General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain
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What does Oda say? This is fucking basic english, it shouldn't be that hard.
To get the wrong idea by this it's unbelievable bias or plain illiteracy.
The funniest thing is that Zoro haters seem to enjoy the SBS...
... while it does actually destroy everything they dreamt for.
First of all: as much as some people bark, nowhere in the SBS is stated that Zoro is not the vice captain.
The 102 SBS indeed officially certifies two things:
- Zoro is undesputably the second strongest Strawhat, and therefore he is undesputably stronger than Sanji (that was blatantly obvious, but some trolls seem to not accept this, and most likely will never).
- The second strongest in a crew or in a group is not automatically the vice captain as a rank, but de facto he has that authority due to his greater fighting strength.
It's literal fucking english.
Not everyone there holds the position of vice captain -> Not everyone on the 1031 cover has the position, aka the rank, of vice captain. So not all of these characters are a de iure vice captain. Some do have that official rank. Some do not.
They are the Number Twos -> Not all of these characters have the official rank of vice captain. But all of them are the second strongest in their crews or groups. Aka: it's undesputably canon that Rayleigh is the stroger than Gaban and the others, that Zoro is stronger than Sanji and the others, that Shiryu is stronger than Lafitte and the others, that King is stronger than Queen and the others, that Marco is stronger than Jozu and the others. And so on.
Penguin and Shachi are more reliable than Bepo, but they know about Bepo's Sulong transformation, so they admit that Bepo is stronger than them -> This is the part that I'm afraid some people didn't read or refuted to understand, or just aren't able. Oda literally says that Penguin and Shachi are more reliable than Bepo (not that hard to be, lol) but they know that Bepo is stronger than them, so they respect that he has greater authority. Bingo! Every piece comes together. Bepo is not officially the vice captain, he hasn't that rank de iure (first part of the SBS); but Bepo has de facto the authority of a vice captain, because his mates respect his strength that is greater than their own (second part of the SBS).
So what Oda says is that the character on the 1031 cover are:
- All of them the second strongest in their crews or groups
- Not all of them hold the rank of vice captains in these crews or groups. Some do have that rank officially. Some others (like Bepo) do not have that rank officially, but they still exert a similar authority and power due to their greater strength compared to their mates.
This is also perfectly coherent with the manga, where Perospero claimed that he will be the leader of the Big Mom Pirates after Big Mom, he was said to shut up the bullshit because strength is what matters, therefore that role would have been for Katakuri, as he is stronger than Perospero.
SBS -> Penguin and Shachi are more reliable than Bepo, but Bepo is stronger so they acknowledge his greater authority. De iure, Bepo is not the vice captain, but de facto he is.
Manga -> Perospero is more reliable than Katakuri (or at least he think he is), but Katakuri is stronger so he has greater authority. De iure, Katakuri is not the vice captain, but de facto he is.
So in both manga and 102 SBS is clearly implied and stated that the strongest character will have the greater authority.
You all know that the strongest Strawhat bar Luffy is Zoro. And if by chance you didn't know... Oda just stated this. No equals, no peers, no Wings, no shit... just an undesputable number two which is Zoro, with no one close enough to make this ambiguous.
Zoro who, coincidentally, is also Luffy's Right Hand Man and the only Strawhat whose strength compares to Luffy's, who has similar traits, powers and goals to Luffy; they as a duo of Captain/Number Twos are consistently paralleled with other duos of Captains/Number Twos, and Zoro alone by himself is paralleled to these guys by themselves.
Source? Just click below the SPOILER and enjoy. The amount of material proving this is gargantuan.
It's comical that the Zoro haters enjoyed this thing, while they should be doubly in pain lol.
So much theories... Its ok but u should remember: If Oda doesnt say in manga that hes the vize or Zoro got presented as Zoro, the vize or Oda say it in an interview (or something different) its not confirmed that hes the vize.
Maybe there wont be a vize cause every crew member is for Luffy important like the others!
Maybe there wont be a vize cause every crew member is for Luffy important like the others!
What does Oda say? This is fucking basic english, it shouldn't be that hard.
To get the wrong idea by this it's unbelievable bias or plain illiteracy.
The funniest thing is that Zoro haters seem to enjoy the SBS...
... while it does actually destroy everything they dreamt for.
First of all: as much as some people bark, nowhere in the SBS is stated that Zoro is not the vice captain.
The 102 SBS indeed officially certifies two things:
- Zoro is undesputably the second strongest Strawhat, and therefore he is undesputably stronger than Sanji (that was blatantly obvious, but some trolls seem to not accept this, and most likely will never).
- The second strongest in a crew or in a group is not automatically the vice captain as a rank, but de facto he has that authority due to his greater fighting strength.
It's literal fucking english.
Not everyone there holds the position of vice captain -> Not everyone on the 1031 cover has the position, aka the rank, of vice captain. So not all of these characters are a de iure vice captain. Some do have that official rank. Some do not.
They are the Number Twos -> Not all of these characters have the official rank of vice captain. But all of them are the second strongest in their crews or groups. Aka: it's undesputably canon that Rayleigh is the stroger than Gaban and the others, that Zoro is stronger than Sanji and the others, that Shiryu is stronger than Lafitte and the others, that King is stronger than Queen and the others, that Marco is stronger than Jozu and the others. And so on.
Penguin and Shachi are more reliable than Bepo, but they know about Bepo's Sulong transformation, so they admit that Bepo is stronger than them -> This is the part that I'm afraid some people didn't read or refuted to understand, or just aren't able. Oda literally says that Penguin and Shachi are more reliable than Bepo (not that hard to be, lol) but they know that Bepo is stronger than them, so they respect that he has greater authority. Bingo! Every piece comes together. Bepo is not officially the vice captain, he hasn't that rank de iure (first part of the SBS); but Bepo has de facto the authority of a vice captain, because his mates respect his strength that is greater than their own (second part of the SBS).
So what Oda says is that the character on the 1031 cover are:
- All of them the second strongest in their crews or groups
- Not all of them hold the rank of vice captains in these crews or groups. Some do have that rank officially. Some others (like Bepo) do not have that rank officially, but they still exert a similar authority and power due to their greater strength compared to their mates.
This is also perfectly coherent with the manga, where Perospero claimed that he will be the leader of the Big Mom Pirates after Big Mom, he was said to shut up the bullshit because strength is what matters, therefore that role would have been for Katakuri, as he is stronger than Perospero.
SBS -> Penguin and Shachi are more reliable than Bepo, but Bepo is stronger so they acknowledge his greater authority. De iure, Bepo is not the vice captain, but de facto he is.
Manga -> Perospero is more reliable than Katakuri (or at least he think he is), but Katakuri is stronger so he has greater authority. De iure, Katakuri is not the vice captain, but de facto he is.
So in both manga and 102 SBS is clearly implied and stated that the strongest character will have the greater authority.
You all know that the strongest Strawhat bar Luffy is Zoro. And if by chance you didn't know... Oda just stated this. No equals, no peers, no Wings, no shit... just an undesputable number two which is Zoro, with no one close enough to make this ambiguous.
Zoro who, coincidentally, is also Luffy's Right Hand Man and the only Strawhat whose strength compares to Luffy's, who has similar traits, powers and goals to Luffy; they as a duo of Captain/Number Twos are consistently paralleled with other duos of Captains/Number Twos, and Zoro alone by himself is paralleled to these guys by themselves.
Source? Just click below the SPOILER and enjoy. The amount of material proving this is gargantuan.
It's comical that the Zoro haters enjoyed this thing, while they should be doubly in pain lol.
We need to fight them off mate
It's funny because people are now making up a whole new concept in "de facto first mate" as if that's required when both "right hand man" and "second strongest" could fill that role if needed; so it's pointlessly redundant.
Everything is a win-win in the world of delusion. Meanwhile, Zoro remains not the first mate, but these people can't accept the interdependance Luffy addressed back in Arlong Park nor that, given tons of opportunities, Oda didn't confirmed Zoro as hierarchically above the rest (on the contrary, he paired him with Sanji as Luffy's wings). They just need Zoro to be more important than he truly is.
Mental gymnastics at its finest.
Everything is a win-win in the world of delusion. Meanwhile, Zoro remains not the first mate, but these people can't accept the interdependance Luffy addressed back in Arlong Park nor that, given tons of opportunities, Oda didn't confirmed Zoro as hierarchically above the rest (on the contrary, he paired him with Sanji as Luffy's wings). They just need Zoro to be more important than he truly is.
Mental gymnastics at its finest.
Lol so much just to try paint zoro different
Katakuri is the Pillar of BMP (BMP can't ever have chief of staff ,VC or RH coz it is a family)
Sabo isn't VC but chief of staff like Lafitte is.
What the hell is partner? It isn't a rank or position!
It shows how deep your bond is.
Zoro isn't RH nor VC
His official rank and role are wing & fighter of the crew
Katakuri is the Pillar of BMP (BMP can't ever have chief of staff ,VC or RH coz it is a family)
Sabo isn't VC but chief of staff like Lafitte is.
What the hell is partner? It isn't a rank or position!
It shows how deep your bond is.
Zoro isn't RH nor VC
His official rank and role are wing & fighter of the crew
Swordsmanship (as stated in Arlong Park) plus, in my opinion, that Zoro can make more grounded analysis of situations (albeit he may lack in the emotional approach that Sanji covers). On the other side, Luffy is the driving force behind the crew, including Zoro: he would still be a nobody in East Blue if not for Luffy's higher ambitions and, in terms of strength and will, Luffy is the ultimate responsible for the success of the crew (noone else can achieve what he can).
...So?
Whoever thinks Sanji is stronger than Zoro even though the latter got Bonez, Kaku, King... and similar adversaries who were clearly second to their leaders in strength is lying to themselves too. But again, who cares regarding my post? You don't need to desperately compensate a fact (Zoro isn't the first mate) with another unrelated fact as if you were enslaved to cognitive dissonance, mr. "Mere slave cook".
...So?
Whoever thinks Sanji is stronger than Zoro even though the latter got Bonez, Kaku, King... and similar adversaries who were clearly second to their leaders in strength is lying to themselves too. But again, who cares regarding my post? You don't need to desperately compensate a fact (Zoro isn't the first mate) with another unrelated fact as if you were enslaved to cognitive dissonance, mr. "Mere slave cook".
How does ''Swodsmanship'' help Luffy ?
For example :
Navigation helps Luffy to not wreck his ship
Cook8ng : to not die of malnutrition
Etc...
How does swodsmanship help ?
Second point, Zoro was known in EB and a bit 8n Grandline even before Luffy took out to sea, he wasn't ''Nobody'' and tge affirmation :"Luffy is the ultimate responsible for the success of the crew (noone else can achieve what he can)'' can be said for anyone on the crew.
I concede that last chapter made Luffy look like ''the chosen one'', I'm still hoping it is going to be fixed otherwise the rest of the crew is ''useless''
For example :
Navigation helps Luffy to not wreck his ship
Cook8ng : to not die of malnutrition
Etc...
How does swodsmanship help ?
Second point, Zoro was known in EB and a bit 8n Grandline even before Luffy took out to sea, he wasn't ''Nobody'' and tge affirmation :"Luffy is the ultimate responsible for the success of the crew (noone else can achieve what he can)'' can be said for anyone on the crew.
I concede that last chapter made Luffy look like ''the chosen one'', I'm still hoping it is going to be fixed otherwise the rest of the crew is ''useless''
Making him a Conqueror and a King, but in the meantime someone who as strong and as indipendent as he is still willingly decides to follow someone else, the author showed how great is Zoro's devotion to Luffy.
See? Exactly like Whitebeard wondered how Oden could join him, as he is the kind of guy who leads, not the one who follows others. Also Whitebeard made a reference to the many Conqueror Haki users in Rocks Crew, the same thing to which Kaido will make a reference as well, about how Conqueror Haki users aren't people prone to follow others.
No wonder that then when people see Zoro they immediately think that the swordsman should be the leader of his own crew or the leader of the Strawhat.
But still Zoro prefers to follow Luffy. Why? Very differently from the others, Zoro's strength is extremely close and comparable to his captain's one. Zoro doesn't follow Luffy out of need, like the others, but because of the spontaneous trust that he has in him.
Even if, as already showed, Zoro is the kind of guy who dominates, not the one who follow others. It's just that his devotion to Luffy is that intense. More than a Right Hand Man, more than a First Mate; more like a brother.
That's also why Oda had the two of them share so many parallels: strength, power ups, backgrounds, goals, benchmarks.
Luffy and Zoro is the best duo ever. Captain and Right Hand Man/Number Two/First Mate for life.
Like it or not, the amount of different times and different ways where Zoro is put close to Luffy is gargantuan. The sheer number of those comparisons is astonishing, it screams loud, like the absolute absence of the same closeness between Sanji and Luffy, screams loud as well, but in the opposite way. Even the most biased Sanji fan has to at least admit that...
See? Exactly like Whitebeard wondered how Oden could join him, as he is the kind of guy who leads, not the one who follows others. Also Whitebeard made a reference to the many Conqueror Haki users in Rocks Crew, the same thing to which Kaido will make a reference as well, about how Conqueror Haki users aren't people prone to follow others.
No wonder that then when people see Zoro they immediately think that the swordsman should be the leader of his own crew or the leader of the Strawhat.
But still Zoro prefers to follow Luffy. Why? Very differently from the others, Zoro's strength is extremely close and comparable to his captain's one. Zoro doesn't follow Luffy out of need, like the others, but because of the spontaneous trust that he has in him.
Even if, as already showed, Zoro is the kind of guy who dominates, not the one who follow others. It's just that his devotion to Luffy is that intense. More than a Right Hand Man, more than a First Mate; more like a brother.
That's also why Oda had the two of them share so many parallels: strength, power ups, backgrounds, goals, benchmarks.
Luffy and Zoro is the best duo ever. Captain and Right Hand Man/Number Two/First Mate for life.
Like it or not, the amount of different times and different ways where Zoro is put close to Luffy is gargantuan. The sheer number of those comparisons is astonishing, it screams loud, like the absolute absence of the same closeness between Sanji and Luffy, screams loud as well, but in the opposite way. Even the most biased Sanji fan has to at least admit that...
Making him a Conqueror and a King, but in the meantime someone who as strong and as indipendent as he is still willingly decides to follow someone else, the author showed how great is Zoro's devotion to Luffy.
See? Exactly like Whitebeard wondered how Oden could join him, as he is the kind of guy who leads, not the one who follows others. Also Whitebeard made a reference to the many Conqueror Haki users in Rocks Crew, the same thing to which Kaido will make a reference as well, about how Conqueror Haki users aren't people prone to follow others.
No wonder that then when people see Zoro they immediately think that the swordsman should be the leader of his own crew or the leader of the Strawhat.
But still Zoro prefers to follow Luffy. Why? Very differently from the others, Zoro's strength is extremely close and comparable to his captain's one. Zoro doesn't follow Luffy out of need, like the others, but because of the spontaneous trust that he has in him.
Even if, as already showed, Zoro is the kind of guy who dominates, not the one who follow others. It's just that his devotion to Luffy is that intense. More than a Right Hand Man, more than a First Mate; more like a brother.
That's also why Oda had the two of them share so many parallels: strength, power ups, backgrounds, goals, benchmarks.
Luffy and Zoro is the best duo ever. Captain and Right Hand Man/Number Two/First Mate for life.
Like it or not, the amount of different times and different ways where Zoro is put close to Luffy is gargantuan. The sheer number of those comparisons is astonishing, it screams loud, like the absolute absence of the same closeness between Sanji and Luffy, screams loud as well, but in the opposite way. Even the most biased Sanji fan has to at least admit that...
See? Exactly like Whitebeard wondered how Oden could join him, as he is the kind of guy who leads, not the one who follows others. Also Whitebeard made a reference to the many Conqueror Haki users in Rocks Crew, the same thing to which Kaido will make a reference as well, about how Conqueror Haki users aren't people prone to follow others.
No wonder that then when people see Zoro they immediately think that the swordsman should be the leader of his own crew or the leader of the Strawhat.
But still Zoro prefers to follow Luffy. Why? Very differently from the others, Zoro's strength is extremely close and comparable to his captain's one. Zoro doesn't follow Luffy out of need, like the others, but because of the spontaneous trust that he has in him.
Even if, as already showed, Zoro is the kind of guy who dominates, not the one who follow others. It's just that his devotion to Luffy is that intense. More than a Right Hand Man, more than a First Mate; more like a brother.
That's also why Oda had the two of them share so many parallels: strength, power ups, backgrounds, goals, benchmarks.
Luffy and Zoro is the best duo ever. Captain and Right Hand Man/Number Two/First Mate for life.
Like it or not, the amount of different times and different ways where Zoro is put close to Luffy is gargantuan. The sheer number of those comparisons is astonishing, it screams loud, like the absolute absence of the same closeness between Sanji and Luffy, screams loud as well, but in the opposite way. Even the most biased Sanji fan has to at least admit that...
