Controversial Moubu won't be able to beat Man'U, until this happens....

[Xione]

Gonna leave this right here:

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Moubu moment that will happen in the future (history spoiler) that leaves him making the same face as Man'U:

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Until Moubu overcomes that scenario, he won't be capable of beating Man'U and delivering him the counter answer. Man'U is HIM. He's a man who has overcome that and found an answer that led to more growth in his prowess. We have yet to see another character go through that.



Man'U will be the big fight for Moubu during Chu, when Moubu has an answer to give to Man'U.

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Never thought I'd ever claim Man'U > Moubu, after making dozens of posts about how Moubu would've beat him eventually, but here I am. For anyone that might mention stats difference, martial boosters like weight/nothingness/etc will always override or make up the gap between raw talent. And Man'U has found something superior to having the burden of his whole nation on his shoulder.


This won't be fight between low IQ Apes smashing Maces self-proclaiming themselves to be the strongest. This will be a fight of great martial skill and prowess, but also the inner strength that empowers a person beyond their physical capabilities. A philosophical martial battle that hadn't happened since Ouki's lecture to Houken. Rather one can even look at this as Part 2 of that lecture that was started by Ouki. Ouki who gave a lecture on what weight is and what burdens make an individual stronger... Man'U vs Moubu will take us to the next level and show us how betrayal of burdens can be used to further empower oneself.


I'll await this fight for when Yasuhisa Hara draws it in 15 years from now, I hope you all join me as well with some popcorn and we can all bring our children to watch it alongside us (or grandkids if some of y'all are up there in age already).

 

[BanditKanki]

Why would Moubu become stronger if his attachment to SHK ends though ?

 

[Xione]

Why would Moubu become stronger if his attachment to SHK ends though ?

Because he has to counter Man'U's "nothingness". Man'U managed to become stronger after his burden betrayed him.
Man'U tells Moubu that his strength comes from the burden he carries. Just like how his own used to come from the burden he carried. However, he has since broken free from that burden and is liberated.

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If Moubu's strength comes his burden, what happens when the burden betrays him?? the source of his strength is no longer there. That's what Man'U overcame. And this is what's already being foreshadowed for Moubu.

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Ouki - never betrayed by his Burden ( King Sho and etc).
Shin - likely will never be betrayed his burden Ei Sei and etc, unless Sei turns heel.

This burden amplifying one's strength was also the reason why Ouki and Renpa looked down on Gaimou and didn't think it was worth fighting him. Because while you might be strong martially and what not, you don't have that burden that allows you to surpass your bodily limits like Ouki showcased against Houken. (This is completely separate from "Weight of a general")

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Man'U had something worth fighting for, that source that he was using to boost his strength no longer existed. After years now, he found his answer in nothingness to replace that source of strength which stemmed from his burden. So naturally Moubu in order to face a man who has overcome something we have not seen a single top tier go through and/or overcome... would also need to find his own answer, a source stronger than the burden from SHK.

 

[SakazOuki]

I’ve said something within these lines a while back

Regardless of Gaimou, let's get a few things straight about Man'U
-Was Man'U designed to be a hurdle to Moubu strength wise?
Definitely not, Man'U being weaker than Kanmei was stated in the manga

-What is the purpose of Man'U?
Character development for Moubu

-Who was the main character of ManU's flashback?
Yes, its Moubu lol
''He was betrayed by his burden''
This literally summarizes Moubu's character arc in Chu futurely, he gets betrayed by the one man who can tame him. Not only does he switch factions, but SHK also crushes Mouten in battle. This will be a devastating blow that Moubu will deal with through Man'U

Man'U is a big bloke with hefty weight, he is in the top 10 -I have him on 7 right now-, but he is not some unstoppable force in the verse, this is a personal battle for Moubu. Houken destroys Man'U and his sob story, naturally that goes for Ouki, Renpa and Kanmei too
Gaimou is yet to be properly gauged, but if we go by the narrative of Gaimou representing the final obstacle in Wei, at least martially, then there's a decent chance he turns out stronger.

I don’t rate Man’U as highly as you do probably, he was able to get inside Moubu‘s head and play mental games, that would not be the case for more experienced generals like Ouki and Renpa, or lone wolf type warriors like Shibashou and Houken

 

[Xione]

I’ve said something within these lines a while back


I don’t rate Man’U as highly as you do probably, he was able to get inside Moubu‘s head and play mental games, that would not be the case for more experienced generals like Ouki and Renpa, or lone wolf type warriors like Shibashou and Houken

I don't think he got inside Moubu's head or was playing mental games with him. He was riling him up more to make him angrier so he could unleash his full strength. As evident by the fact when Moubu pushed him off the horse it happened after Man'U essentially said SHK would betray Moubu, which made him even more angerier. Hell he even told him that he's being desperate cause of the army, and that he should focus on the fight at hand. He wanted to see Moubu's true strength. He started off by giving him the same treatment Katakuri gave Luffy, put him down and then lecture him about his strength. He wants to see how strong that burden makes Moubu before he crushes it to make him realize strength relying upon the burden of living person isn't a good source of strength.

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I won't talk about Shibashou, since his actual martial prowess is practically unknown, but he's shown nothing for me to say he has a chance at beating Man'U. But Man'U would maul tf outta Houken, not as bad as Ouki did though.

 

[SakazOuki]

I don't think he got inside Moubu's head or was playing mental games with him. He was riling him up more to make him angrier so he could unleash his full strength. As evident by the fact when Moubu pushed him off the horse it happened after Man'U essentially said SHK would betray Moubu, which made him even more angerier. Hell he even told him that he's being desperate cause of the army, and that he should focus on the fight at hand. He wanted to see Moubu's true strength. He started off by giving him the same treatment Katakuri gave Luffy, put him down and then lecture him about his strength. He wants to see how strong that burden makes Moubu before he crushes it to make him realize strength relying upon the burden of living person isn't a good source of strength.

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I won't talk about Shibashou, since his actual martial prowess is practically unknown, but he's shown nothing for me to say he has a chance at beating Man'U. But Man'U would maul tf outta Houken, not as bad as Ouki did though.

That’s exactly what I mean by playing with his head, Man’U did the opposite of drawing out Moubu’s strength, he taunted him about his weakness. Kanmei was the one who successfully riled up Moubu and made him go ape shit, just two behemoths fighting to the death to proudly claim China’s strongest title, the animosity between the two was through the fucking roof

We didn’t see this Moubu against Man’U

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[Xione]

That’s exactly what I mean by playing with his head, Man’U did the opposite of drawing out Moubu’s strength, he taunted him about his weakness. Kanmei was the one who successfully riled up Moubu and made him go ape shit, just two behemoths fighting to the death to proudly claim China’s strongest title, the animosity between the two was through the fucking roof

We didn’t see this Moubu against Man’U

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I think this is just comparing the aesthetics of the fight.
I have to finish up some projects over the next few days. But we can do a more indepth comparison of the fights if you're down in about 3-4 days! It's a conversation worth having in detail imo.

 

[BanditKanki]

Because he has to counter Man'U's "nothingness". Man'U managed to become stronger after his burden betrayed him.
Man'U tells Moubu that his strength comes from the burden he carries. Just like how his own used to come from the burden he carried. However, he has since broken free from that burden and is liberated.

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If Moubu's strength comes his burden, what happens when the burden betrays him?? the source of his strength is no longer there. That's what Man'U overcame. And this is what's already being foreshadowed for Moubu.

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Ouki - never betrayed by his Burden ( King Sho and etc).
Shin - likely will never be betrayed his burden Ei Sei and etc, unless Sei turns heel.

This burden amplifying one's strength was also the reason why Ouki and Renpa looked down on Gaimou and didn't think it was worth fighting him. Because while you might be strong martially and what not, you don't have that burden that allows you to surpass your bodily limits like Ouki showcased against Houken. (This is completely separate from "Weight of a general")

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Man'U had something worth fighting for, that source that he was using to boost his strength no longer existed. After years now, he found his answer in nothingness to replace that source of strength which stemmed from his burden. So naturally Moubu in order to face a man who has overcome something we have not seen a single top tier go through and/or overcome... would also need to find his own answer, a source stronger than the burden from SHK.

I don’t think this makes sense. What if Moubu is never burdened by his weight and respect for SHK? Right now, it does not weaken him, so why is manu saying it is holding him back? It isn’t. Manu is implying he is stronger than moubu today, not in future in case anything went wrong