Character Discussion Most Selfish Straw Hat
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No at least not in a sense that this thread is implying, no straw hat besides Sanji is selfish in that sense.
But I mean the term selfishness is not as straightforward as we think. Even Zoro is selfish on some level you know.
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But I mean the term selfishness is not as straightforward as we think. Even Zoro is selfish on some level you know.
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Listen. I don't know you IRL but it looks like you have a really low tolerance for stuff like jokes and shit.
This is a manga forum. Not AA meeting, not political meeting, not veteran meeting.
90% of this forum users troll, bait, joke with each other for the majority of the time.
If someone on the street would tell you that he wants to do be a pirate like his favorite fictional character would you fucking believe him because he said so based on manga?
C'mon
This is a manga forum. Not AA meeting, not political meeting, not veteran meeting.
90% of this forum users troll, bait, joke with each other for the majority of the time.
If someone on the street would tell you that he wants to do be a pirate like his favorite fictional character would you fucking believe him because he said so based on manga?
C'mon
I would put Nami first, what she did for her village when she was still a kid (kids are selfish by nature) was very impressive.
Zoro was often highlighted as one of the ones to be willing to sacrifice the more among the straw hats (against Kuma, when he asked Mihawk to train him, when he was about to cut off his legs in little garden).
Luffy has also done a lot of unselfish relevant acts imo.
So they are my top 3 of unselfish straw hats.
Zoro was often highlighted as one of the ones to be willing to sacrifice the more among the straw hats (against Kuma, when he asked Mihawk to train him, when he was about to cut off his legs in little garden).
Luffy has also done a lot of unselfish relevant acts imo.
So they are my top 3 of unselfish straw hats.
Listen. I don't know you IRL but it looks like you have a really low tolerance for stuff like jokes and shit.
This is a manga forum. Not AA meeting, not political meeting, not veteran meeting.
90% of this forum users troll, bait, joke with each other for the majority of the time.
If someone on the street would tell you that he wants to do be a pirate like his favorite fictional character would you fucking believe him because he said so based on manga?
C'mon
This is a manga forum. Not AA meeting, not political meeting, not veteran meeting.
90% of this forum users troll, bait, joke with each other for the majority of the time.
If someone on the street would tell you that he wants to do be a pirate like his favorite fictional character would you fucking believe him because he said so based on manga?
C'mon
And on the other note, if like you say some random person comes to me and say I support such character for abandoning their parents for no apparent reason or any other unexusable thing a character commits and he even stay steadfast on that opinion even after I rebuke him then I bet your ass I will have a lowly opinion of said person. It doesn't just exuse it by later saying "It's just for laughs bro, don't take it seriously."
Anyway it's in the past now so let's just bygone be bygones. All I want to say is I'm sorry for being hard on you in my first reply to you. The subject is just a bit sensitive for me you see so my bad again on that part. Somethings are just not meant to be used as bait just for having fun as you said, so try not to be prideful and be clear next time.
1. Sanji sends Nami, Brook and Chopper away from Bege's body, saving them.
2. Sanji tells them he needs to deal with something, but will be back.
3. Luffy decides not to wait. Wants to go after him now. (You can argue that Luffy was the one that didn't believe in Sanji's word of coming back, but I find that very cheap.)
4. Sanji gets blackmailed.
5. Luffy finds Sanji after he has already been blackmailed and his spirit already was crushed.
6. Sanji decides to cut ties with the crew, in order no minimize the losses. If they interfere more and dont leave right now, they might get fucked.
7. He believes in Pudding's words. He actually thinks Pudding is the only ray of hope in this dark situation he's in. He is on the verge of losing everything he hold dear in life. His father, his ability to cook, his friends, probably also his dream of finding All Blue. AT LEAST he has someone that "loves" him.
8. He finds out Pudding is lying. His last ray of hope was now extinguished. A nice parallel was drawn here. During Baratie, Sanji was overhearing Zeff, the cooks and Luffy talking about him, how he should go with Luffy and go after his dream. They all love the soup he's made and will miss him greatly. He realizes he has a home there, with people that love him. Considering his background with the Vinsmokes, that's a MAJOR thing for him. He lights his cigar and sits there, on the other side of the door, realizing he's found something good. He joins Luffy after that and then we have the "farewell" scene. In WCI, after he hears Pudding, he once more tries to light his cigar, only to fail. This time there's isn't "hope" on the other side of the wall, there's only confirmation that he's fucked. He has NOTHING at this point....until he goes back to Luffy.
9. Despite the bento was made for Pudding, it was filled with all the favorite foods from the SH's, to show that he still thinks about them and would like to share with Pudding, who at the time was still nice, something special to him. he delivers it to Luffy.
10. Luffy confronts Sanji. He knows Sanji was not being honest when he said he wanted to leave the crew. The confronts Sanji to say what truly is in his heart. Like Nami, and Robin moments, Sanji states his true wish of going back to the Sunny, but he doesn't want to abandon the Vinsmokes, since he knows they will also be assassinated. Zeff wouldn't want Sanji to do such a thing. Luffy open up a smile and says "of course. that's how you are. Let's crash the wedding." and simply accepts him back, like he never had left.
There's 0 "pervert gag" involved here. If you hate Sanji for the pervert gag, you shouldnt consider it here. If you still think this is bad, or should be resolved with a simple "he should have trusted luffy from the start", I truly don't know what to say, except that the reasons you like One Piece are completely different from my reasons. Nothing I would say would convince you of anything, much like nothing you would say would convince me. That's because we come from completely different angles when looking at this story and how it impacts us as readers.
Having said that, Whole Cake Island is awesome. The Vinsmokes' plot, although unnecessary, was done really freaking well. It is the only post time skip arc that I enjoy as much as the pre TS ones. Being my 4th favorite one in the entire story.
Peace.
2. Sanji tells them he needs to deal with something, but will be back.
3. Luffy decides not to wait. Wants to go after him now. (You can argue that Luffy was the one that didn't believe in Sanji's word of coming back, but I find that very cheap.)
4. Sanji gets blackmailed.
5. Luffy finds Sanji after he has already been blackmailed and his spirit already was crushed.
6. Sanji decides to cut ties with the crew, in order no minimize the losses. If they interfere more and dont leave right now, they might get fucked.
7. He believes in Pudding's words. He actually thinks Pudding is the only ray of hope in this dark situation he's in. He is on the verge of losing everything he hold dear in life. His father, his ability to cook, his friends, probably also his dream of finding All Blue. AT LEAST he has someone that "loves" him.
8. He finds out Pudding is lying. His last ray of hope was now extinguished. A nice parallel was drawn here. During Baratie, Sanji was overhearing Zeff, the cooks and Luffy talking about him, how he should go with Luffy and go after his dream. They all love the soup he's made and will miss him greatly. He realizes he has a home there, with people that love him. Considering his background with the Vinsmokes, that's a MAJOR thing for him. He lights his cigar and sits there, on the other side of the door, realizing he's found something good. He joins Luffy after that and then we have the "farewell" scene. In WCI, after he hears Pudding, he once more tries to light his cigar, only to fail. This time there's isn't "hope" on the other side of the wall, there's only confirmation that he's fucked. He has NOTHING at this point....until he goes back to Luffy.
9. Despite the bento was made for Pudding, it was filled with all the favorite foods from the SH's, to show that he still thinks about them and would like to share with Pudding, who at the time was still nice, something special to him. he delivers it to Luffy.
10. Luffy confronts Sanji. He knows Sanji was not being honest when he said he wanted to leave the crew. The confronts Sanji to say what truly is in his heart. Like Nami, and Robin moments, Sanji states his true wish of going back to the Sunny, but he doesn't want to abandon the Vinsmokes, since he knows they will also be assassinated. Zeff wouldn't want Sanji to do such a thing. Luffy open up a smile and says "of course. that's how you are. Let's crash the wedding." and simply accepts him back, like he never had left.
There's 0 "pervert gag" involved here. If you hate Sanji for the pervert gag, you shouldnt consider it here. If you still think this is bad, or should be resolved with a simple "he should have trusted luffy from the start", I truly don't know what to say, except that the reasons you like One Piece are completely different from my reasons. Nothing I would say would convince you of anything, much like nothing you would say would convince me. That's because we come from completely different angles when looking at this story and how it impacts us as readers.
Having said that, Whole Cake Island is awesome. The Vinsmokes' plot, although unnecessary, was done really freaking well. It is the only post time skip arc that I enjoy as much as the pre TS ones. Being my 4th favorite one in the entire story.
Peace.
Luffy is selfish for silly reasons like meat, adventure, wanting to brave dangers etc....but at the same time he is very caring and loving for his friends...and yeah, he is extremely selfish from that perspective.....why do you think his crew still follow him eventhough he is extremely selfish? why many people want to help him even when he is extremely selfish?......let's see all his "selfish" acts....
Yeah, Luffy is extremely selfish for his friends, meat, adventure.
- Picked a fight with Alvida to save Coby and his dreams
- Picked a fight with Navy to save Zoro because Zoro is not evil and wants him to be in his crew
- Picked a fight with Arlong to gave freedom to Nami and her dreams
- Picked a fight with government backed exremely powerful pirate for Vivi
- Picked a fight with the whole world just to save one nakama
- Picked a fight with celestal dragon to save Camie
- Infiltrated the cruelest prison to rescue his brother
- Picked a fight with entire navy force to save his brother
- Picked a fight with BigMom to save fishman island
- Picked a fight with Doflamingo because Rebbeca fed him meat (lmao)
- Picked a fight with BigMom again to save Sanji even almost sacrificed his both hands
- Picked a fight with Kaido because of Tama (who fed him) and Momo
Yeah, Luffy is extremely selfish for his friends, meat, adventure.
Luffy's nuance as a shonen hero compared to others is that he is somewhat a taker in comparison. You can be unknowingly selfish in nature and do things on your own terms and desires. Luffy has always done things that he has wanted, whether or not the people wanted that to happen. By definition this is selfish. In the end he ends up helping others, but the pushing in of itself is selfish. This is just one example. His support for friends is usually out of his intuition about the situation, in a very one dimensional way of persistence that overpowers. He does things out of people's interest all the time as a dominant force. Just because folks eventually open up and believe in him, does not mean the method in of itself isn't selfish.
Luffy is selfish and good natured at the same time. Its like that of a child's sense of the word.
Luffy is selfish and good natured at the same time. Its like that of a child's sense of the word.