Character Discussion Oda did Kuma/Ivankov dirty

[soheilhazrat]

Oda did them dirty to wank Sabo, they are one of the founders but are just officers working under Dragon/Sabo, Kuma isnt even human anymore ffs

kuma and ivankov deserve better place in the crew/army

 

[Peppercore]

i agree with ivankov. oda put him as dragons right hand man and yet he's never treated that way by the narrative. we saw it like one time and thats it. kuma at least will be getting more lore and story

 

[soheilhazrat]

i agree with ivankov. oda put him as dragons right hand man and yet he's never treated that way by the narrative. we saw it like one time and thats it. kuma at least will be getting more lore and story

He literally does every thing a right hand man/secondary capitan does but hey gotta wank Luffy's brother!

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I do wonder what dragons plan was by putting Kuma in the warlords and Iva in Impel Down.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Feel like before Sabo joined:
Dragon>Captain
Kuma>YC1
Ivankov>YC2

While Sabo joined and Kuma also seems be back I can see this:
Leader>Dragon
Top 3 Commanders>Sabo(vice),Kuma and Ivankov

 

[Jailer]

He literally does every thing a right hand man/secondary capitan does but hey gotta wank Luffy's brother!

Luffy's brother is close to reaching Dragon's level according to latest chapters, Ivankov still stays as the center commander, with authorithy over the other 4.

 

[NikaInParis]

Even the rest of the commanders have been really underwhelming imo. But Ivankov has been sidelined and clowned the most. Kuma at least has focus on him.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Kuma became a robot for the WG, and Ivankov was imprisoned for 5 years...

Sabo took up the mantle, because both Kuma and Ivankov were out of the picture, and the position needed to be filled.

 

[NAMELESS]

If Kuma gets healed he could make a comeback.Well,the revs are not a standard army.They fight guerrila wars and start revolts,they don't need to be top tiers.

 

[Egghead]

Sabo >>>>>>>>

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Sabo is a fujobait and shounenbait.

Ivankov is associated with Sanji.

It's clear as day how Oda will treat them.

 

[[No Name]]

Feel like before Sabo joined:
Dragon>Captain
Kuma>YC1
Ivankov>YC2

While Sabo joined and Kuma also seems be back I can see this:
Leader>Dragon
Top 3 Commanders>Sabo(vice),Kuma and Ivankov

Wut. Iva was the right hand man.

 

[Herrera95]

Agree. Oda has to desperately make someone around "target audience" age to be important over adults.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

In all fairness; Sabos connection to the revs has become secondary to his character now because in the eyes of the world he’s become a revolutionary force of his own and people have been raising his flag and not the RAs flag.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I do wonder what dragons plan was by putting Kuma in the warlords and Iva in Impel Down.

Spies lmao.

 

[Kiiro]

Sabo joined in when it mostly started, so he also might like a founder

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Sabo is a fujobait and shounenbait

What does this mean??

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Ivankov and Kuma are bums that got captured by WG

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Good, it changes the status quo of crews/organizations.
Sabo has more potential and we know that in 99% of the cases the strongest people in a group are the leaders.