Chapter Discussion Oda and his terrible writing.

#21
king and queen are the same. i dont know how you think King is greater than Queen when atleast Queen showed an ability to completly crush even the strongest armament users.

king literally only showed Building level damage like Jack. Even kaku left zoro bloody and nearly killed zoro many times. kings fire dragon didnt even singe Zoros clothing from what I can tell.
I am not taking you serious after this. I am not gonna waste my time answering to you. Dont quote me
 
#22
I hate Oda, but this ain't it, chief.

I actually enjoyed the fights. You are forgetting something, let me help you.

King and Queen have been fighting Marco. So, somehow they were already exhausted.
Queen vs Sanji was pretty long and Queen tried everything that he could. King vs Zoro was meant to be like this, King was exposed and Zoro took advantage of that. Blame King for relying too much on his special traits and not improving his sword skills. He tried to take away Zoro's swords even in the last moments of the fight.
This reiterate that Katakuri > King, I am not listening to King stans, Kata has been >>>>
 

Warchief Sanji D Goat

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#24
But this is how Oda always role with though?
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Sanji fainted right next, that was no mid diff
You can see it this chapter when Sanji fainted.
Nah. Sanji didn't faint. The spoilers is misleading again. The chapter shows Sanji talking with Osome and the dialogue gets cut off. That's like saying Luffy got fainted against Lucci because we didn't see him after the fight. Or Zoro against Mr. 1 because we didn't see Zoro afterwards.
Sanji practically died once vs Queen ....
Got exoskeleton then defeats Queen with his second life and ultimately collapses .

This ain't a mid diff.

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By that logic, Luffy died against Kaido and needed meat to revive him. Or Zoro died against Kaido and needed Sanji to bandage him up and take the pill. LOL.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#27
But this is how Oda always role with though?


Nah. Sanji didn't faint. The spoilers is misleading again. The chapter shows Sanji talking with Osome and the dialogue gets cut off. That's like saying Luffy got fainted against Lucci because we didn't see him after the fight. Or Zoro against Mr. 1 because we didn't see Zoro afterwards.

By that logic, Luffy died against Kaido and needed meat to revive him. Or Zoro died against Kaido and needed Sanji to bandage him up and take the pill. LOL.
MZ himself admitted that Sanji fainted bro
 
#28
By that logic, Luffy died against Kaido and needed meat to revive him. Or Zoro died against Kaido and needed Sanji to bandage him up and take the pill. LOL.
I mean yeah that kinda is what happened though. Luffy was unable to continue fighting and got revived. Zoro was unable to continue fighting and got repaired. Sanji was unable to continue fighting and got repaired. There's nothing wrong with that, Sanji still showed that he far surpassed Queen in the end even if he was tired or whatever
 
#29
This complaint applies to Jack and the other fights, but both Queen and King had fairly long and developed fights, at least for One Piece's standards for non Luffy fights.
I guess it really falls victim to off paneling. I don't even remember the Sanji's fight to be honest. I cant remember the scene were they first clashed. I just know queen wanted to see stealth black, he crushed Sanji, sanji ran off then Sanji started manhandling Queen and beat him with a kick where I can't REALLY see the details. Who really beat Jack anyway.. i know it was probably Dog or cat but I'm sure whoever it was didn't really get that glorious revenge against the man who destroyed their nation and poisoned his entire race. I'm sure it was just scene jumping and then a giant panel of an attack with some unknown magnitude putting down an enemy who we can't tell how much damage they received because they fought different opponents over like 50 chapters and have about 6 pages worth of fighting panels max.

My whole point is Luffy's epic ass rooftop appearance was destroyed because he use ryou then kept getting slapped down by the Yonkous then he started doing cocaine in the corner with kidd while Law cosplayed and Zoro scratched his butt, then 20 or so chapters of much weaker people fighting. When we get back to the rooftop Big mom and kaidou are vaguely trying to put down the five and somehow they all jump in power to be able to withstand hybrid Kaidou then Luffy is likes cool I can split sky. Then he runs out of energy or is defeated... Oda never explains and somehow kidd and Law can hold off big mom and she's not complelty destroying the island withever single blow? Is this the same woman who casually could walk through solid earth like I walk through air? She now is using her own soul because kidd hit her with steal beams?

Other than Luffy I think we can agree the fights on wano are bad.
 
#30
Nah. Sanji didn't faint. The spoilers is misleading again. The chapter shows Sanji talking with Osome and the dialogue gets cut off. That's like saying Luffy got fainted against Lucci because we didn't see him after the fight. Or Zoro against Mr. 1 because we didn't see Zoro afterwards.
Sanji loses his balance and there is a falling sound effect and Osome saying help he needs medical treatment.
I think Oda wanted to show Sanji's exhaustion after his battle from Queen. I am 99 percent sure he collapsed because of his injuries from Queen fight but i can be wrong of course.
Maybe Sanji wakes up few chapters later.
 
#31
What the fuck Kanjuro choreography was? Zoro vs King was the best fighting choreography of this raid, arc maybe even from whole One Piece or even whole manga history.

But I agree, Queen was defeated too easy. King... hard to tell. Was better written than Queen's fight but Oda has to decide if King is YC 1 or above Yonko. If he was YC 1 Zoro mid diffing was expected. If he was above Yonko than it should have being a little tougher.
I think only King's durability is above Kaido's, though, but we already knew Zoro could take care of Kaido's dura, so Zoro taking care of King's after awakening Adv. CoC was no surprise.
 
#34
Bruh….the fact that people really think Sanji fainted from being electricuted and slammed into walls is some of the most pathetic downplay I’ve ever seen…..

Queen literally confirmed it himself….it was because Sanji moved so fast he appeared invisible which takes a lot of stamina+the fact he delivered multiple other kicks afterwards lol…..

Agenda bois want it to be over mid diff so bad
 
#35
Commander fights ended before fukurakujo , numbers , orochi thats why i think it got rushed .
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another thread bitching about Oda, why do you people read OP when all you ever do is complain about it:tchpepe:
Criticism should always be welcome. One piece has not been great since timeskip its just unanimous opinion right now. One to two chapter dont change much.

Drop in sales is also reason reader stopped following it
 
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#38
I guess it really falls victim to off paneling. I don't even remember the Sanji's fight to be honest. I cant remember the scene were they first clashed. I just know queen wanted to see stealth black, he crushed Sanji, sanji ran off then Sanji started manhandling Queen and beat him with a kick where I can't REALLY see the details. Who really beat Jack anyway.. i know it was probably Dog or cat but I'm sure whoever it was didn't really get that glorious revenge against the man who destroyed their nation and poisoned his entire race. I'm sure it was just scene jumping and then a giant panel of an attack with some unknown magnitude putting down an enemy who we can't tell how much damage they received because they fought different opponents over like 50 chapters and have about 6 pages worth of fighting panels max.

My whole point is Luffy's epic ass rooftop appearance was destroyed because he use ryou then kept getting slapped down by the Yonkous then he started doing cocaine in the corner with kidd while Law cosplayed and Zoro scratched his butt, then 20 or so chapters of much weaker people fighting. When we get back to the rooftop Big mom and kaidou are vaguely trying to put down the five and somehow they all jump in power to be able to withstand hybrid Kaidou then Luffy is likes cool I can split sky. Then he runs out of energy or is defeated... Oda never explains and somehow kidd and Law can hold off big mom and she's not complelty destroying the island withever single blow? Is this the same woman who casually could walk through solid earth like I walk through air? She now is using her own soul because kidd hit her with steal beams?

Other than Luffy I think we can agree the fights on wano are bad.
BM was made into a gag character, its really sad.
 
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