Mihawk has any advantage over Rayleigh as a teacher due to being a swordsman.

Regardless why would Rayleigh be a better teacher than Hawkeyes?

-He's older so has more experience as a fighter than Mihawk- even before retiring he was ten years older than Mihawk is now
-I would imagine he gave the apprentices on Roger's crew advice and training in his role as First Mate, given that we've seen him act at least as a disciplinary figure to Shanks to Buggy. I find it unlikely, given Mihawk's personality, that he's ever mentored anyone before Zoro. Teaching would be new to him
-Rayleigh actually had the plan set up for how to train Luffy, where he would go, how long it would take. Zoro just sort of sprung it on Mihawk as a surprise.
-just their personalities in general. Rayleigh's got the wise old man vibe down to a tee.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Luffy and zoro.
Zoro as a swordsman couldn't find better than mihawk.
And luffy with ray had all the tips and the training to get stronger during the ts and to improve after during fights. He learnt every type of haki to the same extent and had tips to progress in all of them.
Sanji was basically on his own unfortunately, but he did good by himself developing haki, Skywalk and improving diable jambe.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Why are we pretending like this is debatable or somehow open to interpretation?

Because this question itself gets different people to give different answers...

 

[Rukusho]

Who would be a better Teacher for Luffy.

Katakuri or Rayleigh

 

[Rmstorm]

Who would be a better Teacher for Luffy.

Katakuri or Rayleigh

Luffy being trained by Garp is equivalent of Zoro being trained by Mihawk.

 

[OEKaneki]

It’s Luffy and it’s not particularly close. Not only did he receive the most diverse training, learning all three forms of haki, and not only was his training good enough to put him within arm’s length of learning advanced forms of haki, which neither of the other two have or are close to having, but it also gave him G4, which is by far better than anything the other two have, and he was able to come up with G4 because Rayleigh was such a good teacher that he understood how to incorporate his haki with his devil fruit.

Luffy was by far the best trained.

 

[Geo]

Dude Zoro beat their ass multiple times and every time they get back causing more trouble by being a "copy"

So basically Zoro's training was like fighting "versions" of himself who copy his technqiue... everyday he has to beat "his own techniques" and surpass himself from day before

Mihawk naturally was helping... otherwise he is no teacher... but he wasn't the duel opponent for Zoro for the whole 2 years

Luffy had the 500 animals who were ALREADY stronger than him
Zoro had Baboons who can evolve with you
Sanji had Okama masters who some of them used Haki...

For someone who claimed others were using headcanon, you sure have produced a lot of headcanon in this post..quite ironic

 

[Fn Lucci]

It’s Luffy and it’s not particularly close. Not only did he receive the most diverse training, learning all three forms of haki, and not only was his training good enough to put him within arm’s length of learning advanced forms of haki, which neither of the other two have or are close to having, but it also gave him G4, which is by far better than anything the other two have, and he was able to come up with G4 because Rayleigh was such a good teacher that he understood how to incorporate his haki with his devil fruit.

Luffy was by far the best trained.

Sanji didn't spend nearly as much time training Haki as Luffy and still had the best CoO feat before Future Sight.

Zoro has a fair chance in this arc of beating a YC on the first try with no help.

Luffy coming out of this as number one isn't from the training. He's the main character, he was and will always be number one.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Sanji didn't spend nearly as much time training Haki as Luffy and still had the best CoO feat before Future Sight.

Zoro has a fair chance in this arc of beating a YC on the first try with no help.

Luffy coming out of this as number one isn't from the training. He's the main character, he was and will always be number one.

Katakuri can only see a few seconds ahead, meaning he only saw Sanji dodging the priest.
Sanji knew about the priest beforehand, also knew about Katakuri.

Luffy literally dodged Katakuri for hours in a normal fight, Luffy CoO > Sanji CoO.
Luffy also was the first to notice Caribou in FI, the others only when Luffy referred to it.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Sanji didn't know the exact second Katakuri would shoot on him. That was a dodge. Meanwhile when we're first shown Luffy in 880 after the explosion, he's on the ground with his ass kicked. He only eventually got to the point of dodging through continuous fighting.

You're getting away from the point I made though. I'm saying that Sanji was at a level of legit Haki with probably about half the training Luffy had on that. Fighting was just a second place development to his real skill, cooking, so his actual training was the personal best for him.

You might also say Chopper didn't have good training because of his kung Fu, but considering that he cured three plagues and saved Luffy's life directly once already I'd say that Kung Fu wasn't the point.

 

[L o g i a]

Of course mihawk is in the ballpark of the yonkos

You literally missed the entire point

 

[L o g i a]

Oda smokes the same, i can ask him if you want.
Yes sanji's training was the perfect for HIM but was not enough against strong people.

Where did i say zoro is yonkou lvl ? But he was fighting against a guy who is at least yonkou lvl. Your training and experience are another lvl. Rayleigh didn't give to luffy any wound as we know. Zoro is just 21 years old and lost a fucking eye, remember living the rest of your life without an eye just for a training.

It should be between zoro and luffy. IMO zoro that's all.

The question is who had the best teacher

not who trained the hardest

Personally I'd like to keep my eyes in my sockets - I'm glad none of my teachers ever cut an eye out. They'd lose their job. Not exactly a sign of a great teacher

Pre TS Luffy >= Zoro > Sanji
Post TS Luffy >>> Zoro > Sanji
Luffy's left the others in the DUST boi. It's obvious to me who had the best teacher. Just look at the results; Luffy is merking and contending with characters that would possible OS or low diff Zoro and Sanji. It's obvious.

 

[L o g i a]

Sanji didn't know the exact second Katakuri would shoot on him. That was a dodge. Meanwhile when we're first shown Luffy in 880 after the explosion, he's on the ground with his ass kicked. He only eventually got to the point of dodging through continuous fighting.

You're getting away from the point I made though. I'm saying that Sanji was at a level of legit Haki with probably about half the training Luffy had on that. Fighting was just a second place development to his real skill, cooking, so his actual training was the personal best for him.

You might also say Chopper didn't have good training because of his kung Fu, but considering that he cured three plagues and saved Luffy's life directly once already I'd say that Kung Fu wasn't the point.

Dont bother

Here it's all about Zoro and if you dont worship Zoro and lick his ass then you're scum

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Sanji didn't know the exact second Katakuri would shoot on him. That was a dodge. Meanwhile when we're first shown Luffy in 880 after the explosion, he's on the ground with his ass kicked. He only eventually got to the point of dodging through continuous fighting.

You're getting away from the point I made though. I'm saying that Sanji was at a level of legit Haki with probably about half the training Luffy had on that. Fighting was just a second place development to his real skill, cooking, so his actual training was the personal best for him.

You might also say Chopper didn't have good training because of his kung Fu, but considering that he cured three plagues and saved Luffy's life directly once already I'd say that Kung Fu wasn't the point.

He knew because it was the moment the priest would attack, pretty easy concept.
I would dare to say Sanji can count a few seconds in his mind.

You also miss how FS works. When Katakuri saw the future, it was at the point of the priest starting to pull his gun, and heck even before, when Pudding started crying due to Sanji´s words.
He only saw the future from that point on, and acted based on that.

Against Luffy, he started from his own attack, saw Luffy dodging, and then acted on it, example
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https://v217.mangabeast.com/manga/One-Piece/0879-014.png

Two different stages of FS usage.

Not really getting away from it since you were trying to make a point of Sanji having better Haki color than Luffy despite the latter specifically training for it (and whatever that might imply for other characters), which is wrong.
Sanji´s cooking certainly got better, but that´s irrelevant to the point you were making regarding CoO.

Also, Chopper´s knowledge of the herbs directly related to him developing new forms and mastering Monster Point, since they are so potent, he can actually stay conscious now.
Sanji´s cooking skills do not influence his combat.
And the time Oda tried to make it relevant in an arc, he failed doing what he set out to do.

 

[trav]

come one. Ray never bothered to explain or teach Luffy any elaborate haki concept.
he send the lad off to die, basically.

Ray knew what top tiers can do and thought he let Luffy figure it out on his own while knowing full well that Luffy was about to confront them.
we saw how prepared Luffy was when he got bodied hard by Kaido. some training by Ray that was.

this could be true for Zoro aswell, but as of now he seems better prepared for the New World than Luffy.

 

[HA001]

The question is who had the best teacher

not who trained the hardest

Personally I'd like to keep my eyes in my sockets - I'm glad none of my teachers ever cut an eye out. They'd lose their job. Not exactly a sign of a great teacher

Pre TS Luffy >= Zoro > Sanji
Post TS Luffy >>> Zoro > Sanji
Luffy's left the others in the DUST boi. It's obvious to me who had the best teacher. Just look at the results; Luffy is merking and contending with characters that would possible OS or low diff Zoro and Sanji. It's obvious.

The fact that he lost an eye shows how extreme his training was. The more extreme it was and the more he was pushed the more you grow.
Luffy capped around doffy level with his training then had 2 further extreme fights to reach yc1. If zoro goes into a fight with king without a single one its undeniable zoro came back stronger.

 

[OEKaneki]

Sanji didn't spend nearly as much time training Haki as Luffy and still had the best CoO feat before Future Sight.

Zoro has a fair chance in this arc of beating a YC on the first try with no help.

Luffy coming out of this as number one isn't from the training. He's the main character, he was and will always be number one.

That’s false. Luffy had better CoO. Sanji did not have better CoO feats than Luffy.

No, he doesn’t. He’s not beating a YC1 without help. Even if he were to, this comes three arcs into the New World after he’s already had a more recent training session that his new strenght, whatever that may be, can be attributed to that most recent training, as he would have been slaughtered by a YC1 without it. Luffy did not need a second training session before he got that far, and walked through a gauntlet of Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri without it.

The answer is Luffy, by far. He was clearly the most prepared.

 

[HA001]

That’s false. Luffy had better CoO. Sanji did not have better CoO feats than Luffy.

No, he doesn’t. He’s not beating a YC1 without help. Even if he were to, this comes three arcs into the New World after he’s already had a more recent training session that his new strenght, whatever that may be, can be attributed to that most recent training, as he would have been slaughtered by a YC1 without it. Luffy did not need a second training session before he got that far, and walked through a gauntlet of Doflamingo, Cracker, and Katakuri without it.

The answer is Luffy, by far. He was clearly the most prepared.

Except without help he doesnt beat doffy
Without nami he dies to cracker
And without brulee and a whole load of other shit he dies to kata.
Luffys training capped him around doffy level if not below.
Zoro isnt gonna have 3 extreme fights to reach that level like luffy did. Proving zoros training was the best.

 

[Aknolagon]

The question is who had the best teacher

not who trained the hardest

Personally I'd like to keep my eyes in my sockets - I'm glad none of my teachers ever cut an eye out. They'd lose their job. Not exactly a sign of a great teacher

Pre TS Luffy >= Zoro > Sanji
Post TS Luffy >>> Zoro > Sanji
Luffy's left the others in the DUST boi. It's obvious to me who had the best teacher. Just look at the results; Luffy is merking and contending with characters that would possible OS or low diff Zoro and Sanji. It's obvious.

Because doffy and kata had a fight against zoro and they wrecked him ? Any panel or proof ? Obvious for you because you are a luffy fanboy. It's just for you a shame if zoro got a better training.

Everything should be related to luffy, lick his balls and if not you are scum right ? Lol.

 

[L o g i a]

The fact that he lost an eye shows how extreme his training was. The more extreme it was and the more he was pushed the more you grow.
Luffy capped around doffy level with his training then had 2 further extreme fights to reach yc1. If zoro goes into a fight with king without a single one its undeniable zoro came back stronger.

Zoro never has nor ever will be stronger than Luffy. By default Luffy came back stronger. There's nothing to argue here. The only captain that hasnt been BY FAR the strongest crewmate was Buggy, and the whole point of his character is to be a complete joke