General & Others Oda is trying to redeem Marine Admirals

[Lor D. Coast]

Kizaru is still Akainu's boy, he might not help Saturn but he'll still try to kill the Strawhats.

 

[Herrera95]

People who don't know Kizaru saying shit about Kizaru.

 

[kumae]

I've been saying for a while they're not final or even villains
Kizaru after this arc is going to doubt of the wg and when the times comes he will go against them aokiji joined BB with a purpose we also saw him freazing his tears after "killing"his teacher fujitora is always disobeying wg and do whatever he wants for the sake of people and even akainu i'll dare to say his sentence to kuma chapters ago was also referring to him since he is some kind of slave obeying CD and above questioning his own freedom
The only one it seems aramaki

 

[Daves John]

Do these OP specialists like @Paperchampion23, @Sir Yasheen and @Extravlad realize that outside of the clear surpremacy from Luffy in their encounter, if Kizaru got up to feed Luffy as a hope that he defeats Saturn, instead of facing Saturn himself, it automatically puts Luffy above Kizaru?

That's not coherent at all. There is difference between sneaking some food to Luffy with no one knowing what you have done and straight up jumping your boss. Not to mention that Kizaru wouldn't heal from food, like Luffy does

 

[silverfire]

Do these OP specialists like @Paperchampion23, @Sir Yasheen and @Extravlad realize that outside of the clear surpremacy from Luffy in their encounter, if Kizaru got up to feed Luffy as a hope that he defeats Saturn, instead of facing Saturn himself, it automatically puts Luffy above Kizaru?

Drop it dude, you’re just coming across as a huge jackass. Only Vlad is even a part of the “admiral agenda” All @Paperchampion23 and @Sir Yasheen did is commit the apparently grave sin of questioning your theories, and the one incessantly poking the bear as a result is you.

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Yes it seems Oda is definitely portraying the Admirals way different to the Gorosei and Garling. I've always said that Akainu isn't straight evil and there will be more to his character.

If Kizaru keeps it professional it's alright if he helps out Luffy if it serves to save Bonney and Sentomaru.

Kuzan feels guilty because of Robin so he'll help them out because of that.

The admirals have always been antagonists, not outright villains. On paper, they’re the “good guys,” and at the least we know that people like Garp, Issho, smoker, Kuzan, Koby joined to try to do good in the world. They’re not warlords or human traffickers. Having to be complicit in atrocities isn’t easy for any of them.

 

[NotHereForSpoilers]

Yes it seems Oda is definitely portraying the Admirals way different to the Gorosei and Garling. I've always said that Akainu isn't straight evil and there will be more to his character.

If Kizaru keeps it professional it's alright if he helps out Luffy if it serves to save Bonney and Sentomaru.

Kuzan feels guilty because of Robin so he'll help them out because of that.

I agree to an extent. Kuzan and Kizaru have never been shown to be evil. Akainu is actually a murderer though and killed luffys brother. There is no redemption for him imo. He will have a backstory like everyone else though

 

[SkySanji]

It redeems them morally but making them Nika fanboys is just a basterdization of their character lmao, pretty much akin to Naruto and the villains becoming allies because Naruto talked to them.

 

[Peenix]

So looks like Admirals are slowly becoming fanboys of Nika/Luffy . The Nika disease is real just like talk no jutsu .

After Fuji , Kizaru is latest victim to Nika syndrome . Kuzan is partially affected due to Garp but we know luffy will show the way during BB arc .

Greenbull and Akainu are only admirals left to be Tnjed and it will be tough task for Nika since they are big fan boy of slavery and Genocide .

I think in the final war, there's going to be a major divide in the Marines, and each of the Admirals are going to side with different factions

Kizaru will be an ally of the Strawhats (Probably alongside Vegapunk and Sentomaru)

Fujitora will be an ally of the Revolutionaries

Kuzan will be a member of the Blackbeard Pirates

Akainu and a large bulk of the Marines will turn against the CDs so they can create their vision of Absolute Justice

Ryokugyu will be a hard-line loyalist to the CDs and will side with them against the Marines.

 

[Kishido]

All black haired admirals will be redeemed... So only GreenBull left

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Kizaru is still Akainu's boy, he might not help Saturn but he'll still try to kill the Strawhats.

Can’t wait Akainu to hear the reaction when Kizaru quits his job .

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Redeem them from what?

You do understand, that they joined the Marines because they wanted to protect people, right? Some Marines might do morally questionable things, but at the end of the day, they do it believing that it's for the better good.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

There is still that SBS btw.

Elab please? I am curious.

 

[Dragon777]

Elab please? I am curious.

Back in volume 75, a dude "proposed" a theory to Oda. Based on this theory (which was based on Momotaro's legend), the dude stated that Fujitora and Ryokugyu could have harbored secret feelings of aversion if not outright hostility towards the WG.

Oda jokingly denied, while implicitly admitting the theory was spot on and he was found out (panic, cold sweat and such):

Now we have seen that Ryokugyu seems the exact opposite of that...which is kind of fishy. Or at least it could be.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Some people don’t seem to be able to differentiate between villains and antagonists.

The Admirals have always each had their own sense of Justice. Even if some side with Nika in the end, it won’t be because of some weird devotion but what they consider to be just.