General & Others Oda thinks that Luffy getting defeating 10 times is tension !

[Charlotte Sky]

I see a lot of users here getting tired of oda doing this and I am happy they started to realize it.
I know that hack should be taken with a grain of salt but I just want to express my thoughts because oda is driving me crazy with his terrible writing lol

almost all fans I know prior to the garbage rooftop battle thought that we should get Laido VS Luffy, Kidd & law.
However... it looks like the Luffy show will continue:

- law left for Luffy sama to solo and Now he is running around, possibly to shit on big mom who he has ZERO connection with.

- Kidd left to fight big mom; both forgot who they wanted to kill conveniently

- both Kidd and law didn’t contribute to damage kaido.they were there to spit on big mom who herself was there for zoro to clown the yonko to bring in the cash

what i am trying to say here is. Luffy will SOLO kaido at the end.
He can lose 100 times and it will only get worse.

The fight should have been Luffy, Kidd and law and ALL should contribute to it almost EQUALLY. Luffy can have the finishing blow but that’s it.

And it doesn’t help when oda is giving kaido time to recover to full health.

also a little off topic:
Luffy losing multiple times have been consumed too much by oda. Even ceaser made him lose multiple times which ruins any tension and when faced against top guys like Laido. It’s like fake deaths in someway.

 

[sanjikun]

Fake hype. I've always stated, we won't see Luffy's true potential until the very end of the arc.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Luffy getting owned by gifters and trash like Caesar is way worse then him losing to Kaido a couple of times.

 

[Charlotte Sky]

Fake hype. I've always stated, we won't see Luffy's true potential until the very end of the arc.

Yeah I agree oda not showing Luffy full potential but then saying he lost is bullshit. It’s like the calamities not using their hybrid forms all this time

 

[Topi Jerami]

Luffy get one shotted and will defeat the same enemy who one shotted him in the same arc.

 

[Herrera95]

Luffy get one shotted and will defeat the same enemy who one shotted him in the same arc.

Fanboys: "Oh but he trained at Udon. He learned adv haki. He is a fighting genius. He is a prodigy. No is not plot armor. No is not fate. One Piece have never being so great. You are a hater. You hate One Piece!"

 

[Blackknife]

Caesar winning was Luffy getting caught off-guard by a tricky ability, the same with Apoo. This is not dbz, where all characters fight the same and who has the higher powerlevel automatically wins. Luffy has been winning against characters who were stronger than him all his life by adapting.

• Water to counter Crocodile
• Rubber against Enel
• "Developed" G2 and G3 to fight Lucci six powers(which was an asspull, it came out of nowhere)
• Snakeman against future sight users( at least we got a flashback for this)

Also I predict 100% that Zoro and Luffy double team will bring down Kaido in the end, there is too much thematic weight on Zoro to not fight Kaido.

Also something I like about Luffy is him losing often then bouncing back to win is a thousand times better than him getting a random Kyubi/Hollow/ssj power-up and win.

 

[Herrera95]

Caesar winning was Luffy getting caught off-guard by a tricky ability, the same with Apoo. This is not dbz, where all characters fight the same and who has the higher powerlevel automatically wins. Luffy has been winning against characters who were stronger than him all his life by adapting.

• Water to counter Crocodile
• Rubber against Enel
• "Developed" G2 and G3 to fight Lucci six powers(which was an asspull, it came out of nowhere)
• Snakeman against future sight users( at least we got a flashback for this)

Luffy losing often then bouncing back to win is a thousand times better than him getting a random Kyubi/Hollow/ssj power-up and win.

Wash your hands before digiting about DBZ. It is way more consistent then OP and have no asspulling. SSJ was foreshadow since beginning of Freeza arc and rage was always a power up in entire series, DBZ never had that shit of being calm to fight better.

Luffy never defeated anyone stronger than him. Crocodile wasn't stronger, he was just untangible. Same thing Enel. Luffy had showed/foreshadow G2 and G3 before fighting Lucci.
Snakeman against future sight users? Luffy had Snakeman and never thought on using it against those type of people. He just realized at fight that Snakeman would be better than Boundman against Katakuri. Anyway he didn't got faster than Katakuri and still lost at the end. Flashback for this?

Luffy getting caught off-guard by trick ability? Why he has CoO? And FS against Apoo? Apoo was even worst, Luffy got two-shotted by him and then he "survived" Thunder Bagua half hitting him. Oda showed Apoo Yonko level feats and after that he was just making fun of him like he did with Big Mom.
Oda always shows Luffy strugging with random characters and then winning against the strongest ones. WCI Luffy lost to that army of BM but took many more hits when fighting Katakuri.

 

[Blackknife]

Wash your hands before digiting about DBZ. It is way more consistent then OP and have no asspulling. SSJ was foreshadow since beginning of Freeza arc and rage was always a power up in entire series, DBZ never had that shit of being calm to fight better.

Luffy never defeated anyone stronger than him. Crocodile wasn't stronger, he was just untangible. Same thing Enel. Luffy had showed/foreshadow G2 and G3 before fighting Lucci.
Snakeman against future sight users? Luffy had Snakeman and never thought on using it against those type of people. He just realized at fight that Snakeman would be better than Boundman against Katakuri. Anyway he didn't got faster than Katakuri and still lost at the end. Flashback for this?

Luffy getting caught off-guard by trick ability? Why he has CoO? And FS against Apoo? Apoo was even worst, Luffy got two-shotted by him and then he "survived" Thunder Bagua half hitting him. Oda showed Apoo Yonko level feats and after that he was just making fun of him like he did with Big Mom.
Oda always shows Luffy strugging with random characters and then winning against the strongest ones. WCI Luffy lost to that army of BM but took many more hits when fighting Katakuri.

First of all he didn't have it against Caesar and what the hell do you expect him to dodge against Apoo, he probably saw it coming but just exploded, nothing to dodge there.
Also i'm a big DBZ fan myself and yes compared to Naruto and Bleach it does Power-ups much better, nothing to argue with that.
Also as for snakeman, it was a all or nothing form, in which Luffy HAD to win or else he just dies. His plan was to stall as much as possible against Kata and while at it pratcice future sight, until he could'nt hold on any longer. Grandlinereview made a pretty good video about it.
Enel had future sight haki with the ability to one shot people, if Luffy doesn't have rubber, he dies. Crocodile was clashing with people like Doffy, Mihawk, Akainu do you seriously believe this guy was weaker?

 

[vikas]

Wait till we get to know that Oden is alive.

 

[Herrera95]

First of all he didn't have it against Caesar and what the hell do you expect him to dodge against Apoo, he probably saw it coming but just exploded, nothing to dodge there.
Also i'm a big DBZ fan myself and yes compared to Naruto and Bleach it does Power-ups much better, nothing to argue with that.
Also as for snakeman, it was a all or nothing form, in which Luffy HAD to win or else he just dies. His plan was to stall as much as possible against Kata and while at it pratcice future sight, until he could'nt hold on any longer. Grandlinereview made a pretty good video about it.
Enel had future sight haki with the ability to one shot people, if Luffy doesn't have rubber, he dies. Crocodile was clashing with people like Doffy, Mihawk, Akainu do you seriously believe this guy was weaker?

He had CoO against Caesar. FS is just bullshit because CoO always did the same. Is no different Katakuri dodging Luffy attacks from Luffy dodging Hody Jones attack.

He saw Apoo using his technique twice, he could have turn back like Zoro did after the got knocked out. He could have at least covered his face with haki like Doffy and Katakuri did with his "fast" attack while in G4.

Luffy lost to Katakuri anyway. He wasn't dying since Katakuri stabbed himself because of plot armor than Katakuri suddenly wanted a fair fight with him and not revenge BM.

Grandlinereview and all other YT content creators can't talk shit on OP otherwise their videos are not making views and not winning subscribers. They are literally the worst to talk about OP since they make money of it(besides Oda that doesn't understand his own work). Luffy took much less damage from BM pirates army than against Katakuri. Katakuri punches were the first that made Luffy get hurt when matching fists.

Enel have normal CoO combined with his DF just like Killua from HxH. He doesn't see future he reads opponents minds. That is why Luffy came up with his dumb form(aka regular form). Enel didn't killed Sanji, Nami. Who else? Pagaya right? But for sure Luffy wasn't winning if he wasn't the Rubber DF the same way Enel wouldn't be so strong if wasn't for his DF. So nothing to talk about here. Enel wasn't strong, only his DF.

Crocodile "clashed" with those people only at Marineford not before. And the only truly clash was with Mihawk, just Oda being inconsistency again thanks. Doffy just defended himself from Crocodile. And Akainu didn't care about Crocodile the same way he didn't care about Marco and Vista.

Just see Luffy fight with Crocodile again. Crocodile only believed in his DF and the poison on his claw not on his strength.

 

[Blackknife]

He had CoO against Caesar. FS is just bullshit because CoO always did the same. Is no different Katakuri dodging Luffy attacks from Luffy dodging Hody Jones attack.

He saw Apoo using his technique twice, he could have turn back like Zoro did after the got knocked out. He could have at least covered his face with haki like Doffy and Katakuri did with his "fast" attack while in G4.

Luffy lost to Katakuri anyway. He wasn't dying since Katakuri stabbed himself because of plot armor than Katakuri suddenly wanted a fair fight with him and not revenge BM.

Grandlinereview and all other YT content creators can't talk shit on OP otherwise their videos are not making views and not winning subscribers. They are literally the worst to talk about OP since they make money of it(besides Oda that doesn't understand his own work). Luffy took much less damage from BM pirates army than against Katakuri. Katakuri punches were the first that made Luffy get hurt when matching fists.

Enel have normal CoO combined with his DF just like Killua from HxH. He doesn't see future he reads opponents minds. That is why Luffy came up with his dumb form(aka regular form). Enel didn't killed Sanji, Nami. Who else? Pagaya right? But for sure Luffy wasn't winning if he wasn't the Rubber DF the same way Enel wouldn't be so strong if wasn't for his DF. So nothing to talk about here. Enel wasn't strong, only his DF.

Crocodile "clashed" with those people only at Marineford not before. And the only truly clash was with Mihawk, just Oda being inconsistency again thanks. Doffy just defended himself from Crocodile. And Akainu didn't care about Crocodile the same way he didn't care about Marco and Vista.

Just see Luffy fight with Crocodile again. Crocodile only believed in his DF and the poison on his claw not on his strength.

This is all whataboutism, Luffy got caught off-guard and that's it, Zoro even gave him a angry speech for that.

2/3 times crocodile won against Luffy, hence he was stronger and Luffy had to be saved by plot-armor.

Luffy isn't made of rubber ---> Enel one shots him.

Katakuri was still stronger than Luffy in the end, could have easily fought longer, but let Luffy go.

In conclusion, all of them were stronger at that time than Luffy

 

[m0nst3Rx]

luffy won't solo kaido in this arc he will remaining weaker than yonkos at the End of Wano. "final blow?" wtf kaido is not type who getting knocked out by fist of fodder lol

the Grandmaster & Kaido were sworn enemys. they are set up before even kaido was born
fans aint got problem with if luffy defeat 999th times in this arc,
:cheers:

 

[vikas]

luffy won't solo kaido in this arc he will remaining weaker than yonkos at the End of Wano. "final blow?" wtf kaido is not type who getting knocked out by fist of fodder lol

Weakest Yonko from the weakest sea

 

[Kai. Do]

Like I said in the other criticism posts: you just gotta learn to live with it and embrace the bullshit unfortunately.

But you are absolutely right. Having Luffy constantly failing and saved just to fight kaido again and again is tiresome. But Oda has pulled this shit for every major enemy Luffy has faced in the New World. Ceaser, Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri and now Kaido. Hody was really the one enemy Luffy was able to fight and take out without needing a break post time skip.

It really does loses a lot of tension in the fights. TBH ever since after the timeskip i'm more interested in Luffy post arc bounty updates than the final villan arc fight themselves.

I may hate it, but having said that i also expected this and was mentally prepared. Oda has done this crap with a lot enemies that Luffy faced, going back as early as Crocodile in Alabasta if i remember correctly. Yet i find the Crocodile fight to be more digestible, maybe because crocodile was a sly guy, whose hax logia devil fruit abilities and Luffy not knowing haki at the time allowed him to destroy Luffy on multiple occasions. Now coming into Wano with Luffy learning advanced Haki and yet still getting clobbered by Kaido feels like nothing has changed between now and then. And Luffy telling everyone else to go down because he can handle Kaido 1v1 just cause he got new haki was a poor choice of words.

I don't like it either, but neither am i surprised at this point. Just gotta embrace the bullshit.

I just hope whatever happens to Luffy in the sea will be worth it to make up for this overused stunt that Oda pulled. Joy boy reveal, voice of all things awakening or otherwise. It better be worth it.

 

[lee33]

Caesar winning was Luffy getting caught off-guard by a tricky ability, the same with Apoo.

Can you see Kaido taking a basic attack from Apoo and getting white eyed while needing King to carry him? Or how about Katakuri needing to be carried by a basic attack by Apoo? What about Queen or Jack?

 

[stairs-kun]

Fake hype. I've always stated, we won't see Luffy's true potential until the very end of the arc.

Luffy already showed his "true potential". I think you meant to say "Luffy hasn't used his plot armor at 100% yet."

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy most likely ain't soloing Kaido, Yamato shall also play a component. Not to mention Zoro also did play a compelling one.

If Luffy was the one to defeat Kaido Zoro would still most probably perform ZKK, or if Luffy failed extrnsively enough, he would most likely jump in and defeat him too, vanquishing him completely.

 

[trav]

it gives Luffy fans a reality check.
its good.

 

[Herrera95]

This is all whataboutism, Luffy got caught off-guard and that's it, Zoro even gave him a angry speech for that.

2/3 times crocodile won against Luffy, hence he was stronger and Luffy had to be saved by plot-armor.

Luffy isn't made of rubber ---> Enel one shots him.

Katakuri was still stronger than Luffy in the end, could have easily fought longer, but let Luffy go.

In conclusion, all of them were stronger at that time than Luffy

Luffy is the only one getting off-guard. Impressive. Let's say Luffy also beat every villain because they were off-guard.

Crocodile only winning against Luffy because of his Logia not his strength. Can you understand that? Same shit Smoker. Once Luffy learned haki they have no chance against him.

Enel didn't one shotted Sanji and Zoro but will one-shot Luffy? If Luffy isn't made of rubber and Enel isn't a Logia Luffy still winning. Can't take away Luffy DF without taking Enel Logia too.

Exactly, Katakuri let Luffy go. Luffy never won against Katakuri because Katakuri was stronger.

Luffy never beat someone stronger than him.

But Usopp did.