General & Others Not tryna defend Oda…

[warsame zaylai]

But the wano arc was never zoro arc or supposed to be big moment for zoro character.

Zoro isn’t shimotsuki or samurai
his grandmother from his father side is only the shimotsuki while his other heritage have nothing to do with wano or the samurai.
yes zoro learned the Shimotsuki fight style as someone mentioned he has the same fighting style as the shimotsuki who saved Yamato. We also saw zoro connect with ryuma and his direct descendants like yasue for example.

Zoro doesn’t know his shimotsuki heritage because he barely shimotsuki himself.
A) he is barely shimotsuki
B)he doesn’t know he is shimotsuki
C)he wasn’t taught about shimotsuki except how they fight and the understanding of the sword

zoro mother is interesting one
She is the daughter of a criminal and people started saying she is rock’s daughter etc
Zoro father arashi is only interesting character who died by the hand of pirates
I think zoro parent will bring both character to play in the final saga

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

I think Oda is writing Zoro in a way that "he is an incarnation" of a "past" character living in this world. And his story will never be at the center of any plot. Just a hint here and there.

 

[warsame zaylai]

I think Oda is writing Zoro in a way that "he is an incarnation" of a "past" character living in this world. And his story will never be at the center of any plot. Just a hint here and there.

I do believe his story will be centre of plot but not with wano/samurai

his father probably had no connection to shimotsuki mainly because he was born in east blue probably among non wano refegees even tho he is half
his mother is completely different heritage who is the daughter of a criminal

To me zoro mother is going to be important character in the future

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

I do believe his story will be centre of plot but not with wano/samurai

his father probably had no connection to shimotsuki mainly because he was born in east blue probably among non wano refegees even tho he is half
his mother is completely different heritage who is the daughter of a criminal

To me zoro mother is going to be important character in the future

How? everything he had in his entire time in the whole story was building up something towards Wano. It did pay off in the "background" kind of way. We learned of a "connection" between him and the land of Wano and the origins of his Swords.

Then Oda elaborated on it on his SBS which means his story was never meant to be at the center of a plot only a background thing that readers/viewers needs to look for.

His mother is dead. The only relevant thing about her right now is just her name "Terra" as in earth giving birth to a moss LOL.

 

[warsame zaylai]

How? everything he had in his entire time in the whole story was building up something towards Wano. It did pay off in the "background" kind of way. We learned of a "connection" between him and the land of Wano and the origins of his Swords.

Then Oda elaborated on it on his SBS which means his story was never meant to be at the center of a plot only a background thing that readers/viewers needs to look for.

His mother is dead. The only relevant thing about her right now is just her name "Terra" as in earth giving birth to a moss LOL.

Oda elaborating in the sbs doesn’t mean his story wasn’t meant to be at the centre of the plot. The only thing oda did was gave the name and their death nothing else.
The guy who asked simply wanted to know how does zoro link with ryuma/kuina so oda drew his bloodline for us to understand it.
she is a daughter of a criminal
Personally I believe terra father is going to be important too

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

I think Oda is writing Zoro in a way that "he is an incarnation" of a "past" character living in this world. And his story will never be at the center of any plot. Just a hint here and there.

I mean the whole story is revolving around Inheriting wills of past. , joyboy , Ryuma , And what not.

 

[Logiko]

But the wano arc was never zoro arc or supposed to be big moment for zoro character.

Zoro isn’t shimotsuki or samurai
his grandmother from his father side is only the shimotsuki while his other heritage have nothing to do with wano or the samurai.
yes zoro learned the Shimotsuki fight style as someone mentioned he has the same fighting style as the shimotsuki who saved Yamato. We also saw zoro connect with ryuma and his direct descendants like yasue for example.

Zoro doesn’t know his shimotsuki heritage because he barely shimotsuki himself.
A) he is barely shimotsuki
B)he doesn’t know he is shimotsuki
C)he wasn’t taught about shimotsuki except how they fight and the understanding of the sword

zoro mother is interesting one
She is the daughter of a criminal and people started saying she is rock’s daughter etc
Zoro father arashi is only interesting character who died by the hand of pirates
I think zoro parent will bring both character to play in the final saga

I can't blame people for wanting to see Zoro shine in Wano. I myself remember 2016 me thinking that Luffy and Zoro would clash in Wano because of the Big Mom would become a danger on top of Kaido.. but finally I was underestimating their link. But we need to see that Zoro's story is not about his swords or his lineage or the land of Wano.

It's about his relationship to grief and death. Zoro never accepted the death of Kuina and he has turn all the anger on himself, sometimes pushing his body to the limits of the other world.

He doesn't need more strenght, he needs be liberated from the burden of strenght that he imposes on himself.

 

[warsame zaylai]

I mean the whole story is revolving around Inheriting wills of past. , joyboy , Ryuma , And what not.

A lot of people don’t see it but ryuma will be important character for the plot otherwise why did oda made ryuma canon character and giving him “god blade “ title


A)zoro and ryuma parallel

B)Ryuma fough against the world government and the pirates himself

C)ryuma also likely killed celestial dragon that tried to invade wano.

D)He was also called the king with the greatest soul

There is a chance ryuma ruled certain places of the world to himself but the argument is why no one knows ryuma except the citizens of wano. We could argue imu deleted his history from the world like rocks.

I feel like that’s the only reason why zoro has shimotsuki heritage because oda wanted connections between zoro and ryuma. He could’ve had random shimotsuki who isn’t descended of ryuma but chose a direct descendants to mix with zoro heritage.

what I’m saying that shimotsuki heritage was there mainly for ryuma and zoro connections because his parents have nothing do with shimotsuki except his grandmother from his father side.

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I can't blame people for wanting to see Zoro shine in Wano. I myself remember 2016 me thinking that Luffy and Zoro would clash in Wano because of the Big Mom would become a danger on top of Kaido.. but finally I was underestimating their link. But we need to see that Zoro's story is not about his swords or his lineage or the land of Wano.

It's about his relationship to grief and death. Zoro never accepted the death of Kuina and he has turn all the anger on himself, sometimes pushing his body to the limits of the other world.

He doesn't need more strenght, he needs be liberated from the burden of strenght that he imposes on himself.

I actually would like that but I think it has to do with his parents.
It questions me why did zoro wanted to be the strongest swordsman in the first place ? Why did he want to be strong ? He was with his mother before she died then eventually became orphan.

what made him wanted to be the strongest 🧐
Whitebeard wanted to be the strongest because to protect his family but why zoro ?

 

[Logiko]

It questions me why did zoro wanted to be the strongest swordsman in the first place ? Why did he want to be strong ? He was with his mother before she died then eventually became orphan.

I like this idea.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

A lot of people don’t see it but ryuma will be important character for the plot otherwise why did oda made ryuma canon character and giving him “god blade “ title

That is what i am referring to. Ryuma is the important factor here not Zoro. When we know more about the past Ryuma will be more relevant and we will keep connecting his actions to Zoro.

History repeating itself etc etc.. that is what i am getting at this point of the story.

 

[warsame zaylai]

That is what i am referring to. Ryuma is the important factor here not Zoro. When we know more about the past Ryuma will be more relevant and we will keep connecting his actions to Zoro.

History repeating itself etc etc.. that is what i am getting at this point of the story.

I also believe zoro father is also important factor

idk much about his father but his grandfather pinzoro is based of this guy

A famous navigator and explorer in the new world (America world ) along side with Columbus.
Oda based zoro grandfather on a real explorer which could mean Zoro grandfather could’ve been someone like robin who had insane knowledge of the one piece world and he found out about ryuma and his clan so he might be the reason why shimotsuki clan survived in east blue 👀

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

I also believe zoro father is also important factor

idk much about his father but his grandfather pinzoro is based of this guy

A famous navigator and explorer in the new world (America world ) along side with Columbus.
Oda based zoro grandfather on a real explorer which could mean Zoro grandfather could’ve been someone like robin who had insane knowledge of the one piece world and he found out about ryuma and his clan so he might be the reason why shimotsuki clan survived in east blue 👀

Sure the thing is will he actually explain it all in the actual story?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Sure the thing is will he actually explain it all in the actually story?

 

[Rumble]

Zoro is an limited character by design. Oda could do more with him if he wanted to, but he hasn't for reasons only he knows.

The only real limitation is imagination, and it seems Oda's imagination regarding Zoro only extends to aura farming and one liners.

That's enough for most stans of the character, but probably not so much for genuine fans that expect character development to mean more than CoC and techniques with cool names he only uses once or twice.

Unfortunately Zoro isn't the only victim of Oda's lack of desire/imagination, he is just the most prominent because Oda insists on giving him so much panel time while keeping him static and relatively boring.

Fans spent many years (decades?) convinced Wano would be all about Zoro. The expectation was obvious, and it's not like Oda didn't plant seeds for it. It just didn't materialise, which is funny because it upsets his annoying ass stans, but also a shame.

 

[Juanpiz]

His Family:Mostly unimportant

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

His Family:Mostly unimportant

There's a reason why Oda dedicated a whole flashback arc for Sanji's family while putting Zoro's whole lineage in an SBS....

 

[warsame zaylai]

Sure the thing is will he actually explain it all in the actually story?

Yh

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Zoro is an limited character by design. Oda could do more with him if he wanted to, but he hasn't for reasons only he knows.

The only real limitation is imagination, and it seems Oda's imagination regarding Zoro only extends to aura farming and one liners.

That's enough for most stans of the character, but probably not so much for genuine fans that expect character development to mean more than CoC and techniques with cool names he only uses once or twice.

Unfortunately Zoro isn't the only victim of Oda's lack of desire/imagination, he is just the most prominent because Oda insists on giving him so much panel time while keeping him static and relatively boring.

Fans spent many years (decades?) convinced Wano would be all about Zoro. The expectation was obvious, and it's not like Oda didn't plant seeds for it. It just didn't materialise, which is funny because it upsets his annoying ass stans, but also a shame.

He still has a chance left
To be fair I don’t see wano development arc cuz his parents ain’t from wano.

but I’m expecting oda to start hinting zoro parents soon

 

[Juanpiz]

There's a reason why Oda dedicated a whole flashback arc for Sanji's family while putting Zoro's whole lineage in an SBS....

 

[warsame zaylai]

There's a reason why Oda dedicated a whole flashback arc for Sanji's family while putting Zoro's whole lineage in an SBS....

Putting his whole lineage in the sbs is fine lol
The guy wanted to know how zoro is shimotsuki or connected to ryuma so oda drew his whole lineage for us to understand. He hasn’t said the backstory of his parents yet

people make a big deal out of it when nothing big really

 

[Juanpiz]

Putting his whole lineage in the sbs is fine lol
The guy wanted to know how zoro is shimotsuki or connected to ryuma so oda drew his whole lineage for us to understand. He hasn’t said the backstory of his parents yet

people make a big deal out of it when nothing big really

People would complain about the typical overpowered Anime Character with powerful lineage anyway