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Master OF Haki

Master OF Haki

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Charlotte Horchata said:
Then we have tons of bad writers if hyperboles are a lie. We, as readers, have enough critical thinking to understand certain things. For example, we also had Zoro assuring there's nothing he can't cut yet this is obviously wrong (can't cut fire, to begin with), but such exaggeration made sense in the context of his words and the impact Oda wanted to achieve. As I said, the tale of Oden and Kaido is an epic one (well, it is meant to be, at least), so Oda just went for a classic tool for storytelling: make it sound greater than it actually is. But again, the moment you see the big picture it just makes no sense for Oden and Kaido to be stronger than Whitebeard and Roger, and the moment we compare those two pair of figures, their plot relevance, etc. I believe we get to determine what is hyperbole and what is legit portrayal
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Again, you force me to repeat myself again and again...
All those examples that you brought up are one thing, only one or two things that are meant to hype up and exaggerate things, and yeas I agree, there's a place even for those kind of things but Oden case is much, much, much different.
1. If it was only Oden's words I would dismiss it.
2. If it was only narrator's words I would still dismiss it.
3. If it was only the feats I wouldn't even pay attention to it.
4. If it was only portrayal I wouldn't care less.
5. If it was only the hype I would bypass it.
6. If it was only the plot I wouldn't care that much.
7. If it was only comparison to the strongest I wouldn't mind.
8. If it was only Oden's followers having more YCs than the Yonkos themselves I wouldn't even bother.
9. If it was only Kaido taking Oden more seriously than Big Mom I again wouldn't care less.
But all together? At the same time? Like I'm not blind or stupid, if we're using facts and logic to power scale characters then Oden is at the very least equal to Whitbeard or maybe even little bit stronger. You gotta understand that it's in my interests so that Oden would be weaker but when even I came to this conclusion then there's something to it, and again maybe you're right and I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be wrong but I'm very pessimistic cuz I know how much Oda loves Samurais, I've read his interviews and SBS section and I'm telling you, the guy is the biggest fan boy of Samurais, but when It comes to power scaling, let's not be a hippocrates and pretend that all evidence that I brought up have zero value.
 
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CrocoShark

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#62
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Master OF Haki said:
So my thread about Kaido was received better than I thought it would, so now you are ready to a very harsh truth, it pains me to say it but all the evidence points at one direction which is that "Oden and Kaido surpassed Whitbeard and Roger in terms of strength" and I now it's bad, it's really bad but Oda wats a Samurai be the strongest and I can't do anything but to accept the truth, I hope I'm wrong but it's just hope with zero evidence.

Let's recap what I said about Oden vs Rayleigh thread.
By the way, if things come to a debate I wanna repost my old post as a factor, feel free to use it.

Guys I don't care who do you think will win in Rayleigh vs Katakuri fight, but stop comparing him to Oden, Oden is on different tier compared to Rayleigh.
Oden's backstory was similar to Big Mom's backstory (Oda is giving Oden a top tier potential like Big Mom) the guy was using Enma at age of 4.

Whitebeard stopped his crew members from fighting against Oden and told them to hide behind him.


Whitbeard knew that there's no one in his crew that could fight against Oden and even compares Oden to his previous crew members likes of Big Mom, Kaido, Shiki etc.

Roger like Whitbeard didn't let his crew members to fight against Oden (even though he was little bid late since Oden already defeated some of them) it was represented in comedic way, but that doesn't change the fact that both Roger and Whitbeard faced Oden by themselves, and even Rayleigh and Copper teamed up against Oden. Roger wouldn't be interested in Oden if Oden was on Rayleigh's level, he wanted to test him since Oden was somewhat compared to him, he wasn't on Roger's level but he was on the same tier.

In Roger pirates vs Whitbeard pirates panel we can't see Oden since Oden is fighting with Roger, Knowing Oden he wouldn't be interested in Rayleigh and would try to test his strength in against the strongest.

In this panel Oda compares Oden, Whitbread and Roger to Ace, Sabo and Luffy and guess what...
Against whom did Luffy and Sabo fight to test their strength? Yeah, against Ace Roger's son, Sabo was almost equal to Ace and and even defeated him multiple times while Luffy was always defeated by Ace and same dynamic is here.
I'm pretty sure Oden fought only against Roger and was always defeated like Luffy while Whitbeard was almost equal to Roger like Sabo to Ace, and even their wounds are on the same place the parallel is clear.

Oden scarred Kaido, that is feat that even Whitbeard and Roger couldn't achieve, and we Know that Whitbeard fought against Kaido.

Oda again comperes Oden to likes of Whitbeard and Roger (Oden himself says that if he can't defeat Kaido then nobody can) which means that Oden was at the very least equal to Whitbeard.

Stop comparing Oden to Rayleigh and this is saying you someone who hates Oden the most, I hate that character for ruining for me Wano arc, I hate his stupidity, I hate his designe and ugly face but I can accept the simple truth even though that Rayleigh is my top three characters. What Rayleigh did in Sabaody was the same what Marco did in mareanford, Rayleigh stopped Kizaru's attack in the same way how Marco stopped Kizaru's attack and fought back, keep it real and stop the BS.
My conclusion was based on the evidence from manga, that showed that Oden never fought against Rayleigh but only against Roger. Back then Oden was weaker and has become stronger while traveling with Roger and Whitbeard for around decade (look how powerful Luffy has become with 2 years of training and Oden had from 5 to 10 years of experience from Roger and Whitbeard) so he came back to Wano much stronger than he left Wano.

In my thread about Kaido people were telling me that Kaido now is much stronger than ha was 20 years ago, so here is what I responded to the same thing in deferent thread.
He indeed has become stronger but not considerably, not as much as you think he has.... what Oden said about "no one being able to defeat Kaido in their generation" means that Kaido was at the very least strong enough to defend himself against Admirals and Yonkos which means he was top tier back then and I'm not going to dismiss Oden's words because it goes against your subjective reality. This Idea of Kaido not being strong enough 20 years ago comes from Sengoku's comment about Big Mom and Kaido but people forget that he was talking about Rocks' time and not about 20 years ago. Why do people forget that Whitbeard reached his prime at age of 38? I mean Shanks is Yonko at age of 39 and he became Yonko 6 years ago, so he became Yonko at age of 33, Blackbeard is a Yonko at age of 40, Aokiji is now 49 years Old and he became Admiral around decade ago, so he became Admiral at age of 39, Luffy will become Yonko at age of 20 and he will be the Pirate King at age of 25+ and you're telling me that Kaido was much weaker back 20 years ago then he is now? Like come on man, this is beyond ridiculous.
Yes, Kaido has become stronger since then and I agree with you guys 100%, but the gap between Kaido 20 years ago and now is so small that it's almost irrelevant.

The evidence of Oden and Kaido being the strongest.

We know that Kaido has fought against Rocks' crew members numerous times, we know that Roger and Garp clashed at least for few seconds with Kaido, we Know that Kaido has challenged both Marians and Yonkos but the only one who was able to scar Kaido was Oden, and he did it casually as if it was a regular thecnique and if you think that it was only back when Kaido was just an apprentice in Rocks' crew, then look at this.

Big Mom and Kaido had all out fight for 24 hours and no one was damaged nether to say scared (big feats for Big Mom), Shanks and Kaido had clash with each other with same result, and look at Kaido's scar... it's Big, like really big. It's the biggest scar in one piece it's even bigger than Oden who is around 4 meters tall, Oden's AP is fu:k:d up.

So, now look what nnarrator said about both Kaido and Oden's strength.

Keep in mind that Kaido was called WSC after Oden's death, I'd say Oden was the strongest on the land and after Kaido killed him he became the WSC. It's no wander that Kaido was scared of Oden since he had the power to kill him, keep in mind that back then Kaido wasn't suicidal and he became the one after Oden's death, could that be that Oden was the only one who could possibly kill Kaido and now the world is boring whiteout the only one who could kill Kaido?

And here Oden confirms what I said. Oden puts himself above Whitbeard cuz Whitbeard is still alive and healthy, and I'm not going to consider that Oden was mentally ill hence Oden>Whitbread=Roger just like Kaido>Whitbeard=Roger Oden suggests that amongst all people on the planet he's the only one who has the chance to kill Kaido and if he can't then nobody can't, which means Kaido was and is stronger than Roger and Whitbeard. If It was just one factor/evidence then I wouldn't pay attention but there's to much for me to dismiss it.

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What kind of BS is this? It has been numerous times stated that Roger and Whitbeard were the strongest and you think Kaido and even fucking Oden surpassed them in strength? I would agree that Kaido is the second strongest after Whitbeard and Roger but not Oden, Oden is Just YC1.
 
Olimaat

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Yes currently. I think overall he would be WSM if he was currently alive. I don't think Kaido improved his strength because he was already around 38/48 20 years ago. I think Zoro will never surpass Oden. I place Zoro YC2 with Queen or Smoothie atm before his end of Wano power up. @Finalbeta
 
HA001

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#73
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Olimaat said:
Yes currently. I think overall he would be WSM if he was currently alive. I don't think Kaido improved his strength because he was already around 38/48 20 years ago. I think Zoro will never surpass Oden. I place Zoro YC2 with Queen or Smoothie atm before his end of Wano power up. @Finalbeta
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Lmfao no.
Oden hit his peak by his own admission.
He wouldnt get any stronger.
Zoro is going to surpass oden when he turns enma black.
 
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