One Piece Chapter 1,077: " Should have noticed sooner "

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Eh, I kinda agree. I do enjoy the mystery but I can't help but dislike how Oda worked a few things.
Like how Shaka could have at least told someone where he is heading to.
Imo Shaka did not like or trust the straw hats. He fixed their boots magnetically to the ground, did not allow them free movement in chapter 1065. Even in chapter 1070 Sanji complains about this: Are you ever gonna unbind our feet, your senile geezer!
So he did not voluntarily release them until chapter 1072

He did not trust them now as well?
 
Imo Shaka did not like or trust the straw hats. He fixed their boots magnetically to the ground, did not allow them free movement in chapter 1065. Even in chapter 1070 Sanji complains about this: Are you ever gonna unbind our feet, your senile geezer!
So he did not voluntarily release them until chapter 1072

He did not trust them now as well?
Well him giving the keys to Luffy can show he trust them now. About his previous behaviour, I think it's due to his "role" being the good and reasonable one. He couldn't immediately trust strangers.
 
I think the amount of blood loss that Zoro has accumulated throughout his journey has caused irreversible brain damage. He was the highlight of the chapter for me. I loved how Oda made him sound wise in the beginning, but then he just kept talking and didn’t help himself.

I don’t think Nami and Sanji damaged S-Shark. I think Oda was drawing points of impact. I think this because Oda needs to draw out scenes like this instead of showing us Law vs Blackbeard or Kidd vs Shanks. Plus he is insistent on keeping the SHs as underdogs, so this is the perfect way to do it. I would rather see the SHs crush the seraphims like the yonko crew they are.

Is Sanji’s eyebrow going to be a long lasting change? I feel like Oda is only teasing it and not actually committing to the repercussions that it may have for Sanji. I doubt that Oda can make evil Sanji compelling.
 
I wonder why Oda is showing us only the barrel of the gun and not the traitor him-/herself as a shadow, like he had drawn a few shapters back, where the person was destroying the cameras.

Now I am asking myself that: Has he maybe refrained from doing so, simply because the person is actually having a very recognizable body shape and would be easily recognizable for us? I do say this, because we cannot actually know if the person destroying the cameras is also the person, who was shooting at Shaka. They could be two different individuals.
 
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I wonder why Oda is showing us only the barrel of the gun and not the traitor him-/herself as a shadow, like he had drawn a few shapters back, where the person was destroying the cameras.

Now I am asking myself that: Has he maybe refrained from doing so, simply because the person is actually having a very recognizable body shape and would be easily recognizable for us? I do say this, because we cannot actually know if the person destroying the cameras is also the person, who was shooting at Shaka. They could be two different individuals.
Knowing Oda, this is how the reveal might turn out to be like tbh:


I'm being facetious ofc but I really hope the payoff is worth it and not too long of a wait for it. The curiousity is agonising lol. This could be another Kanjuro type moment and I hope there will be some decent gravitas to it and reason for the saboteur's actions, especially if they are a traitor too somehow. It's gotta be someone familiar, to Vegapunk and even us too potentially.

Its really weird how that shadow resembled Saturn too, it can't be coincidence surely? Oda is being so deceptive on when Kizaru and Saturn arrive but what if they already have and are operating secretly?
Vegapunk has illusionary tech/holograms to deceive others if needed so maybe the saboteur is taking advantage of that OR maybe Kizaru can do the same via his DF as its light based ofc?
 
I wonder why Oda is showing us only the barrel of the gun and not the traitor him-/herself as a shadow, like he had drawn a few shapters back, where the person was destroying the cameras.

Now I am asking myself that: Has he maybe refrained from doing so, simply because the person is actually having a very recognizable body shape and would be easily recognizable for us? I do say this, because we cannot actually know if the person destroying the cameras is also the person, who was shooting at Shaka. They could be two different individuals.
Was probably Saturn, though I don't know why the characters in-verse would view him as a traitor.
 
Knowing Oda, this is how the reveal might turn out to be like tbh:


I'm being facetious ofc but I really hope the payoff is worth it and not too long of a wait for it. The curiousity is agonising lol. This could be another Kanjuro type moment and I hope there will be some decent gravitas to it and reason for the saboteur's actions, especially if they are a traitor too somehow. It's gotta be someone familiar, to Vegapunk and even us too potentially.
Lol
Yes, it is agonizing. Oda could actually drop some more hints, in my opinion. Time would fly by if we could make analytical progress at least.
 
Was probably Saturn, though I don't know why the characters in-verse would view him as a traitor.
It would actually feel a little cut short, if it was Saturn - unlike Oda. It would also lack the critical part of the arrival and would rob us readers of the tension when we finally see Kizaru and Saturn in sight of Egghead.

And then, Kizaru was bringing Saturn a meal - which means that there was still some time to sail before arrival.
 
It would actually feel a little cut short, if it was Saturn - unlike Oda. It would also lack the critical part of the arrival and would rob us readers of the tension when we finally see Kizaru and Saturn in sight of Egghead.

And then, Kizaru was bringing Saturn a meal - which means that there was still some time to sail before arrival.
Thing is we see someone with a shadow/silhouette that looks pretty similar to Saturn coming to knock out all the surveillance cameras.
 
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Lol
Yes, it is agonizing. Oda could actually drop some more hints, in my opinion. Time would fly by if we could make analytical progress at least.
Right?! There's too much ambiguity for my liking. Kanjuro had better "foreshadowing" or setup, he was predicted much more easily/sooner and I wonder if Oda is aware of it and purposely making things more discreet in response to that this time?

Watching others meticulously analyse this and try to solve it painfully with no concrete, singular answer for who it could be despite their efforts, just makes this all the more frustrating too. It really makes me worried about who it's going to turn out to be and thus the justification of it.

I like the idea of Punk Records itself, the seperated brain of Vegapunk going rogue after getting too much knowledge and maybe seperated sentience or something? Others have mentioned there's more to Vegapunk than meets the idea and he's definitely not as "virtuous/innocent" as he proclaims himself to be and Oda is trying to depict him now too.
He was shown or at least implied to be more neutral or even amoral since he was first mentioned and even the reveal of him letting Kuma protect the Sunny for 2 years was a huge shock for us, knowing what he did to Kuma and we were expecting him to be this truly science/knowledge/innovation etc triumphs everything else type person, as in its even more important than morality/ethics/humanity and such. A science/tech supremacist or w/e.

I mean you look at who he chose to work with and currently works for and that speaks VOLUMES about him regardless of how he likes to see himself and portray himself to others too. I thought he would be the biggest monster as a scientist in OP so far. And imo he is regardless via his actions. Hell, Lilith remorselessly destroyed one of their own creations, which showed its own sentience too, she murdered a living being effectively, even though it was purely a robot only? Not a cyborg or w/e but still?

There's been this on-going argument about humans playing God with creating new life via technology, with robots, AI and such and what rights they should have and such. The story I-Robot is all about this IIRC? Not to mention Oda casually dropping articial organ growth at Egghead recently and I'm sure there will be attempts at artifical reproduction/insemination or whatever too? Test tube babies as we've seen with the Germa clones at least? Idk if the Punk clones were living people before, random people like Lilith for example, the humanoid ones, I expected them to be like the Vinsmoke children but they are more androids than cyborgs by the looks of it? Like the Androids of Dragonball? (My head hurts now lmao)

We've not had AI tech appear in OP yet and I heavily expected it to appear and play a role with Vegapunk, with even VP himself being an AI, having lost his original body or choosing to abandon it but Oda did his own version of the 6 paths of Pain from Naruto but with science instead lmfao, how original! (And yes, its all part of the Hive Mind trope or w/e, I know lol)

 
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It would actually feel a little cut short, if it was Saturn - unlike Oda. It would also lack the critical part of the arrival and would rob us readers of the tension when we finally see Kizaru and Saturn in sight of Egghead.

And then, Kizaru was bringing Saturn a meal - which means that there was still some time to sail before arrival.
Aye thats true, I completely agree with this. I really hope you're right and it's not Saturn for these reasons now in hindsight.

I'm so tired of Odas mystery baiting here, he's dragging this out so much.
 
Right?! There's too much ambiguity for my liking. Kanjuro had better "foreshadowing" or setup, he was predicted much more easily/sooner and I wonder if Oda is aware of it and purposely making things more discreet in response to that this time?

Watching others meticulously analyse this and try to solve it painfully with no concrete, singular answer for who it could be despite their efforts, just makes this all the more frustrating too. It really makes me worried about who it's going to turn out to be and thus the justification of it.

I like the idea of Punk Records itself, the seperated brain of Vegapunk going rogue after getting too much knowledge and maybe seperated sentience or something? Others have mentioned there's more to Vegapunk than meets the idea and he's definitely not as "virtuous/innocent" as he proclaims himself to be and Oda is trying to depict him now too.
He was shown or at least implied to be more neutral or even amoral since he was first mentioned and even the reveal of him letting Kuma protect the Sunny for 2 years was a huge shock for us, knowing what he did to Kuma and we were expecting him to be this truly science/knowledge/innovation etc triumphs everything else type person, as in its even more important than morality/ethics/humanity and such. A science/tech supremacist or w/e.

I mean you look at who he chose to work with and currently works for and that speaks VOLUMES about him regardless of how he likes to see himself and portray himself to others too. I thought he would be the biggest monster as a scientist in OP so far. And imo he is regardless via his actions. Hell, Lilith remorselessly destroyed one of their own creations, which showed its own sentience too, she murdered a living being effectively, even though it was purely a robot only? Not a cyborg or w/e but still?

There's been this on-going argument about humans playing God with creating new life via technology, with robots, AI and such and what rights they should have and such. The story I-Robot is all about this IIRC? Not to mention Oda casually dropping articial organ growth at Egghead recently and I'm sure there will be attempts at artifical reproduction/insemination or whatever too? Test tube babies as we've seen with the Germa clones at least? Idk if the Punk clones were living people before, random people like Lilith for example, the humanoid ones, I expected them to be like the Vinsmoke children but they are more androids than cyborgs by the looks of it? Like the Androids of Dragonball? (My head hurts now lmao)

We've not had AI tech appear in OP yet and I heavily expected it to appear and play a role with Vegapunk, with even VP himself being an AI, having lost his original body or choosing to abandon it but Oda did his own version of the 6 paths of Pain from Naruto but with science instead lmfao, how original! (And yes, its all part of the Hive Mind trope or w/e, I know lol)

Talking about Vegapunk and his questionable moral: I am not sure if the old man is even aware of it. He was blaming Sentoumaru's own loyalty for being beaten up. He did not see that he actually had pushed him to fight against CP0. And this "unawareness" might actually be the reason he is sometimes doing things that are not considered to be "good". Maybe it is this reason, why he has choosen to work with the government. On the other side maybe it is only because he wants to find allys within the WG and works to undermine them like the genius he is... . I do want to know the reason, he was working with them - the money for his research, which made him able to help people around the world?

That with the AI would be a great idea (I also di immediately think og I robot, even before I came to the sentence in which ou are metioning the film. Lol ). We have to see and wait until Oda drops more hints.

I wonder, if Kuma did take care of the Sunny, because he knew that the Gum Gum fruit was actually the Nika Nika fruit and that guy was a Revo, who fought for freedom before.
 
Holy shit, CP0 now had the gag moment with SHs.
Totally disgusting :whitepress:

Well, Seraphim attack wise are pretty weak for now, aside from Boa hax which is oneshot.
They truly are a new Pacifista, very tanky and that's it.
Very boring their panels.

And like I said last chapter, Hancock's DF was truly retconned.
Mr. Retcon strikes again bruh.

Boring the traitor plot for now. I can't take seriously the threat/tension SHs have in the island atm with a character like Luffy being with them. The goal seems to kill time until the true threat arrives, an Admiral + several VAs + 100 navy ships + Saturn with the ability to order Seraphims.
Until then, this seems totally unnecessary.
 
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