Questions & Mysteries Oh my heavens, was Kaidou still conscious?

[Sasaki Kojirō]

last time I checked BG was even superior to the ANCIENT GUN, with strike power so devastating and on such a scale that its reverberations were felt over 1000 miles away. It's almost 1/4 the radius of the Earth. Such a damn power. (Grade 1 Evidence).

Spoiler: Evidence

With all or at least the majority of the blows that Kaidou received being:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...reater-number-of-all-the-insane-kaidou.25121/

And obviously, while Kaidou was fighting and enduring all these blows, he was still carrying the burden of the island, which consumed part of his stamina as discussed in the topic.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ng-it-move-drain-kaidos-stamina-or-not.42989/

Now let's move to the main question, even after the Monkey God Gun struck Kaidou and we thought it was the end for him, Kaidou still displayed resilience and signs of being conscious after the attack. The evidence is listed below (Excluding the flashback he had during the descent to the underground):

What you need to notice is:

• During the fall into the magma, Kaidou landed in a different position with his palms open.
• In the second panel, Kaidou is shown facing upwards and with his fists clenched. If previously his palms were open, he made a movement to close them and thus clenched his fists.

Ulti took a lethal attack from Big Mom and was knocked out, but she managed to recover. Even if Kaidou is knocked out, given enough time, he can recover. However, we have three hypotheses:

• The volcanic eruption could have been caused by Kaidou and his anger.
• Kaidou still had a splash of consciousness after Luffy's attack, meaning that even during his fall into the depths of the earth, Kaidou was still experiencing flashbacks.
• The volcanic eruption can be considered an external factor that contributed to Kaidou's permanent defeat and effectively sealed any possible chance of him returning to fight against Luffy again.

Spoiler: The volcanic eruption

• The volcanic eruption can be considered an external factor that contributed to Kaidou's permanent defeat and effectively sealed any possible chance of him returning to fight against Luffy again.

I think that the third option makes sense, since it was said that the eruption of the volcano signaled the end of Kaido's reign, which would imply simply being trapped inside the magma chamber might not had been enough, given he could engulf himself in magma-like fire. It took an island sized outburst into the skies to get rid of a Kaido who already reached his absolute limits. And even then we don't know what happened to Kaido, he might be still alive, simply not returning to Wano due to accepting defeat, even though that defeat wasn't in a fair 1 on 1, Kaido doesn't accept excuses.Which is essentially the reasoning of @comrade and I agree with him. We could add that besides Luffy's attack, we had another extra factor, similar to the bombs in the confrontation against Big Mom, against Kaidou here. LOL

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[yorosenpai]

last time I checked BG was even superior to the ANCIENT GUN, with strike power so devastating and on such a scale that its reverberations were felt over 1000 miles away. It's almost 1/4 the radius of the Earth. Such a damn power. (Grade 1 Evidence).

Spoiler: Evidence

With all or at least the majority of the blows that Kaidou received being:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...reater-number-of-all-the-insane-kaidou.25121/

And obviously, while Kaidou was fighting and enduring all these blows, he was still carrying the burden of the island, which consumed part of his stamina as discussed in the topic.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ng-it-move-drain-kaidos-stamina-or-not.42989/

Now let's move to the main question, even after the Monkey God Gun struck Kaidou and we thought it was the end for him, Kaidou still displayed resilience and signs of being conscious after the attack. The evidence is listed below (Excluding the flashback he had during the descent to the underground):

What you need to notice is:

• During the fall into the magma, Kaidou landed in a different position with his palms open.
• In the second panel, Kaidou is shown facing upwards and with his fists clenched. If previously his palms were open, he made a movement to close them and thus clenched his fists.

Ulti took a lethal attack from Big Mom and was knocked out, but she managed to recover. Even if Kaidou is knocked out, given enough time, he can recover. However, we have three hypotheses:

• The volcanic eruption could have been caused by Kaidou and his anger.
• Kaidou still had a splash of consciousness after Luffy's attack, meaning that even during his fall into the depths of the earth, Kaidou was still experiencing flashbacks.
• The volcanic eruption can be considered an external factor that contributed to Kaidou's permanent defeat and effectively sealed any possible chance of him returning to fight against Luffy again.

Spoiler: The volcanic eruption

I think that the third option makes sense, since it was said that the eruption of the volcano signaled the end of Kaido's reign, which would imply simply being trapped inside the magma chamber might not had been enough, given he could engulf himself in magma-like fire. It took an island sized outburst into the skies to get rid of a Kaido who already reached his absolute limits. And even then we don't know what happened to Kaido, he might be still alive, simply not returning to Wano due to accepting defeat, even though that defeat wasn't in a fair 1 on 1, Kaido doesn't accept excuses.Which is essentially the reasoning of @comrade and I agree with him. We could add that besides Luffy's attack, we had another extra factor, similar to the bombs in the confrontation against Big Mom, against Kaidou here. LOL

@ConquistadoR @Psalm @Hanzo hattori @Tejas @nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Red Admiral @Seraphoenix @Nikuzi @Zolo @SkySanji @JoNdule @DarkestKnightofSpoilers

king extra large lava dragons> monkey king gun

 

[GUI VI]

Kaido is done with the series, boy. it's time to move on.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Kaido is done with the series, boy. it's time to move on.

Yes, however, being trapped in the magma chamber may not have been enough for Kaidou, even after Luffy's attack, since the volcanic eruption came as an extra factor. To seal any lingering doubt, that's basically what I think. We saw from the captures that Kaidou still made a movement with his palms. LOL

 

[Just a member]

The whole stuff was to actually kill Kaido and BM (or at the very least put them out of the story) without Luffy dirtying his hands to do the job. So probably they will appear in a cover eventually but I doubt they will renter the story but that is not the point. Also Luffy usually kills an enemy determination/will instead of killing him so I doubt Oda intended to show a Kaido with clenched fists because that would have been the prelude to him coming back the next chapter to fight again (but since he is not the MC that didn't happen).

 

[Formerly Seth]

last time I checked BG was even superior to the ANCIENT GUN, with strike power so devastating and on such a scale that its reverberations were felt over 1000 miles away. It's almost 1/4 the radius of the Earth. Such a damn power. (Grade 1 Evidence).

Spoiler: Evidence

With all or at least the majority of the blows that Kaidou received being:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...reater-number-of-all-the-insane-kaidou.25121/

And obviously, while Kaidou was fighting and enduring all these blows, he was still carrying the burden of the island, which consumed part of his stamina as discussed in the topic.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ng-it-move-drain-kaidos-stamina-or-not.42989/

Now let's move to the main question, even after the Monkey God Gun struck Kaidou and we thought it was the end for him, Kaidou still displayed resilience and signs of being conscious after the attack. The evidence is listed below (Excluding the flashback he had during the descent to the underground):

What you need to notice is:

• During the fall into the magma, Kaidou landed in a different position with his palms open.
• In the second panel, Kaidou is shown facing upwards and with his fists clenched. If previously his palms were open, he made a movement to close them and thus clenched his fists.

Ulti took a lethal attack from Big Mom and was knocked out, but she managed to recover. Even if Kaidou is knocked out, given enough time, he can recover. However, we have three hypotheses:

• The volcanic eruption could have been caused by Kaidou and his anger.
• Kaidou still had a splash of consciousness after Luffy's attack, meaning that even during his fall into the depths of the earth, Kaidou was still experiencing flashbacks.
• The volcanic eruption can be considered an external factor that contributed to Kaidou's permanent defeat and effectively sealed any possible chance of him returning to fight against Luffy again.

Spoiler: The volcanic eruption

I think that the third option makes sense, since it was said that the eruption of the volcano signaled the end of Kaido's reign, which would imply simply being trapped inside the magma chamber might not had been enough, given he could engulf himself in magma-like fire. It took an island sized outburst into the skies to get rid of a Kaido who already reached his absolute limits. And even then we don't know what happened to Kaido, he might be still alive, simply not returning to Wano due to accepting defeat, even though that defeat wasn't in a fair 1 on 1, Kaido doesn't accept excuses.Which is essentially the reasoning of @comrade and I agree with him. We could add that besides Luffy's attack, we had another extra factor, similar to the bombs in the confrontation against Big Mom, against Kaidou here. LOL

@ConquistadoR @Psalm @Hanzo hattori @Tejas @nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Red Admiral @Seraphoenix @Nikuzi @Zolo @SkySanji @JoNdule @DarkestKnightofSpoilers

With Oda you can never be so sure about someone's death.

Can I imagine Big Mom and Kaido being alive? Fuck yeah.

Is it okay/good? Fuck no.



My homie is a fan of a theory that Big Mom somehow convinced Kaido to lend her his soul or whatever she does with Soul Pocus so she can power up and survive since Kaido lost his crew and land.

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

Kaido won't appear again unless he has an importance for the plot , He was an iron Wall for Luffy to be recognized as a Yonko and thus he got defeated and dethroned with BM to be replaced by Luffy and Buggy afterwards ; Yamato has more importance than him for the plot right now ; u can see Kaido like Arlong .

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

The whole stuff was to actually kill Kaido and BM (or at the very least put them out of the story) without Luffy dirtying his hands to do the job. So probably they will appear in a cover eventually but I doubt they will renter the story but that is not the point. Also Luffy usually kills an enemy determination/will instead of killing him so I doubt Oda intended to show a Kaido with clenched fists because that would have been the prelude to him coming back the next chapter to fight again (but since he is not the MC that didn't happen).

If you think either kaido and big mom died to this you're being foolish. If they had died, we would see confirmation of death. Instead, they both get knocked down into Pluton's chambers and the story cuts away.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Kaido won't appear again unless he has an importance for the plot , He was an iron Wall for Luffy to be recognized as a Yonko and thus he got defeated and dethroned with BM to be replaced by Luffy and Buggy afterwards ; Yamato has more importance than him for the plot right now ; u can see Kaido like Arlong .

My man, I'm not arguing about whether Kaidou is dead or if he will appear again in the storyline. LOL
From what I've seen of Luffy's previous opponents, none of them clenched their fists after the final attack like Kaidou did. LOL

 

[Roronoa-sama]

he is dead

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

My man, I'm not arguing about whether Kaidou is dead or if he will appear again in the storyline. LOL
From what I've seen of Luffy's previous opponents, none of them clenched their fists after the final attack like Kaidou did. LOL

yeah i agree with the purpose of the thread , he is conscious nice detail though i just mentioned that Kaido's appearing again has a slim chance since this manga is getting driven by the plot .

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

he is dead

Well, Kaidou being dead is beneficial for my agenda too, to be honest.

 

[NAMELESS]

last time I checked BG was even superior to the ANCIENT GUN, with strike power so devastating and on such a scale that its reverberations were felt over 1000 miles away. It's almost 1/4 the radius of the Earth. Such a damn power. (Grade 1 Evidence).

Spoiler: Evidence

With all or at least the majority of the blows that Kaidou received being:

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...reater-number-of-all-the-insane-kaidou.25121/

And obviously, while Kaidou was fighting and enduring all these blows, he was still carrying the burden of the island, which consumed part of his stamina as discussed in the topic.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...ng-it-move-drain-kaidos-stamina-or-not.42989/

Now let's move to the main question, even after the Monkey God Gun struck Kaidou and we thought it was the end for him, Kaidou still displayed resilience and signs of being conscious after the attack. The evidence is listed below (Excluding the flashback he had during the descent to the underground):

What you need to notice is:

• During the fall into the magma, Kaidou landed in a different position with his palms open.
• In the second panel, Kaidou is shown facing upwards and with his fists clenched. If previously his palms were open, he made a movement to close them and thus clenched his fists.

Ulti took a lethal attack from Big Mom and was knocked out, but she managed to recover. Even if Kaidou is knocked out, given enough time, he can recover. However, we have three hypotheses:

• The volcanic eruption could have been caused by Kaidou and his anger.
• Kaidou still had a splash of consciousness after Luffy's attack, meaning that even during his fall into the depths of the earth, Kaidou was still experiencing flashbacks.
• The volcanic eruption can be considered an external factor that contributed to Kaidou's permanent defeat and effectively sealed any possible chance of him returning to fight against Luffy again.

Spoiler: The volcanic eruption

I think that the third option makes sense, since it was said that the eruption of the volcano signaled the end of Kaido's reign, which would imply simply being trapped inside the magma chamber might not had been enough, given he could engulf himself in magma-like fire. It took an island sized outburst into the skies to get rid of a Kaido who already reached his absolute limits. And even then we don't know what happened to Kaido, he might be still alive, simply not returning to Wano due to accepting defeat, even though that defeat wasn't in a fair 1 on 1, Kaido doesn't accept excuses.Which is essentially the reasoning of @comrade and I agree with him. We could add that besides Luffy's attack, we had another extra factor, similar to the bombs in the confrontation against Big Mom, against Kaidou here. LOL

@ConquistadoR @Psalm @Hanzo hattori @Tejas @nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Red Admiral @Seraphoenix @Nikuzi @Zolo @SkySanji @JoNdule @DarkestKnightofSpoilers

no,he was out.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

no,he was out.

That's fine, there's no problem in thinking that way. As for your opinion on that panel, considering that Oda always portrays Luffy's final adversaries and their defeat by falling on their backs with fists open, Kaidou moved after Luffy's attack and clenched his fists. What do I think about it? I find it intriguing and potentially significant. It could suggest that Kaidou still had some fight left in him, even if temporarily subdued. However, without further information or confirmation from the story, it's open to interpretation.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

yeah i agree with the purpose of the thread , he is conscious nice detail though i just mentioned that Kaido's appearing again has a slim chance since this manga is getting driven by the plot .

The plot involves the inevitable reveal of the ancient weapons. Kaido and Big Mom planned to "get the ancient weapons, then the one piece, and usher in a world of violence".

They were both beaten inconclusively and the last place they were seen was a lava chamber later confirmed to be the location of the ancient weapon Pluton.

The plot says they're coming back, to me.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

The plot involves the inevitable reveal of the ancient weapons. Kaido and Big Mom planned to "get the ancient weapons, then the one piece, and usher in a world of violence".

They were both beaten inconclusively and the last place they were seen was a lava chamber later confirmed to be the location of the ancient weapon Pluton.

The plot says they're coming back, to me.

Yes, I see several people, including you, speculating about that. The fact that an ancient weapon is in Wano and the idea that nobody has found it so far also gives momentum to this theory. Even though Kaidou has lost his entire army, obtaining an ancient weapon can compensate for that, as it is one of, if not the greatest power of the seas.

 

[a_fan]

I reckon Kaido’s first intro in Dressrosa ending is foreshadowing he will appear in the final war.

That or Big Mum will powercreep via using her DF on Kaido.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

It doesn't matter whether Kaido was unconscious or not. There is a reason oda wrote him by throwing Kaido in a volcano as he mostly would have gotten up after some time , maybe hours.

As for whether he is dead or not , I doubt he has any future role tbh. Oda can show him at the very end of OP and he won't give any explanation about it being him lol.

 

[BlackLegFring]

It’s time to move on.
As for the clenched fists, it’s probably just an instinctive reaction to the pain from magma. The body was just feeling hot hot hot

 

[vikas]

Anything is fine..... Since oda will never give a concrete answer to it... That ending showed how unprepared he was to making luffy kill him I guess