General & Others Not everyone is Roger

[Albino 👑]

Just because roger was able to conqueror the seas with just his haki doesn't mean everyone else could too
Reasons being

1. The most obvious. No one has since his death
2. The very strongest since his death have been devil fruit users with amazing haki. With the next ones coincidentally also having fruits with luffy and/or teach
3. The closest thing we have to a current day roger is likely shanks but im pretty sure most people dont think he's the strongest
4. Luffy, kaido, and likely newgate are examples of being a really strong devil fruit user and having amazing haki arent separate exclusive things
5. We've seen characters with better haki lose to characters with worse or even no haki. Aka lufft vs the boa sister or franky and robin vs tobiroppo. Even if you don't want to count those im pretty sure most can agree the "weak trio" or at the very least mid trio isn't weaker than big mom pirates fodder 🗿

Can you conqueror the ocean with just your haki? Yes 100% because we know roger existed
But your faves just aint that guy pal

 

[HA001]

No their haki better than Rogers

 

[m0nst3Rx]

as kaido said, EOS LUFFY with DF+COC < Gold Roger < EOS ZORO

Swordsmans are the top1 in the verse

Luffu cheated his way to become PK when he recruiting zoro



EOS LUFFY =< HAKIMAN ROGER < gap < WSS HAKIMAN ZORO

 

[roronoa_fan]

Roger was the first to conquer everything because he had no competitors.

Nobody knew that there was a last island, nobody knew that the Road Poneglyphs were needed, Newgate who had the power to compete didn't care, Big Mom and Kaido were weaker than they are today and Big Mom probably didn't have the care that she does today with the poneglyphs.

And Roger was a D, we'll soon discovered the importance of this bloodline.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

as kaido said, EOS LUFFY with DF+COC < Gold Roger < EOS ZORO

Swordsmans are the top1 in the verse

Luffu cheated his way to become PK when he recruiting zoro



EOS LUFFY =< HAKIMAN ROGER < gap < WSS HAKIMAN ZORO

luffy has better haki than zoro
in all three categories

 

[Albino 👑]

Roger was the first to conquer everything because he had no competitors.

Nobody knew that there was a last island, nobody knew that the Road Poneglyphs were needed, Newgate who had the power to compete didn't care, Big Mom and Kaido were weaker than they are today and Big Mom probably didn't have the care that she does today with the poneglyphs.

And Roger was a D, we'll soon discovered the importance of this bloodline.

Roger is still the last person to reach the level that he did especially without a fruit

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Just because roger was able to conqueror the seas with just his haki doesn't mean everyone else could too
Reasons being

1. The most obvious. No one has since his death
2. The very strongest since his death have been devil fruit users with amazing haki. With the next ones coincidentally also having fruits with luffy and/or teach
3. The closest thing we have to a current day roger is likely shanks but im pretty sure most people dont think he's the strongest
4. Luffy, kaido, and likely newgate are examples of being a really strong devil fruit user and having amazing haki arent separate exclusive things
5. We've seen characters with better haki lose to characters with worse or even no haki. Aka lufft vs the boa sister or franky and robin vs tobiroppo. Even if you don't want to count those im pretty sure most can agree the "weak trio" or at the very least mid trio isn't weaker than big mom pirates fodder 🗿

Can you conqueror the ocean with just your haki? Yes 100% because we know roger existed
But your faves just aint that guy pal

Not everyone has a DF, not everyone uses a sword, not everyone has a martial arts style and so on.
But everyone has Haki. Haki is equality. Equal starting chances for everyone, and the strongest ones will come on top.

Take an Admiral
Remove his DF and he remains a strong guy with great physicals and maxxed levels of Haki to fight at high levels
Remove his Haki and he would become nothing more than a upgraded Ener or Crocodile

That's why Doflamingo was more hyped about Luffy unlocking Conqueror Haki than Law having the Ope Ope, and talked as if Haki sealed the deal about the former being stronger than the latter.
That's why we have many Top Tiers who doesn't have a DF and some ones not even using a weapon, but we have not Top Tier not having Haki or having a weak level of Haki.
That's why Kaido called Haki the strongest power, the power that "surpasses it all", and called Advanced Conqueror Haki as the power that is landmark of being a Top Tier "only a handful of the very strongest can".

 

[Albino 👑]

Not everyone has a DF, not everyone uses a sword, not everyone has a martial arts style and so on.
But everyone has Haki. Haki is equality. Equal starting chances for everyone, and the strongest ones will come on top.

Take an Admiral
Remove his DF and he remains a strong guy with great physicals and maxxed levels of Haki to fight at high levels
Remove his Haki and he would become nothing more than a upgraded Ener or Crocodile

That's why Doflamingo was more hyped about Luffy unlocking Conqueror Haki than Law having the Ope Ope, and talked as if Haki sealed the deal about the former being stronger than the latter.
That's why we have many Top Tiers who doesn't have a DF and some ones not even using a weapon, but we have not Top Tier not having Haki or having a weak level of Haki.
That's why Kaido called Haki the strongest power, the power that "surpasses it all", and called Advanced Conqueror Haki as the power that is landmark of being a Top Tier "only a handful of the very strongest can".

Having haki, conquerors, or even conquerors coating doesn't mean you're in anyway comparable to roger

Again Roger was able to conqueror the sea with his haki alone. No one has come close to being able to do that since even with fruits. The closest we have are the yonko
Whitebeard the strongest of them and his rival just lacked the grand ambition roger had
Shanks likely the most comparable to roger is just not as strong as he was

Haki can make you the strongest aka roger but again 99.99% just aint roger

 

[ConquistadoR]

That's why Doflamingo was more hyped about Luffy unlocking Conqueror Haki than Law having the Ope Ope, and talked as if Haki sealed the deal about the former being stronger than the latter.

Doflamingo was never conclusive with that statement, because he knows. It was always about potential, not powerlevel.

 

[mly90]

Rayleigh, Shanks, Mihawk, Ryuma Garp and possibly even Rocks have all reached the top without any devil fruits with just haki and their swords.
Zoro as a swordsman will surpass them all he wants to be the greatest simple as that, too bad Oda didn't give Roger other special abilities Marimo is that guy you are fearing :cheers:

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Rayleigh, Shanks, Mihawk, Ryuma Garp and possibly even Rocks have all reached the top without any devil fruits with just haki and their swords.
Zoro as a swordsman will surpass them all he wants to be the greatest simple as that, too bad Oda didn't give Roger other special abilities Marimo is that guy you are fearing :cheers:

you made his point
none of those guys you mentioned
conquered the seas.

 

[mly90]

you made his point
none of those guys you mentioned
conquered the seas.

Conquering the sea was not their ambition especially in the case of Ryuma and he was no weaker than Roger

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Conquering the sea was not their ambition especially in the case of Ryuma and he was no weaker than Roger

theres literally no way of knowing how strong ryuma was
how strong were the people he fought
is it the black blade
the same one mihawk has?


if they didnt have that ambition , you are still proving his point
roger had the ambition and willpower to do it
none of these guys do including zoro

 

[mly90]

theres literally no way of knowing how strong ryuma was
how strong were the people he fought
is it the black blade
the same one mihawk has?


if they didnt have that ambition , you are still proving his point
roger had the ambition and willpower to do it
none of these guys do including zoro

They have different goals conquering the sea is not the only way to reach the pinnacle. Garp for example was almost Rogers equal and he was a marine with no ambition of conquering the seas.
Ryuma was Wano protector against WG, he singlehandedly kept them at bay it's not just about black blade his portrayal is insane

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

They have different goals conquering the sea is not the only way to reach the pinnacle. Garp for example was almost Rogers equal and he was a marine with no ambition of conquering the seas.
Ryuma was Wano protector against WG, he singlehandedly kept them at bay it's not just about black blade his portrayal is insane

yonkos effectively do what ryuma did with wano
crafting autonomous regions from the government and other pirates whilst protecting them
nothing about that makes them exactly equal in strength to roger. you simply cannot compare a guy with little knowledge to go off of to someone we know a lot more about .



"They have different goals conquering the sea is not the only way to reach the pinnacle."

the pinnacle of what
the thread is about conquering the seas
only roger had the capability and the goal of doing so. all these others didnt have that goal and also didnt have the capability to do so.

 

[mly90]

yonkos effectively do what ryuma did with wano
crafting autonomous regions from the government and other pirates whilst protecting them
nothing about that makes them exactly equal in strength to roger. you simply cannot compare a guy with little knowledge to go off of to someone we know a lot more about .

Yonkos don't have to worry about invasion from the WG in fact they are being used to maintain balance and deadlock between them which is why they went as far as sending Mr Go to prevent Kaido downfall. It's much different from nation that closed off it's borders constantly fought off both the WG and pirates alike Ryuma was the main man responsible for that. Forming such a reputation Wano samurai are feared to this day. It's true we have a lot less knowledge about Ryuma than Roger but still it doesn't diminish his feats

"They have different goals conquering the sea is not the only way to reach the pinnacle."

the pinnacle of what
the thread is about conquering the seas
only roger had the capability and the goal of doing so. all these others didnt have that goal and also didnt have the capability to do so.

The pinnacle of strength is what i'm referring to. Garp and Ryuma had different goals but were absolutely capable of conquering the sea had they chosen to, both have enough portrayal to back it up in the story. Mihawk probably never had any interest in that but nonetheless on the same level as those who have that ambition.

 

[kenedyfake]

Just because roger was able to conqueror the seas with just his haki doesn't mean everyone else could too
Reasons being

1. The most obvious. No one has since his death
2. The very strongest since his death have been devil fruit users with amazing haki. With the next ones coincidentally also having fruits with luffy and/or teach
3. The closest thing we have to a current day roger is likely shanks but im pretty sure most people dont think he's the strongest
4. Luffy, kaido, and likely newgate are examples of being a really strong devil fruit user and having amazing haki arent separate exclusive things
5. We've seen characters with better haki lose to characters with worse or even no haki. Aka lufft vs the boa sister or franky and robin vs tobiroppo. Even if you don't want to count those im pretty sure most can agree the "weak trio" or at the very least mid trio isn't weaker than big mom pirates fodder 🗿

Can you conqueror the ocean with just your haki? Yes 100% because we know roger existed
But your faves just aint that guy pal

It's like I always say, this only goes for Roger, who conquered the seas... with his insane haki...
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Ryuma, Mihawk, Shanks, Ray, Zoro none of these are comparable to Roger.

and Kaido is stronger than those mentioned

 

[Blazing Lion]

The thing is the potential and that's why Kaido is talking about it. In the end if your haki/willpower is strong enough you can be as great as Roger or even greater depending on your willpower, you do not need a DF or a sword or any other thing, haki transcends all.

 

[Red Admiral]

Shanks is

 

[zenox]

yonkos effectively do what ryuma did with wano
crafting autonomous regions from the government and other pirates whilst protecting them
nothing about that makes them exactly equal in strength to roger. you simply cannot compare a guy with little knowledge to go off of to someone we know a lot more about .



"They have different goals conquering the sea is not the only way to reach the pinnacle."

the pinnacle of what
the thread is about conquering the seas
only roger had the capability and the goal of doing so. all these others didnt have that goal and also didnt have the capability to do so.

pretty sure wb had the capability of doing so and was even said the king of sea by garp himself , wb just didnt had the ambition to .