Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1034 Spoilers Discussion

[ConquistadoR]

@ConquistadoR Half of the time when Sanji uses CoA, his leg is on fire and the other half, he's wearing black pants, lol. Like, see this:

Yeah I agree. But in any case, if he does have it it would've been shown in other places as well, like his face when he's blocking or tanking an attack etc.

Also, there just hasn't been a big enough distinction between 'normal CoA' and hardening. Like both of things have never been talked about separately.

It has been though, one is a stronger form of the other. Like Luffy gets a big boost from using CoA hardening and it's even more apparent in the case of Zoro - an unnamed CoA hardened slash cleaved Pica in half. That's the same amount of damage that a unhardened 1080 Pound Hawk did.

Like take King's case - he was matching Zoro equally in swordfight when he was using the invisible form of CoA.

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The moment he shifted to CoA hardening in chapter 1032, he overpowered Zoro quite easily.

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IMO, one doesn't necessarily need it to be strong - characters can be really strong without it. But if you have it, then using it is definitely a better option than using basic invisible CoA.

 

[Pan D. A. Man]

Oda always shows armanrnt with shining light. There is nothing like that for Sanji right now. He didnt used hardening like at all.

Spoiler provided said he is using it and even Sanji said himself. Why would he lie about not using Haki when he said he going to use it?

 

[Blackflamesanji]

can jinbe push sanji to high diff fight?

 

[Kishido]

I made up my mind about the Germa powers
Niji doing it without suit was an outlier. In reality the only DNA powers are the exoskeleton plus super human stuff.

The other special abilities came from the suits.

 

[zzShinichi]

I just realized Queen is literally Mechagodzilla here

 

[Midnight Delight]

Black Hardening vs Invisibile Haki doesn't exist guys
It's literally just Oda being inconsistent

 

[ConquistadoR]

lets not make it seem like there's a fundamental difference between invisible arnament and hardening.. one is just harder than other and is black.. and this doesn't mean if you never showed hardening but only showed invisible hardening... than you don't even have hardening.. coz thats bogus unless hardening is a whole separate haki application

That is actually true lol.
If you show it, you have it. Else you don't.
It works exactly like other forms of haki.

 

[Brendan Schaub]

Oda be like:
How can I draw advanced CoC effect without it being actual CoC

 

[Shanal]

Again hypocrisy if you can't put same on new effect and new mode Sanji has.

Nah, they said it was COC even before Kaido talk about it. Why not same on Sanji then? Why hypocrisy?

It might have something to do with it as it something not related to his power up and he talked about adding Hardening into is attack, so it can be connected to it. Again got keep same energy instead playing sides about it.

I mean Zoro never shown that in fights even when he had COC inside of him until this arc, can be same on Sanji too.

If they said it was CoC before Kaido, then you can call them retarded idc. I don't agree with them that it's CoC even now.

Just that as things stand, this PU has 0 implications or similarity with CoC. You can speculate and have headcanon over it, and that's fine. I have headcanons and speculations over lotsa stuff. But there's very little to no canonical implications of anything.

Still a decent PU nonetheless. Much more potent than Hell's Memories.

 

[Sasparan]

Spoiler provided said he is using it and even Sanji said himself. Why would he lie about not using Haki when he said he going to use it?

Of course Sanji can use Armanent Haki. We know this since the beginning of timeskip. We are talking about Hardening. Sanji never used Hardening not even this chapter.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Honestly those flames barely look any different from DJ

 

[Violent Sanji]

sanji might have used ryou. Lv 1. I don’t see why sanji would say he is working on his armament haki but we see no difference

 

[Sasparan]

Oda be like:
How can I draw advanced CoC effect without it being actual CoC

Cope

 

[Pan D. A. Man]

Of course Sanji can use Armanent Haki. We know this since the beginning of timeskip. We are talking about Hardening. Sanji never used Hardening not even this chapter.

He is using it as he just said he is adding Armanent into his attack. It's hard to see cause black and white manga and fire is coming his leg. Are we going to say King can't use Haki either since he has same thing on him.

 

[BleakAsh]

That is actually true lol.
If you show it, you have it. Else you don't.
It works exactly like other forms of haki.

that's a fallacy and you'll have to prove that someone doesn't have it given they weren't pushed to this extent to use it.

 

[Monet]

oda could have drawn sanji attacks a lot better
not like this



i mean just go back to previous chapter and see how oda is really try his best
that every attack of king zoro looks awesome .

but with sanji meh
it's like oda just want to get rid of tbis fight .

 

[Sasparan]

Honestly those flames barely look any different from DJ

Its hard to draw different flames but i wish Oda make Sanji's flames grey color in the manga. Much like Dabi.

 

[Brendan Schaub]

Cope

What did he mean by this

 

[Cinera]

Like I said, WsW is not Queen.

I'm also very 50/50 on this anyway. I've made several comments this thread about the fight actually ending. My dissatisfaction with WsW has nothing to do with this because I actually enjoyed the longevity of the Queen fight

I see no reason to believe that Queen has not been defeated TBH.

I'll say that I'm more 70:30 in favour of Queen's defeat.

This power up is so trash Luffy and Zoro got power up that can bypass KAido defense

can we say the same about Sanji?

Sure this new power up can low/mid diff every yonko commander in the series not in shanks/black beard crew

but if we talking about yonko like big mom and kaido

Sanji is still useles against them

All he can do is tank and heal from their attacks but he has no way to hurt htem

Sanji still loses badly to King. His fire isn't going to help against King and King is more durable than Kaido.

 

[Pan D. A. Man]

sanji might have used ryou. Lv 1. I don’t see why sanji would say he is working on his armament haki but we see no difference

Again black and white manga on dark-color outfit. You can say same on King on why he hasn't use Haki, but he been using it.

If they said it was CoC before Kaido, then you can call them retarded idc. I don't agree with them that it's CoC even now.

Just that as things stand, this PU has 0 implications or similarity with CoC. You can speculate and have headcanon over it, and that's fine. I have headcanons and speculations over lotsa stuff. But there's very little to no canonical implications of anything.

Still a decent PU nonetheless. Much more potent than Hell's Memories.

Again how can Queen know if he is when getting beaten around before talking? Who say retarded? I say hypocrisy. Not same thing and no need to take issue. It heavily implied being COC as Asura was for Zoro. It can happen on details on technique.

It does as it got hint about it especially Sanji stated using Haki into the attack, so have to know possibilities about it there, not denied it.