General & Others No one is weak against swords however most characters are susceptible to swords not “weak against”

[DonWick]

I want to debunk the notion that characters are weak against swords. This is an argument used against Luffy a lot. Someone even told me Kaido is weak against swords which I find ridiculous.

First let’s define what it is to be weak against “something”. To be weak against something means that you will take more damage than the average person if you are attacked with that “something”.

Let’s give an example - A devil fruit user is weak to sea water. When submerged in weather they lose their ability, sink and will drown without help. But the average person will not be effected.

Therefore, Luffy is not weak to swords but he is susceptible to sword damage.

Let’s define what’s susceptible is - the likely hood that you will be harmed by something.

Let’s give examples:

Zoro was harmed by Mihawk slash, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to swords. Yet he is susceptible.

Kaido was harmed by Bajrang Gun, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to punches. Yet he is susceptible.

Kaido was cut by Oden, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to swords. Yet he is susceptible.

If anything Kaido is strong against pretty much everything until it’s infused with ACoA and ACoC.

Moral of the story is Luffy isn’t weak to swords it’s just one of the only ways to damage Luffy. He is affected by swords the same way anyone else is if you can bypass his haki. If you can’t do that our sword is useless hence Rebecca.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

This should be obvious. Saying Luffy is weak against blades/sharp stuff is like saying Luffy aren't immune to electricity.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Oda over and over say its his weakness. Stop crying

 

[Thunderbolt]

Haki

 

[DonWick]

Oda over and over say its his weakness. Stop crying

Post the official translation of the panels where it’s said or use your common sense

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This should be obvious. Saying Luffy is weak against blades/sharp stuff is like saying Luffy aren't immune to electricity.

Tell it to the local ZKK boys

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

Break threads abound...

 

[Nikuzi]

This was always obvious. When luffy is referred to as weak to slashes, its because slashes affect him when blunt physical strikes don't.

Like in pokemon, a ghost type can't be damaged by normal type moves but a fire type attack will do damage, but its not super effective or anything. It's just able to do damage.

 

[DonWick]

This was always obvious. When luffy is referred to as weak to slashes, its because slashes affect him when blunt physical strikes don't.

Like in pokemon, a ghost type can't be damaged by normal type moves but a fire type attack will do damage, but its not super effective or anything. It's just able to do damage.

That’s exactly it

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

This was always obvious. When luffy is referred to as weak to slashes, its because slashes affect him when blunt physical strikes don't.

Like in pokemon, a ghost type can't be damaged by normal type moves but a fire type attack will do damage, but its not super effective or anything. It's just able to do damage.

Saw someone made a theory about Luffy will makes himself immune to slashes attacks in the future using his G5 imagination. If that happens, it's over for sword bros.

 

[Salah WG]

Weakness isn't defined by comparing to other People, it's defined by comparing to other Sources of Damage
Blades/Cutting Attacks will always be Luffy's Weakness

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I want to debunk the notion that characters are weak against swords. This is an argument used against Luffy a lot. Someone even told me Kaido is weak against swords which I find ridiculous.

First let’s define what it is to be weak against “something”. To be weak against something means that you will take more damage than the average person if you are attacked with that “something”.

Let’s give an example - A devil fruit user is weak to sea water. When submerged in weather they lose their ability, sink and will drown without help. But the average person will not be effected.

Therefore, Luffy is not weak to swords but he is susceptible to sword damage.

Let’s define what’s susceptible is - the likely hood that you will be harmed by something.

Let’s give examples:

Zoro was harmed by Mihawk slash, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to swords. Yet he is susceptible.

Kaido was harmed by Bajrang Gun, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to punches. Yet he is susceptible.

Kaido was cut by Oden, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to swords. Yet he is susceptible.

If anything Kaido is strong against pretty much everything until it’s infused with ACoA and ACoC.

Moral of the story is Luffy isn’t weak to swords it’s just one of the only ways to damage Luffy. He is affected by swords the same way anyone else is if you can bypass his haki. If you can’t do that our sword is useless hence Rebecca.

Punches and swords coated with ACOA(Ryou) had the same result on Kaido; both Luffy's punches in Gear 4 and the swords only caused superficial damage:

Don't think that Kaido is weak against swords and punches coated with Ryou. It's the Advanced Haoshoku Haki (Adcoc) that is the key element to inflict real damage to Kaido, deep damage:

If an attack with Ryou causes 10 damage to Kaido, the same attack with Adcoc would cause 30 to 35 damage.

 

[DonWick]

Weakness isn't defined by comparing to other People, it's defined by comparing to other Sources of Damage
Blades/Cutting Attacks will always be Luffy's Weakness

Not true.

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Punches and swords coated with ACOA(Ryou) had the same result on Kaido; both Luffy's punches in Gear 4 and the swords only caused superficial damage:

You do realize that I said ACoA and ACoC right meaning both.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Not true.

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You do realize that I said ACoA and ACoC right meaning both.

Do you realize that you can use the fact that both swords and punches had the same impact on Kaido in terms of causing superficial damage to prove that Kaido is not weaker against swords, right? That's the purpose for which I did that.

 

[RyumaZoro]

I want to debunk the notion that characters are weak against swords. This is an argument used against Luffy a lot. Someone even told me Kaido is weak against swords which I find ridiculous.

First let’s define what it is to be weak against “something”. To be weak against something means that you will take more damage than the average person if you are attacked with that “something”.

Let’s give an example - A devil fruit user is weak to sea water. When submerged in weather they lose their ability, sink and will drown without help. But the average person will not be effected.

Therefore, Luffy is not weak to swords but he is susceptible to sword damage.

Let’s define what’s susceptible is - the likely hood that you will be harmed by something.

Let’s give examples:

Zoro was harmed by Mihawk slash, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to swords. Yet he is susceptible.

Kaido was harmed by Bajrang Gun, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to punches. Yet he is susceptible.

Kaido was cut by Oden, that doesn’t mean he’s weak to swords. Yet he is susceptible.

If anything Kaido is strong against pretty much everything until it’s infused with ACoA and ACoC.

Moral of the story is Luffy isn’t weak to swords it’s just one of the only ways to damage Luffy. He is affected by swords the same way anyone else is if you can bypass his haki. If you can’t do that our sword is useless hence Rebecca.

Ok let me help you a bit luffy being weak to swords / slashes /cut ding is factual and established from the beginning of the manga author himself established that no room for arguments there that’s it and end of it .!

Now to give you a simple example to why is because luffy will always have resistance to blunt dmg period meaning even if his haki is weaker he still gonna get less dmg like instead of breaking a bone he gets a bruise but with a cutting attack he won’t get his arm cut but he gonna get a wounds and bleed meaning higher dmg and this apply to luffy as rubber like kata weaknes is water hope you understood :cheers:

 

[Peroroncino]

manga says ''weak to'' so he's weak to it, to say anything else is cope

 

[grey matter]

This was always obvious. When luffy is referred to as weak to slashes, its because slashes affect him when blunt physical strikes don't.

Like in pokemon, a ghost type can't be damaged by normal type moves but a fire type attack will do damage, but its not super effective or anything. It's just able to do damage.

True.

It's also true to say that Mihawk/Shanks would have an easier time against Luffy than Kaido, even tho they are all broadly in the same tier.
Same for say Akainu also, because magma will do more damage relative to blunt attacks.

It's all relative.

 

[Agent31]

yeah luffy just doesn't have this extra durabilty boost vs slash attack unlike with blunt damage, that's it

rubber isn't more vulnerable to cut than human skin

 

[Malio]

Even as far back as Part One (Enel fight), Oda has told us that luffy has 2 weaknesses. That's sharp objects (which includes swords ) and the ocean/sea stones. No amount of mental gymnastics is gonna change that.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

True.

It's also true to say that Mihawk/Shanks would have an easier time against Luffy than Kaido, even tho they are all broadly in the same tier.
Same for say Akainu also, because magma will do more damage relative to blunt attacks.

It's all relative.

On the other hand, Luffy would have an easier time against Akainu, Mihawk/Shanks due to them not being as resistant as Kaido.
So if we are talking about fighting Luffy, Mihawk and Shanks may have an easier time inflicting damage on Luffy, but Luffy has an easier time defeating them since they are not more resistant than Kaidou, while Kaidou can inflict less damage than Shanks and Mihawk on Luffy but can resist greater amounts of Luffy's attacks due to being more resistant therefore making it more difficult than Mihawk and Shanks.

• In short, Mihawk and Shanks can deal more damage but can't afford to take many hits.
  
  
• Kaido can deal less damage, but can afford to take more hits than Shanks and Mihawk.

So it really is relative. Basically, I would say that this relativity is only valid against Luffy, if the opponent were someone else, Kaido would not lose in terms of causing damage.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

First let’s define what it is to be weak against “something”. To be weak against something means that you will take more damage than the average person if you are attacked with that “something”.

Does making your fists or sword wet stop being a weakness of Crocodile just because a wet fist/sword would do the same damage to Zoro/Usopp/Sanji/etc as it does to Crocodile?

Swords/sharp attacks are a weakness because they do significantly more damage to Luffy relative to blunt attacks. The sword attacks doing the same damage to other characters doesn't really stop it from being a weakness of a character that usually doesn't take normal damage.