Speculations My wildest speculation regarding the Yonkou saga

#1
Please don't be harsh on me for I totally realise that I am out of my mind with this one. Just enjoy reading the story I am building in a break week.

The main part of Yonkou saga began with WCI but we never got a full closure of that (i.e. the primay antagonist was not fully defeated, which is somewhat unusual). However, WCI also served as the buildup for the Wano arc. While the main antagonist of WCI was carried over to Wano, strawhats also got some powerups to be really able to face Yonkous. Luffy got future sight, Sanji got raid suit and Nami got Zeus.

Now WCI was built up to be Sanji's arc and Wano is built up to be Zoro's arc (at least by fans, if not by the author). However, we don't see either Zoro or Sanji defeating the main antagonists of either arc (at least from whatver we know so far in Wano).

But, but, but, what if, (a huge ifffffffffffffff......) it was always meant to be that the "wings of the pirate king" will really defeat the primary antagonists of the arc that are heavily focused on them but only at an appropriate time.

How can this be possible? Isn't Luffy fighting Kaido and Kid and Law are fighting big mom? But what if (again a huge iffffffffffffffff......,) the raid fails partially. By partial failure I mean Luffy, Law, and Kid are defeated again.

I can imagine the situation unfolding something like this: Luffy is fighting Kaido and this time he has a slight upper edge. However, Kid and Law (they dont have advanced conqueror's) are defeated by Big Mom. Big Mom arrives back on roof top. Luffy had knocked out Kaido temporarily but he now has to fight Big Mom. While he fights Big Mom with whaever strength he has left Kaido is revived again. Luffy is knocked out by Big Mom and Kaido (both heavily damaged but still standing)

After this, the two strongest straw hats standing will only be Zoro and Sanji, "THE STARS OF THE SHOW"

(some people will try to bring in Jinbei here, don't do that, he is not the "wings")

So now guys, Zoro will face Kaidou and Sanji will unwillingly have to face Big Mom.

ZKK will happen, Zoro can do it, there is no doubt about it. He is built different.

The real problem is with Sanji, he will not fight a woman. Plus he has no conqueror's haki so far. But he has to, there is no othr option. The issue of conqueror's haki can be solved by showing hints of him having it while fighting Queen.

But what about him not attacking a woman? I propose two options:

1. First one is simpler yet more crude, he will lose emotions due to extended use of raid suit and forget what he is not supposed to do.

2. He will turn into some form of Okama. Either through a split persona, or "fusing with a feminine mythical fiery bird that will not obey his orders"

Thus, my dear friends, our two primary protagonists (minus Luffy, he is primary every arc) of two arcs will have defeated, two primary antagonists of those arcs.

Thanks for reading, hope the story (that may never happen) was interesting.
 
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Honestly, I still think Luffy will beat Kaido, however, I think after that Big Mom will kill Kaido by capitalizing on a second of fear he’ll show and taking his soul and devil fruit (then we get a scene mirroring BB in marineford holding Yami and Gura power).

Big Mom will then escape and reunite with her ship. When she does so, she will feed the fruit to her ship (mirroring the koi who failed to climb the waterfall story)

She will then create her ultimate homie with Kaidos soul and having perosperos candy power to create a giant body for it.

Then Luffy will fight big mom, Zoro will slay the dragon ship (like his post timeskip introdcution) and Sanji will melt that candy Kaido (like he showd in WCI when standing above his family)
 
#5
Honestly, I still think Luffy will beat Kaido, however, I think after that Big Mom will kill Kaido by capitalizing on a second of fear he’ll show and taking his soul and devil fruit (then we get a scene mirroring BB in marineford holding Yami and Gura power).

Big Mom will then escape and reunite with her ship. When she does so, she will feed the fruit to her ship (mirroring the koi who failed to climb the waterfall story)

She will then create her ultimate homie with Kaidos soul and having perosperos candy power to create a giant body for it.

Then Luffy will fight big mom, Zoro will slay the dragon ship (like his post timeskip introdcution) and Sanji will melt that candy Kaido (like he showd in WCI when standing above his family)
I like this version too.
 
#6
Please don't be harsh on me for I totally realise that I am out of my mind with this one. Just enjoy reading the story I am building in a break week.

The main part of Yonkou saga began with WCI but we never got a full closure of that (i.e. the primay antagonist was not fully defeated, which is somewhat unusual). However, WCI also served as the buildup for the Wano arc. While the main antagonist of WCI was carried over to Wano, strawhats also got some powerups to be really able to face Yonkous. Luffy got future sight, Sanji got raid suit and Nami got Zeus.

Now WCI was built up to be Sanji's arc and Wano is built up to be Zoro's arc (at least by fans, if not by the author). However, we don't see either Zoro or Sanji defeating the main antagonists of either arc (at least from whatver we know so far in Wano).

But, but, but, what if, (a huge ifffffffffffffff......) it was always meant to be that the "wings of the pirate king" will really defeat the primary antagonists of the arc that are heavily focused on them but only at an appropriate time.

How can this be possible? Isn't Luffy fighting Kaido and Kid and Law are fighting big mom? But what if (again a huge iffffffffffffffff......,) the raid fails partially. By partial failure I mean Luffy, Law, and Kid are defeated again.

After this, the two strongest straw hats standing will only be Zoro and Sanji, "THE STARS OF THE SHOW"

(some people will try to bring in Jinbei here, don't do that, he is not the "wings")

So now guys, Zoro will face Kaidou and Sanji will unwillingly have to face Big Mom.

ZKK will happen, Zoro can do it, there is no doubt about it. He is built different.

The real problem is with Sanji, he will not fight a woman. Plus he has no conqueror's haki so far. But he has to, there is no othr option. The issue of conqueror's haki can be solved by showing hints of him having it while fighting Queen.

But what about him not attacking a woman? I propose two options:

1. First one is simpler yet more crude, he will lose emotions due to extended use of raid suit and forget what he is not supposed to do.

2. He will turn into some form of Okama. Either through a split persona, or "fusing with a feminine mythical fiery bird that will not obey his orders"

Thus, my dear friends, our two primary protagonists (minus Luffy, he is primary every arc) of two arcs will have defeated, two primary antagonists of those arcs.

Thanks for reading, hope the story (that may never happen) was interesting.
You didn't say anything wrong, don't worry.

Yes WCI was sanji's arc when Wano is Zoro's arc.

But you seems to forget something. Sanji can't beat Big Mom in a fight but there is another way where he "defeated" her.
Oda used Sanji's best skills to knocked out Big Mom and "saved" everyone from Big Mom's mania. I mean there is a panel where big mom couldn't move because the cake was so good, the ultimate feat Oda wanted to give to Sanji.
So he indeed "defeated" Big Mom, Sanji is first a cook and he did his job.

Now what's Zoro best skills ? Swords. He will do the same thing as Sanji, "defeating" Kaido and save everyone from Kaido's mania.
Small difference Zoro won't gonna just knocked out Kaido. Because the ultimate feat Oda wants to give to Zoro is the Ryuma's parallel = killing a dragon above the capital where onigashima is going ...
Zoro is first a swordsman, he will do his job = to cut.
 
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#7
You didn't say anything wrong, don't worry.

Yes WCI was sanji's arc when Wano is Zoro's arc.

But you seems to forget something. Sanji can't beat Big Mom in a fight but there is another way where he "defeated" her.
Oda used Sanji's best skills to knocked out Big Mom and "saved" everyone from Big Mom's mania. I mean there is a panel where big mom couldn't move because the cake was so good, the ultimate feat Oda wanted to give to Sanji.
So he indeed "defeated" Big Mom, Sanji is first a cook and he did his job.

Now what's Zoro best skills ? Swords. He will do the same thing as Sanji, "defeating" Kaido.
Small the difference Zoro won't gonna just knocked out Kaido. Because the ultimate feat Oda wants to give to Zoro is the Ryuma's parallel = killing a dragon above the capital where onigashima is going ...
Zoro is first a swordsman, he will do his job = to cut.
Agree 100%. Just one addition, Big Mom is also here in Wano and someone needs to take care of her. It will be a missed opportunity if Kid or Law are allowed to do it imho.
 
#8
Agree 100%. Just one addition, Big Mom is also here in Wano and someone needs to take care of her. It will be a missed opportunity if Kid or Law are allowed to do it imho.
Unfortunately i think big mom won't fall in this arc.
Oda will bring her to Elbaf, I mean she has lots parallels and stories with giants ^^

I don't think Oda will let any side characters to defeat a main villains but let's see. But it will be so good to see big mom being defeated.
 
#9
Unfortunately i think big mom won't fall in this arc.
Oda will bring her to Elbaf, I mean she has lots parallels and stories with giants ^^

I don't think Oda will let any side characters to defeat a main villains but let's see. But it will be so good to see big mom being defeated.
Luffy can defeat Kaido.
Then, he can defeat Big Mom.

After their loss, Zoro slays Kaido, akin to Ryuma.
Big Mom can be back as a child, permanent O-lin.

This allows Big Mom to come to Elbaf without being an antagonist.

The only losers here are Kid and Law.
 
#12
Unfortunately i think big mom won't fall in this arc.
Oda will bring her to Elbaf, I mean she has lots parallels and stories with giants ^^

I don't think Oda will let any side characters to defeat a main villains but let's see. But it will be so good to see big mom being defeated.
I dont want to see Big Mom anymore after this arc. She is one of the worst character designs. But then this may just be my opinion.
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Luffy can defeat Kaido.
Then, he can defeat Big Mom.

After their loss, Zoro slays Kaido, akin to Ryuma.
Big Mom can be back as a child, permanent O-lin.

This allows Big Mom to come to Elbaf without being an antagonist.

The only losers here are Kid and Law.
I don't know why people want to see Big Mom in Elbaph. Even if it narratively made sense, i don't want to see her anymore after Wano. I sincerely dislike her character design. On top of that, why would I want someone who is not a strawhat to be a major presence in 3 huge arcs. But I know that I am not the one writing the story, so whatever.
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Then you wake up from sleep by realising that this saga is for Luffy to surpass Yonko or equal them
He's beating kaido, BM might fall or not and Teach will beat shanks
Oh he will surpass everyone. Imagine a captain whos3 subordinates defeat two Yonkous.
 
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Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#13
Heh Sanji is lacking simply lacking the power to face off Kaido without constituting a hindrance, Oda would need to boost it so massively in order to alter this.

Besides I think Luffy and Zoro would most likely prove enough alone in order to defeat him.
 
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Sanji wouldn't defeat Big Mom because she is a woman. Like damn, how many times do I have to say this?
Then you didn't read the whole thing.
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I WANT TO SEE SANJI OKAMA FORM :lumazed::lunazing::lumazed:
Don't we all?
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Please don't be harsh on me for I totally realise that I am out of my mind with this one. Just enjoy reading the story I am building in a break week.

The main part of Yonkou saga began with WCI but we never got a full closure of that (i.e. the primay antagonist was not fully defeated, which is somewhat unusual). However, WCI also served as the buildup for the Wano arc. While the main antagonist of WCI was carried over to Wano, strawhats also got some powerups to be really able to face Yonkous. Luffy got future sight, Sanji got raid suit and Nami got Zeus.

Now WCI was built up to be Sanji's arc and Wano is built up to be Zoro's arc (at least by fans, if not by the author). However, we don't see either Zoro or Sanji defeating the main antagonists of either arc (at least from whatver we know so far in Wano).

But, but, but, what if, (a huge ifffffffffffffff......) it was always meant to be that the "wings of the pirate king" will really defeat the primary antagonists of the arc that are heavily focused on them but only at an appropriate time.

How can this be possible? Isn't Luffy fighting Kaido and Kid and Law are fighting big mom? But what if (again a huge iffffffffffffffff......,) the raid fails partially. By partial failure I mean Luffy, Law, and Kid are defeated again.

I can imagine the situation unfolding something like this: Luffy is fighting Kaido and this time he has a slight upper edge. However, Kid and Law (they dont have advanced conqueror's) are defeated by Big Mom. Big Mom arrives back on roof top. Luffy had knocked out Kaido temporarily but he now has to fight Big Mom. While he fights Big Mom with whaever strength he has left Kaido is revived again. Luffy is knocked out by Big Mom and Kaido (both heavily damaged but still standing)

After this, the two strongest straw hats standing will only be Zoro and Sanji, "THE STARS OF THE SHOW"

(some people will try to bring in Jinbei here, don't do that, he is not the "wings")

So now guys, Zoro will face Kaidou and Sanji will unwillingly have to face Big Mom.

ZKK will happen, Zoro can do it, there is no doubt about it. He is built different.

The real problem is with Sanji, he will not fight a woman. Plus he has no conqueror's haki so far. But he has to, there is no othr option. The issue of conqueror's haki can be solved by showing hints of him having it while fighting Queen.

But what about him not attacking a woman? I propose two options:

1. First one is simpler yet more crude, he will lose emotions due to extended use of raid suit and forget what he is not supposed to do.

2. He will turn into some form of Okama. Either through a split persona, or "fusing with a feminine mythical fiery bird that will not obey his orders"

Thus, my dear friends, our two primary protagonists (minus Luffy, he is primary every arc) of two arcs will have defeated, two primary antagonists of those arcs.

Thanks for reading, hope the story (that may never happen) was interesting.
Damn! I am good at making theories. Seems like at least some of it is gonna come true!! I am gonna go get some beer now.
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:cheers::funky:
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Heh Sanji is lacking simply lacking the power to face off Kaido without constituting a hindrance, Oda would need to boost it so massively in order to alter this.

Besides I think Luffy and Zoro would most likely prove enough alone in order to defeat him.
What do you think about this month old theory now that we have the benefit of knowing events of 1028?
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Sanji wouldn't defeat Big Mom because she is a woman. Like damn, how many times do I have to say this?
Like damn, I got future sight or something. Oh right, I am sungodo. I know things.

:myman:
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Please don't be harsh on me for I totally realise that I am out of my mind with this one. Just enjoy reading the story I am building in a break week.

The main part of Yonkou saga began with WCI but we never got a full closure of that (i.e. the primay antagonist was not fully defeated, which is somewhat unusual). However, WCI also served as the buildup for the Wano arc. While the main antagonist of WCI was carried over to Wano, strawhats also got some powerups to be really able to face Yonkous. Luffy got future sight, Sanji got raid suit and Nami got Zeus.

Now WCI was built up to be Sanji's arc and Wano is built up to be Zoro's arc (at least by fans, if not by the author). However, we don't see either Zoro or Sanji defeating the main antagonists of either arc (at least from whatver we know so far in Wano).

But, but, but, what if, (a huge ifffffffffffffff......) it was always meant to be that the "wings of the pirate king" will really defeat the primary antagonists of the arc that are heavily focused on them but only at an appropriate time.

How can this be possible? Isn't Luffy fighting Kaido and Kid and Law are fighting big mom? But what if (again a huge iffffffffffffffff......,) the raid fails partially. By partial failure I mean Luffy, Law, and Kid are defeated again.

I can imagine the situation unfolding something like this: Luffy is fighting Kaido and this time he has a slight upper edge. However, Kid and Law (they dont have advanced conqueror's) are defeated by Big Mom. Big Mom arrives back on roof top. Luffy had knocked out Kaido temporarily but he now has to fight Big Mom. While he fights Big Mom with whaever strength he has left Kaido is revived again. Luffy is knocked out by Big Mom and Kaido (both heavily damaged but still standing)

After this, the two strongest straw hats standing will only be Zoro and Sanji, "THE STARS OF THE SHOW"

(some people will try to bring in Jinbei here, don't do that, he is not the "wings")

So now guys, Zoro will face Kaidou and Sanji will unwillingly have to face Big Mom.

ZKK will happen, Zoro can do it, there is no doubt about it. He is built different.

The real problem is with Sanji, he will not fight a woman. Plus he has no conqueror's haki so far. But he has to, there is no othr option. The issue of conqueror's haki can be solved by showing hints of him having it while fighting Queen.

But what about him not attacking a woman? I propose two options:

1. First one is simpler yet more crude, he will lose emotions due to extended use of raid suit and forget what he is not supposed to do.

2. He will turn into some form of Okama. Either through a split persona, or "fusing with a feminine mythical fiery bird that will not obey his orders"

Thus, my dear friends, our two primary protagonists (minus Luffy, he is primary every arc) of two arcs will have defeated, two primary antagonists of those arcs.

Thanks for reading, hope the story (that may never happen) was interesting.
Am I a genius?
:choppawhat:
 
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