Chapter Discussion Next chapter will show if Imu will be the Final Villain, or he will be defeated by BB

[Francher Styles]

My biggest concern is that Luffy is on his "old form". This is the same scenario when Saturn appears in Egghead. Saturn was dominating until Luffy gain his forces and "liberate" everyone.

I hope that sh*t doesn't happen here again, Imu negg difiing everyone until Nika saves them and aend Imu away

Is like Oda is afraid of having Luffy defeated/overpowered by a villain again.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Tbf imu can still be main big villain of one piece like madara/Kaguya was from Naruto and BB just like Sasuke can be the final opponent.

I am more interested in how first world villain in Earth god fits into all this. I want confirmation whether imu or BB are connected to Earth god or not.

 

[Kair0s1]

Is like Oda is afraid of having Luffy defeated/overpowered by a villain again.

Give me one good reason why Luffy should be defeated at this point.
Not happening at elbaph btw

 

[D. Plant]

I think the battle may takes 3-5 chapters. But no.. Luffy is not going to lose this fight as this is not a 1vs1 battle, he has Loki and crews to help him fight Imu.

 

[Francher Styles]

Give me one good reason why Luffy should be defeated at this point.
Not happening at elbaph btw

Luffy gain a another purpose to find the OP. Having Luffy on par or dominating Imu here is like: "bro, why you need to OP for? Just kill the big bad guy here, and the entire organization is going down".

 

[Konstantis]

Give me one good reason why Luffy should be defeated at this point.
Not happening at elbaph btw

If this is the Final Villain Luffy has to be defeated, if he is not - than not.

Tbf imu can still be main big villain of one piece like madara/Kaguya was from Naruto and BB just like Sasuke can be the final opponent.

I am more interested in how first world villain in Earth god fits into all this. I want confirmation whether imu or BB are connected to Earth god or not.

I don't think that gods was real things. It's more about technology

 

[DenifClock]

Give me one good reason why Luffy should be defeated at this point.
Not happening at elbaph btw

Luffy needs to have one last defeat before the story concludes. Luffy can't just win everything easily. Otherwise tension is all gone

 

[Kair0s1]

Luffy gain a another purpose to find the OP. Having Luffy on par or dominating Imu here is like: "bro, why you need to OP for? Just kill the big bad guy here, and the entire organization is going down".

Luffy doesn’t think like that at all. He would never see the One Piece as some kind of tool to beat someone. That’s not his character. He wants to find it because that’s his dream, not because he needs it to overcome an obstacle.

 

[kekaro]

Eh, dont think so next chapter will be determinitve about that

 

[Kair0s1]

If this is the Final Villain Luffy has to be defeated, if he is not - than not.

Do you realize what it would mean for the story if Luffy actually lost at Elbaph? The stakes are way too high.

 

[Juanpiz]

Luffy doesn’t think like that at all. He would never see the One Piece as some kind of tool to beat someone. That’s not his character. He wants to find it because that’s his dream, not because he needs it to overcome an obstacle.

His Dream..Yeah about that

 

[Kair0s1]

Luffy needs to have one last defeat before the story concludes. Luffy can't just win everything easily. Otherwise tension is all gone

After almost 1200 chapters, if you still think this is the kind of story where the good guys can lose when the stakes are this high, I don’t know what to tell you.
Were you reading Onigashima thinking Luffy would lose to Kaido and Wano wouldn’t be saved?

 

[Konstantis]

Do you realize what it would mean for the story if Luffy actually lost at Elbaph? The stakes are way too high.

I explained how Luffy always lose first fight, right? He wouldn't lose to Teach tho, though; rather, the second scenario will happen, where Teach will just postpone their fight. But if Imu is the FV, then yes, we need to see an absolutely different power lvl from anything that we ever saw.

Again, the Mural was showing JB and the whole army fighting against Imu alone. And Imu won that battle, so you can say the whole arc was preparing us for this moment.

More to that Final Saga started from Imu's destroying Lulusia's kingdom. You can say that Final Saga was just building up IMU's hype train. And now we will see the consequences.

 

[Blax Blah]

Imo the final battles will be:


Luffy vs Blackbeard

Nika appears and fights Imu





Kaido has devil parallels, the alliance loses and Nika powers save them

Imu has devil parallels, Nika shows up and defeats him

And Nika has many Jesus parallels

 

[Kair0s1]

I explained how Luffy always lose first fight, right? He wouldn't lose to Teach tho, though; rather, the second scenario will happen, where Teach will just postpone their fight. But if Imu is the FV, then yes, we need to see an absolutely different power lvl from anything that we ever saw.

Again, the Mural was showing JB and the whole army fighting against Imu alone. And Imu won that battle, so you can say the whole arc was preparing us for this moment.

More to that Final Saga started from Imu's destroying Lulusia's kingdom. You can say that Final Saga was just building up IMU's hype train. And now we will see the consequences.

Luffy might lose the first fight, sure, but by the end of the arc he always wins when the stakes are high.
He lost the first round against Crocodile, but Alabasta didn’t end up falling to him, did it? Same with Enel, Lucci, Moria and so on.
He can afford to lose early on when it doesn’t have massive consequences for the story, but here Imu is literally going there to kill Luffy and take over Elbaph. Luffy just can’t lose in this situation.

 

[Konstantis]

Luffy might lose the first fight, sure, but by the end of the arc he always wins when the stakes are high.
He lost the first round against Crocodile, but Alabasta didn’t end up falling to him, did it? Same with Enel, Lucci, Moria and so on.
He can afford to lose early on when it doesn’t have massive consequences for the story, but here Imu is literally going there to kill Luffy and take over Elbaph. Luffy just can’t lose in this situation

Well, you can call this the first round of the final battle that will happen at the end of this saga. For example, Luffy loses the battle to Rob Lucci in W7 but wins the fight in the next arc: Ennies Lobby.
Plus to this, losing the battle doesn't mean that Imu will conquer Elbaf.

 

[Kair0s1]

Well, you can call this the first round of the final battle that will happen at the end of this saga. For example, Luffy loses the battle to Rob Lucci in W7 but wins the fight in the next arc: Ennies Lobby.
Plus to this, losing the battle doesn't mean that Imu will conquer Elbaf.

Well, the whole Elbaf arc is basically built around what’s going to happen to the island. The Holy Knights went there to take it, because like Gunko said, conquering Elbaf meant being able to win the war that was coming. I don’t think they just gave up on that.
Sure, we can say Imu is mainly here now to settle things with Luffy and Loki. But all the more reason you can’t compare this to Lucci at Water 7. Luffy could afford to lose there because CP9 didn’t really care about him. That’s not the case here. Imu is literally here to take them out. Either he makes it or he doesn’t.

 

[Konstantis]

Well, the whole Elbaf arc is basically built around what’s going to happen to the island. The Holy Knights went there to take it, because like Gunko said, conquering Elbaf meant being able to win the war that was coming. I don’t think they just gave up on that.
Sure, we can say Imu is mainly here now to settle things with Luffy and Loki. But all the more reason you can’t compare this to Lucci at Water 7. Luffy could afford to lose there because CP9 didn’t really care about him. That’s not the case here. Imu is literally here to take them out. Either he makes it or he doesn’t.

I believe if Imu defeats Luffy because of his illness, he will not be able to kill Luffy. While he can capture Robin/Nami and take them to Marijoise.
Also, Luffy can temporarily die, and then he will get another reason to prepare for the fight against Imu,