Versus Battle Mother Flame (One Piece) vs Goku and Piccolo (Beginning of DBZ)
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Hard to tell, Raditz tanked a moon destroyer point blank but he was also almost 3x than them irrc
if we’re being generous I’ll have it at they barely survive the attack, near death experience
if we’re being generous I’ll have it at they barely survive the attack, near death experience
2nd: can Mother Flame actually bust a planet as ours? It highly depends on what Mother Flame is capable of when being used on other planets.
I think neither Goku nor Piccolo can take such a beam like that. As you said, maybe with near death experience.
1. The idea of the One Piece world being larger than ours is derived from the Alabasta scaling which is ridiculous imo. I highly doubt Oda was being accurate with those numbers. I think when in doubt it is safe to assume the earths of these shonen are based off ours. So imo DB Earth= One Piece Earth until there’s solid proof(basically Oda himself saying it)
2. I think at best mother flame is an island buster. The after effects of it are natural. If a Supermassive volcano erupted and sank an island we would be feeling the after effects around the world
2. I think at best mother flame is an island buster. The after effects of it are natural. If a Supermassive volcano erupted and sank an island we would be feeling the after effects around the world
The destruction caused worldwide earthquakes, how is the "actual destruction" being just island level? This attack surpassed everything what Whitebeard demonstrated and dude is country-continental with his attacks.
It's not about Post Nappa fight Goku and Vegeta, it's about Goku and Piccolo before they fought Radditz.
Well, Alabasta is a country large enough to which you have to travel a few days between villages, so I think Alabasta is decently large. Far larger than DR which has massive landscapes and several towns. Yet, Alabasta is just a small thing in the One Piece globe, the same like Wano. So I'd say that OP world is massively larger because no country like Alabasta would look so freaking small in our globe. I purposely excluded the Alabasta calcs because people rarely accept these but Alabasta is factually large. It was a river which is 50km in width; that's canon information. And the several days travel between villages highly indicates that the country is at least a few hundreds of KM in size.
I mean, look how small Alabasta looks just in bird-view (btw, the Capital is 10km in width):
And keep in mind, Alabasta is just one of the countless islands which exist in the OP world:
The 20 million is most likely just a hyperbole but it puts into perspective how many islands exist so that it's not countable.
When did Oda say OP world is the same like DB's? Source?
Well, the energy being released which caused worldwide earthquakes, thus shifting tectonic plates all around the world, and tsunamis (as I highlighted above, OP world > ours in size) is surely way higher than any supervolcano in our world can pull out, not to mention the sea level rising 1m. I doubt a super volcano rises sea level on 1m. That's some development which we will face in 2100 with bad climate changes.
It's not about Post Nappa fight Goku and Vegeta, it's about Goku and Piccolo before they fought Radditz.
Well, Alabasta is a country large enough to which you have to travel a few days between villages, so I think Alabasta is decently large. Far larger than DR which has massive landscapes and several towns. Yet, Alabasta is just a small thing in the One Piece globe, the same like Wano. So I'd say that OP world is massively larger because no country like Alabasta would look so freaking small in our globe. I purposely excluded the Alabasta calcs because people rarely accept these but Alabasta is factually large. It was a river which is 50km in width; that's canon information. And the several days travel between villages highly indicates that the country is at least a few hundreds of KM in size.
I mean, look how small Alabasta looks just in bird-view (btw, the Capital is 10km in width):
And keep in mind, Alabasta is just one of the countless islands which exist in the OP world:
The 20 million is most likely just a hyperbole but it puts into perspective how many islands exist so that it's not countable.
When did Oda say OP world is the same like DB's? Source?
Well, the energy being released which caused worldwide earthquakes, thus shifting tectonic plates all around the world, and tsunamis (as I highlighted above, OP world > ours in size) is surely way higher than any supervolcano in our world can pull out, not to mention the sea level rising 1m. I doubt a super volcano rises sea level on 1m. That's some development which we will face in 2100 with bad climate changes.
The destruction caused worldwide earthquakes, how is the "actual destruction" being just island level? This attack surpassed everything what Whitebeard demonstrated and dude is country-continental with his attacks.
It's not about Post Nappa fight Goku and Vegeta, it's about Goku and Piccolo before they fought Radditz.
Well, Alabasta is a country large enough to which you have to travel a few days between villages, so I think Alabasta is decently large. Far larger than DR which has massive landscapes and several towns. Yet, Alabasta is just a small thing in the One Piece globe, the same like Wano. So I'd say that OP world is massively larger because no country like Alabasta would look so freaking small in our globe. I purposely excluded the Alabasta calcs because people rarely accept these but Alabasta is factually large. It was a river which is 50km in width; that's canon information. And the several days travel between villages highly indicates that the country is at least a few hundreds of KM in size.
I mean, look how small Alabasta looks just in bird-view (btw, the Capital is 10km in width):
And keep in mind, Alabasta is just one of the countless islands which exist in the OP world:
The 20 million is most likely just a hyperbole but it puts into perspective how many islands exist so that it's not countable.
When did Oda say OP world is the same like DB's? Source?
Well, the energy being released which caused worldwide earthquakes, thus shifting tectonic plates all around the world, and tsunamis (as I highlighted above, OP world > ours in size) is surely way higher than any supervolcano in our world can pull out, not to mention the sea level rising 1m. I doubt a super volcano rises sea level on 1m. That's some development which we will face in 2100 with bad climate changes.
It's not about Post Nappa fight Goku and Vegeta, it's about Goku and Piccolo before they fought Radditz.
Well, Alabasta is a country large enough to which you have to travel a few days between villages, so I think Alabasta is decently large. Far larger than DR which has massive landscapes and several towns. Yet, Alabasta is just a small thing in the One Piece globe, the same like Wano. So I'd say that OP world is massively larger because no country like Alabasta would look so freaking small in our globe. I purposely excluded the Alabasta calcs because people rarely accept these but Alabasta is factually large. It was a river which is 50km in width; that's canon information. And the several days travel between villages highly indicates that the country is at least a few hundreds of KM in size.
I mean, look how small Alabasta looks just in bird-view (btw, the Capital is 10km in width):
And keep in mind, Alabasta is just one of the countless islands which exist in the OP world:
The 20 million is most likely just a hyperbole but it puts into perspective how many islands exist so that it's not countable.
When did Oda say OP world is the same like DB's? Source?
Well, the energy being released which caused worldwide earthquakes, thus shifting tectonic plates all around the world, and tsunamis (as I highlighted above, OP world > ours in size) is surely way higher than any supervolcano in our world can pull out, not to mention the sea level rising 1m. I doubt a super volcano rises sea level on 1m. That's some development which we will face in 2100 with bad climate changes.
So yeah, both tank the lasers easily
The lasers created a massive explosion which eradicated an entire island from its existence, created a massive abyss in the ocean, like that one in Enies Lobby, and caused said worldwide destruction. Don't look at the individual lasers, look at the result which they ultimately created.
Besides, it doesn't matter if we look at each individual laser since on this situation, Goku and Piccolo would take the entire thing.
BoS Goku and Piccolo are nearly not as strong as Radditz to think they would take such mass destruction weapons with no efforts.
Besides, it doesn't matter if we look at each individual laser since on this situation, Goku and Piccolo would take the entire thing.
BoS Goku and Piccolo are nearly not as strong as Radditz to think they would take such mass destruction weapons with no efforts.
Raditz literally gets scaling from Piccolo (and Roshi’s) Moon busting
Makes all the difference. That huge
explosion and following disasters were done by a prolonged kinetic bombardment of countless individual lasers over a single huge, instantaneous attack containing all the yield at once
It ain’t doing shit to either character
Makes all the difference. That huge
explosion and following disasters were done by a prolonged kinetic bombardment of countless individual lasers over a single huge, instantaneous attack containing all the yield at once
It ain’t doing shit to either character
The destruction happened immediately after the initial blast, which is the worldwide earthquakes and it followed for 6 entire days.
It fires several lasers but the combined yield result into a large explosion which shocked the world. That's also no "countless individual lasers"; several lasers are being fired simultaneously and created this massive explosion which completely engulfed an island.
So there is no difference. Even if you divide the yield by each individual laser, the energy output is far more than island level.
It fires several lasers but the combined yield result into a large explosion which shocked the world. That's also no "countless individual lasers"; several lasers are being fired simultaneously and created this massive explosion which completely engulfed an island.
So there is no difference. Even if you divide the yield by each individual laser, the energy output is far more than island level.
He never did, I am just saying I think they're both based off ours, and I would need Oda to tell me otherwise to believe it isn't.
I mean just for the longest people believed in the multiple moons theory thinking the OP world was unique, nowadays the consensus is that the diagram in Ohara was depicting geocentrism
I'll grant you that, do you believe the Mother Flame is enough to destroy a DB world assuming the OP world is bigger? The DB world is as big as current Earth in this scenario.
I mean just for the longest people believed in the multiple moons theory thinking the OP world was unique, nowadays the consensus is that the diagram in Ohara was depicting geocentrism
I'll grant you that, do you believe the Mother Flame is enough to destroy a DB world assuming the OP world is bigger? The DB world is as big as current Earth in this scenario.
Nope, straight after the initial explosion there were earthquakes and it immediately happened when the revos lost contact with Sabo.
The 6 days timeframe is when quakes and tsunamis happened all around the world.
You simply mixed it up. Don't mind it, mistakes can happen.
???
This feat nuked an entire island and shocked the entire world. How in the world is that unquantifiable?
I've been looking around for various battle forums, fanverse, VSBW and comicvine, and the general consensus is that this feat is planetary given the fact that it caused high destruction on a planet far larger than ours.
Of course there is a vocal minority who downplays this feat but come on, this feat is legit... and finally justifies why ancient weapons are viewed to be capable to destroy the world.
It's obvious there are levels of vaporising moons and shocking a large planet like One Piece.
You'd get higher values with shocking Jupiter than destroying our moon. Thus, being capable to destroy the moon doesn't give Piccolo the protection against MF.
Vegeta and Nappa would take it but Radditz would have issues with it, let alone BoS Goku and Piccolo.
The 6 days timeframe is when quakes and tsunamis happened all around the world.
You simply mixed it up. Don't mind it, mistakes can happen.
???
This feat nuked an entire island and shocked the entire world. How in the world is that unquantifiable?
I've been looking around for various battle forums, fanverse, VSBW and comicvine, and the general consensus is that this feat is planetary given the fact that it caused high destruction on a planet far larger than ours.
Of course there is a vocal minority who downplays this feat but come on, this feat is legit... and finally justifies why ancient weapons are viewed to be capable to destroy the world.
It's obvious there are levels of vaporising moons and shocking a large planet like One Piece.
You'd get higher values with shocking Jupiter than destroying our moon. Thus, being capable to destroy the moon doesn't give Piccolo the protection against MF.
Vegeta and Nappa would take it but Radditz would have issues with it, let alone BoS Goku and Piccolo.