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Who had the best training?


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Because doffy and kata had a fight against zoro and they wrecked him ? Any panel or proof ? Obvious for you because you are a luffy fanboy. It's just for you a shame if zoro got a better training.

Everything should be related to luffy, lick his balls and if not you are scum right ? Lol.
I'm a luffy fanboy? I thought i was a Sanji fanboy? Or, perhaps, I disagree with you and that's perfectly acceptable and not deserving of being slurred and generalised

@italics what are you even arguing here? All your posts come across as pointless and disjointed summations that don't cohesively form a point
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Zoro never has nor ever will be stronger than Luffy. By default Luffy came back stronger. There's nothing to argue here. The only captain that hasnt been BY FAR the strongest crewmate was Buggy, and the whole point of his character is to be a complete joke
Thats your biased opinion.
Like i said if zoro goes straight into a fight against king its undeniable proof he came back stronger
 
Thats your biased opinion.
Like i said if zoro goes straight into a fight against king its undeniable proof he came back stronger
All opinions are bias. You cannot have an opinion without being bias. This is ridiculous.

Well, that's not necessarily true because Zoro's getting/received a huge powerup through Enma, and we know from previous examples pre-TS that the quality of the sword DRASTICALLY affects a swordsmans strength. The way I see it, Zoro needs Enma just to stay relevant at this point.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
All opinions are bias. You cannot have an opinion without being bias. This is ridiculous.

Well, that's not necessarily true because Zoro's getting/received a huge powerup through Enma, and we know from previous examples pre-TS that the quality of the sword DRASTICALLY affects a swordsmans strength. The way I see it, Zoro needs Enma just to stay relevant at this point.
That is exactly true. Youre advocating zoro has gone from vet level (below luffy) to be able to fight a yc1. Thats complete utter shit.
Enma has changed absolutely 0 of zoros stats bar haki mastery and now he can use a sword like any other sword.
There is no attacks he couldnt do before that he can now nor is he faster or physically stronger because of it.
That training doesnt atest to that big of a difference.
Luffy needed 3 extreme fights to push him to reach yc1. Yet if zoro does it with only one there can be no doubt who came back stronger.
 
That is exactly true. Youre advocating zoro has gone from vet level (below luffy) to be able to fight a yc1. Thats complete utter shit.
Enma has changed absolutely 0 of zoros stats bar haki mastery and now he can use a sword like any other sword.
There is no attacks he couldnt do before that he can now nor is he faster or physically stronger because of it.
That training doesnt atest to that big of a difference.
Luffy needed 3 extreme fights to push him to reach yc1. Yet if zoro does it with only one there can be no doubt who came back stronger.
When Zoro received new swords before, the sharpness of his attacks, speed of his attacks and range of his attacks as well as his defensive/blocking capabilities all drastically improved as a result - without additional training. The same is the case with Enma. I doubt Zoro could even fight a YC3 right now without proof.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
When Zoro received new swords before, the sharpness of his attacks, speed of his attacks and range of his attacks as well as his defensive/blocking capabilities all drastically improved as a result - without additional training. The same is the case with Enma. I doubt Zoro could even fight a YC3 right now without proof.
Except the sword he swapped out was superior.
Last time it was Yubashiri for shusui shusui was far superior.
This time its shusui for enma whilst both the same rank shusui is a black blade. So until enma is black too its shusui > Enma
Of course you dont. Thats why youre trying to give me nonsense like enma atesting bigger growth for zoro than luffy having 3 extreme fights with doffy cracker and kata.
 
Except the sword he swapped out was superior.
Last time it was Yubashiri for shusui shusui was far superior.
This time its shusui for enma whilst both the same rank shusui is a black blade. So until enma is black too its shusui > Enma
Of course you dont. Thats why youre trying to give me nonsense like enma atesting bigger growth for zoro than luffy having 3 extreme fights with doffy cracker and kata.
Technically no.
The difference between Yubashiri and Shusui was one grade's difference
Enma is the same grade as Shusui, but there is a clear disparity in their quality - iirc it was commented that Enma was almost good enough to be a Saijo O Wazomono - the top possible grade of sword. Shusui had to become a black blade to enter the same rank as Enma, which isn't a black blade - the quality of Enma is clearly superior. A black blade Enma will be Saijo O Wazomono, not just an O Wazomono.

Point is, Shusui is not superior to Enma. They are amongst the same grade so they're currently comparable, with Enma being hyped to shit.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Technically no.
The difference between Yubashiri and Shusui was one grade's difference
Enma is the same grade as Shusui, but there is a clear disparity in their quality - iirc it was commented that Enma was almost good enough to be a Saijo O Wazomono - the top possible grade of sword. Shusui had to become a black blade to enter the same rank as Enma, which isn't a black blade - the quality of Enma is clearly superior. A black blade Enma will be Saijo O Wazomono, not just an O Wazomono.

Point is, Shusui is not superior to Enma. They are amongst the same grade so they're currently comparable, with Enma being hyped to shit.
Nope. They are the same grade right now. Only when enma is perma black it surpasses shusui as a sword. As they are currently the same grade the point goes to the black blade.
Shusui has its own hype it was used to signlehandly keep wano the city of gold safe from pirates nobles thieves etc and cut down dragons in one fell swoop.
 
Nope. They are the same grade right now. Only when enma is perma black it surpasses shusui as a sword. As they are currently the same grade the point goes to the black blade.
Shusui has its own hype it was used to signlehandly keep wano the city of gold safe from pirates nobles thieves etc and cut down dragons in one fell swoop.
That cannot be true
Shusui was only elevated to its current categorisation because it is black. If it were in the O Wazomono category before being black, it would have been elevated to Saijo O Wazomono. Therefore, the basic sword, unaltered, is inferior to Enma. Enma therefore is clearly an upgrade regardless of it is is black or not; the actual quality of the sword itself is far superior. It. Cut. Kaido. Kaido >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dragons. This feat is far superior hype. - Oda isn't hyping stuff up for the sake of pointlessness.

Anyway, original point being, Enma is a massive powerup even if we ignore the necessity to train CoA further. Zoro with Enma is still a mystery but you can't say he will be YC1 tier; there's literally zero proof he can even fight YC3s. The end result of their training post skip has Luffy shitting on the other two - G4 would ragdoll both of them, completely. This would probably be true even if Zoro and Sanji tried to fight G4 together. They wouldn't even make a dent on Luffy either. Luffy's CoA is at least as good as Zoros (though probably superior) and his CoO is at least as good as Sanjis (though probably superior). This is still a relevant comparison right at the start of the timeskip too - even in FI, Luffy had superior feats in both types of Haki, without even going into CoC. Luffy was trained in THREE forms of Haki, unlike the other two and even in the types they all trained in, Luffy was superior.

Even with these results, Luffy trained for 6 months less than the other two and achieved superior results (or comparable results because you're too stubborn to accept Zoro is not a god can in fact be second best). The time to achieve must also be taken into account and six months is an enormous positive score for Rayleigh as a teacher.

How can you honestly say, even when Luffy > Zoro's CoA, Luffy > Sanji's CoO AND he has G4, with multiple forms giving him greater dexterity in combat, that Zoro, who has literally DECREASED in durability (see fight with Killer versus his fight with Kuma for comparison) over the timeskip, who literally can BARELY use CoO to a competent level (he was struggling to find and predict Pica's movements), that Zoro had the best training? And why? Because Mihawk allowed for or he himself cut out Zoro's eye? Because Zoro hasn't fought anyone of extreme importance? I rarely use this word, but that is outright R E T A R D E D. Zoro not having fought anyone in full seriousness (though this is questionable, dude fought pretty hard and needed help against Pica) is not a point that serves to prove your opinion. It proves nothing. It only serves as a reminder that there's a lack of evidence that Zoro progressed much at all over the timeskip

I'm not addressing the Enma issue anymore, it's clearly pointless. You cant accept Zoro is getting a powerup. I've seen your logic on threads - ever since Enma became relevant you've been saying Zoro YC1 or whatever as if it is a powerup, but if that's the case why do you still insist Shusui is better? Your logic makes no sense. There's no cohesiveness to your argument. There are no cohesive thoughts that serve the betterment of your points. It's all a scattered mess in your head and you're just regurgitating excuses into the type-box every time you post anything on here. There's no argument to prove Zoro came out of the timeskip better than Luffy at anything - there's the possibility Zoro weakened in some regards all the while Luffy provably (in fact definitely) achieved results much faster and in several extra aspects Zoro isn't even capable of performing outright to begin with (transformation, CoC) as well as all the fields/stats they both can be compared (CoA, CoC, Speed, Durability etc).

Just because Mihawk is what Zoro wants to be doesnt make him a better teacher. Luffy is definitely a shitty student, Zoro is definitely not, and yet, the yield of Rayleigh's training has bared fruit, Zoro's in Luffy's shadow more now than ever before. So when you come around saying Zoro hasn't been that active and he lost his eye, that just signals how BAD a teacher Mihawk actually is compared to Rayleigh. The only way to interpret it positively is if you have an unhealthy obsession with Zoro. I'm sorry mate, but the wank has gone too far this time. It's time you reassess everything.
 
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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
That cannot be true
Shusui was only elevated to its current categorisation because it is black. If it were in the O Wazomono category before being black, it would have been elevated to Saijo O Wazomono. Therefore, the basic sword, unaltered, is inferior to Enma. Enma therefore is clearly an upgrade regardless of it is is black or not; the actual quality of the sword itself is far superior. It. Cut. Kaido. Kaido >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dragons. This feat is far superior hype. - Oda isn't hyping stuff up for the sake of pointlessness.

Anyway, original point being, Enma is a massive powerup even if we ignore the necessity to train CoA further. Zoro with Enma is still a mystery but you can't say he will be YC1 tier; there's literally zero proof he can even fight YC3s. The end result of their training post skip has Luffy shitting on the other two - G4 would ragdoll both of them, completely. This would probably be true even if Zoro and Sanji tried to fight G4 together. They wouldn't even make a dent on Luffy either. Luffy's CoA is at least as good as Zoros (though probably superior) and his CoO is at least as good as Sanjis (though probably superior). This is still a relevant comparison right at the start of the timeskip too - even in FI, Luffy had superior feats in both types of Haki, without even going into CoC. Luffy was trained in THREE forms of Haki, unlike the other two and even in the types they all trained in, Luffy was superior.

Even with these results, Luffy trained for 6 months less than the other two and achieved superior results (or comparable results because you're too stubborn to accept Zoro is not a god can in fact be second best). The time to achieve must also be taken into account and six months is an enormous positive score for Rayleigh as a teacher.

How can you honestly say, even when Luffy > Zoro's CoA, Luffy > Sanji's CoO AND he has G4, with multiple forms giving him greater dexterity in combat, that Zoro, who has literally DECREASED in durability (see fight with Killer versus his fight with Kuma for comparison) over the timeskip, who literally can BARELY use CoO to a competent level (he was struggling to find and predict Pica's movements), that Zoro had the best training? And why? Because Mihawk allowed for or he himself cut out Zoro's eye? Because Zoro hasn't fought anyone of extreme importance? I rarely use this word, but that is outright R E T A R D E D. Zoro not having fought anyone in full seriousness (though this is questionable, dude fought pretty hard and needed help against Pica) is not a point that serves to prove your opinion. It proves nothing. It only serves as a reminder that there's a lack of evidence that Zoro progressed much at all over the timeskip

I'm not addressing the Enma issue anymore, it's clearly pointless. You cant accept Zoro is getting a powerup. I've seen your logic on threads - ever since Enma became relevant you've been saying Zoro YC1 or whatever as if it is a powerup, but if that's the case why do you still insist Shusui is better? Your logic makes no sense. There's no cohesiveness to your argument. There are no cohesive thoughts that serve the betterment of your points. It's all a scattered mess in your head and you're just regurgitating excuses into the type-box every time you post anything on here. There's no argument to prove Zoro came out of the timeskip better than Luffy at anything - there's the possibility Zoro weakened in some regards all the while Luffy provably (in fact definitely) achieved results much faster and in several extra aspects Zoro isn't even capable of performing outright to begin with (transformation, CoC) as well as all the fields/stats they both can be compared (CoA, CoC, Speed, Durability etc).

Just because Mihawk is what Zoro wants to be doesnt make him a better teacher. Luffy is definitely a shitty student, Zoro is definitely not, and yet, the yield of Rayleigh's training has bared fruit, Zoro's in Luffy's shadow more now than ever before. So when you come around saying Zoro hasn't been that active and he lost his eye, that just signals how BAD a teacher Mihawk actually is compared to Rayleigh. The only way to interpret it positively is if you have an unhealthy obsession with Zoro. I'm sorry mate, but the wank has gone too far this time. It's time you reassess everything.
It doesnt matter if the rank rose they are the same rank now but one is a black blade so its better. Both swords cut kaido so what that one aint better than shusui either.
Luffys coa is shit compared to zoros it was broken or stated to be weaker than all his opponents post timeskip bar cesar.
You cant use coo to find pica in the golem.
Thats the whole point you say hes barely progressed since he come back but if he beats king then that means he always had the power to do so.
Unlike luffy who capped below doffy.
Zoro is yet to use his pre skip power up or anything new he may have learned.
What can zoro do with enma he cant with shuishi ?
 
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Holy shit youre dumb as fuck. As if you wasted my time and your time writing all that shit
It doesnt matter if the rank rose you pleb they are the same rank now but one is a black blade so its better. Both swords cut kaido so what that one aint better than shusui either.
Luffys coa is shit compared to zoros it was broken or stated to be weaker than all his opponents post timeskip bar cesar.
You cant use coo to find pica in the golem pleb.
Thats the whole point you thick fuck you say hes barely progressed since he come back but if he beats king then that means he always had the power to do so.
Unlike luffy who capped below doffy.
Zoro is yet to use his pre skip power up or anything new he may have learned.
What can zoro do with enma he cant with shuishi ?
lmfao

Point 1 - Black blade does not mean better. Think of it like Haki - the black blade is a compliment to the original quality, not the quality itself
Point 2 - Pure headcanon - Luffy has fought guys like Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri - it's not unreasonable for his CoA to have been inferior, however, that being said, says nothing of Zoro
Point 3 - Zoro literally used CoO to search for Pica in their fight on several occasions - where was that ever stated?
Point 4 - If he beats King then that has no baring on how strong he was at the start of the timeskip - as i said, Enma is a very big deal, especially since it demands Zoro massively improve his CoA before even being used
Point 5 - I mean, you're right he did, but the actual power of G4 ragdolled Doffy, it simply didn't last long enough
Point 6 - he showed us plenty of new stuff in FI and his fight against Pica, don't make excuses
As for your question; we dont know yet but I expect after Enma his CoA will drastically improve, meaning his CQC is more competitive with the relevant fighters, his defensive ability dramatically improves (we don't want a Kamazou repeat now do we?) and his attack power and the sharpness/penetrative ability of his attacks would also improve. Furthermore, Enma demanded greater control, something which will no doubt positively impact everything Zoro does. Zoro is literally going to be tier-jumping because of Enma regardless of if you agree/disagree over Shusui vs Enma. He has to simply to be able to use it.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
lmfao

Point 1 - Black blade does not mean better. Think of it like Haki - the black blade is a compliment to the original quality, not the quality itself
Point 2 - Pure headcanon - Luffy has fought guys like Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri - it's not unreasonable for his CoA to have been inferior, however, that being said, says nothing of Zoro
Point 3 - Zoro literally used CoO to search for Pica in their fight on several occasions - where was that ever stated?
Point 4 - If he beats King then that has no baring on how strong he was at the start of the timeskip - as i said, Enma is a very big deal, especially since it demands Zoro massively improve his CoA before even being used
Point 5 - I mean, you're right he did, but the actual power of G4 ragdolled Doffy, it simply didn't last long enough
Point 6 - he showed us plenty of new stuff in FI and his fight against Pica, don't make excuses
As for your question; we dont know yet but I expect after Enma his CoA will drastically improve, meaning his CQC is more competitive with the relevant fighters, his defensive ability dramatically improves (we don't want a Kamazou repeat now do we?) and his attack power and the sharpness/penetrative ability of his attacks would also improve. Furthermore, Enma demanded greater control, something which will no doubt positively impact everything Zoro does. Zoro is literally going to be tier-jumping because of Enma regardless of if you agree/disagree over Shusui vs Enma. He has to simply to be able to use it.
Nope this is more nonsense. All your points are bullshit.
 
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