Character Discussion Oda failed to make King and Queen menacing characters?

[Fallen Prince]

We get few panel on both king and Queen. I feel Queen has ridiculous past to end up being commander , turns out he has fun aide and menancing like hogback seeing people as termites .

I have no idea why king is added ? Maybe its reserved for strawhat to level up considering endgame is near . Zoro and sanji are nowhere near to General level fighters .

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

It's not just King and Queen, both Yonko crews so far (tbh most Post TS antagonists in general) haven't been threatening for a number of reasons.

- The complete lack of tension. Oda constantly building up fake tension and using copouts/asspulls to save the protagonists (and side chars nobody cares about like Pound) has ruined any tension that could be had. How we can we be worried when we don't expect anyone important on the good guys' side to die?
- PIS. Thanks to Oda throwing in the heroes into impossible situations, he often has to dumb the antagonists down to absurd levels to ensure their survival, my favorite example is probably Perospero refusing to shoot the Vinsmokes so he can perfect his Dio/Meruem impersonation.
- Maybe it's just me, but part of me feels like Oda doesn't want proper antagonists anymore, except for maybe the final war, and that's a big maybe. Last decent antagonist for me was Vergo back in Punk Hazard, which was what...6-7 years ago? Even with Kaido, who he's built up for years, Oda obliterated his crediblity as a villain with the infamous King of the Hostages scene. I don't care he kills off the Scabbards (possibly the worst group of allies to date), the damage has been done. He might be able to give us an actually good fight, but Kaido will never be able to fully live up to his potential.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Didn't Ussop tank the same explosion in Punk Hazard that supposedly fucked Sanji up so much that he could barely handle blocking a few kicks from Vergo? Seems to me that Sanji's just as brittle as chalk.

Nah Usopp just has better durability than queens bastard

 

[MugiwaraMaster]

That awkward moment when the fucking Minotaurus from Impel Down is more threatening than Queen.

One is a persistent juggernaut that recover very easily and pursues his victims until they are beaten with an inch of their life. The other is a fat guy that likes to dance and screams over the simplest things.

 

[MonsterZoro]

Queen temporarly Knocked out zoro for a few minutes and made him bleed on the fourhead after he woke back up with a no name bite.

 

[pg13]

It's not just King and Queen, both Yonko crews so far (tbh most Post TS antagonists in general) haven't been threatening for a number of reasons.

- The complete lack of tension. Oda constantly building up fake tension and using copouts/asspulls to save the protagonists (and side chars nobody cares about like Pound) has ruined any tension that could be had. How we can we be worried when we don't expect anyone important on the good guys' side to die?
- PIS. Thanks to Oda throwing in the heroes into impossible situations, he often has to dumb the antagonists down to absurd levels to ensure their survival, my favorite example is probably Perospero refusing to shoot the Vinsmokes so he can perfect his Dio/Meruem impersonation.
- Maybe it's just me, but part of me feels like Oda doesn't want proper antagonists anymore, except for maybe the final war, and that's a big maybe. Last decent antagonist for me was Vergo back in Punk Hazard, which was what...6-7 years ago? Even with Kaido, who he's built up for years, Oda obliterated his crediblity as a villain with the infamous King of the Hostages scene. I don't care he kills off the Scabbards (possibly the worst group of allies to date), the damage has been done. He might be able to give us an actually good fight, but Kaido will never be able to fully live up to his potential.

Doflamingo was a much better antagonist than Vergo. Probably the best antagonist post timeskip.....

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

It's not just King and Queen, both Yonko crews so far (tbh most Post TS antagonists in general) haven't been threatening for a number of reasons.

- The complete lack of tension. Oda constantly building up fake tension and using copouts/asspulls to save the protagonists (and side chars nobody cares about like Pound) has ruined any tension that could be had. How we can we be worried when we don't expect anyone important on the good guys' side to die?
- PIS. Thanks to Oda throwing in the heroes into impossible situations, he often has to dumb the antagonists down to absurd levels to ensure their survival, my favorite example is probably Perospero refusing to shoot the Vinsmokes so he can perfect his Dio/Meruem impersonation.
- Maybe it's just me, but part of me feels like Oda doesn't want proper antagonists anymore, except for maybe the final war, and that's a big maybe. Last decent antagonist for me was Vergo back in Punk Hazard, which was what...6-7 years ago? Even with Kaido, who he's built up for years, Oda obliterated his crediblity as a villain with the infamous King of the Hostages scene. I don't care he kills off the Scabbards (possibly the worst group of allies to date), the damage has been done. He might be able to give us an actually good fight, but Kaido will never be able to fully live up to his potential.

Side characters were always saved from death this isn't new (Ex. Pell).
PIS has been in every arc and in every shonen in manga. In marineford Kizaru chose to shoot the key instead of Luffy or Ace or both.
Doflamingo and Kata are 2 of the best antagonists in the series.

It seems a lot of criticism of post TS seem to be blinded by nostalgia and dont see that these things have existed for the entirety of the manga

 

[DarkWitch]

Queen is absolutely to be feared based on his showcase so far


This man captured a Yonko and delivered it tied up like a prized piglet

He's a beast who laughs at the thought of facing a Conqueror

Treating these Supernova like kids playing Pirates Games

casually handling Luffy in base without even looking at him

fucking up X Drake without breaking a sweat

or throwing Luffy's and Zoro's asses to the lowest floor as soon as they get too gutsy and try to aim for his captain.

With just one of his Plagues, this man had the feared Wano Samurai and the Yakuza running for their lives, and would have slaughtered them by the thousands without even having to get his hands dirty.

It took the combined effort of multiple Supernova, Straw Hats, the best doctor in the world and a Yonko FM with the perfect ability for the task to containt the situation, and even that wouldn't have been possible if they did not get their hands on the antidote Queen had made for that particular Plague in the first place.

Queen has already showed us that among top YC he is outstanding, which his bounty reflects, and did so without even properly revealing his actual combat style and engaging in any significant 1 vs 1 combat, let alone the Hybrid form which will combine his already impressive physical might, with that of the Largest Ancient Zoan Devil Fruit in the manga.

Hybrid Queen will be an absolute monster, dwarfing the puny F6 in both sheer size and absolute power

It's almost like some people ignore these moments from Queen and act like he shouldn't be taken seriously just because he's goofy, what I like about Queen is that he can be both goofy but also serious at the same time. Queen is a good mix of being both wacky and intimidating, both Jack and King are already serious characters so it's nice to have at least one Calamity that isn't always serious.

Even though Queen has goofy moments, he also has moments like these where he can get very serious.

 

[zzShinichi]

Queen is pretty fucking scary when he's serious i will give him that, more than i can say for the like of Snack, Cracker and Smoothie.

 

[Just a member]

Where did king beat sanji? Or saves the day?
He failed to Kill sanji, failed to recover Momo
He simply failed while sanji succeded

Maybe I typed this wrong, what I meant was that he pretty much beat Sanji but not the RS which saved the day for him (Sanji).

 

[Midnight Delight]

That one scene where Queen was yelling his lung out at X Drake was pretty intimidating, especially when it came as if he was gonna break Drake's bones over any answer he didn't like

 

[Finalbeta]

That one scene where Queen was yelling his lung out at X Drake was pretty intimidating, especially when it came as if he was gonna break Drake's bones over any answer he didn't like

I think he was rather funny than intimidating but it's pretty subjective in my opinion. There's not necessarily a well cut definition of what's intimidating but it's related to the observer.

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

Doflamingo was a much better antagonist than Vergo.

Personally Doflamingo got ruined for me, thanks to Oda turning him into Crocodile 2.0 and all the dumb decisions he made despite saying he wouldn’t underestimate the SHs.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

@Chaves you nailed it on the King the Background and Queen the Scaredy Cat.:cheers: