Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1069 Spoilers Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

I’m not SOLIS

@sanji>Lollo show yourself

No

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

With the pathetic performance the admirals have been giving I'm setting that a Yonko can solidly defeat 2 of them in an intense fight.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Yeah that's a very interesting topic. It's certainly strange that even Zoro with his CoC infused swordsmanship could not even damage flame mode King visibly, which in durability terms is surreal, even for OP standards. So It might make sense for arguing that flame mode simply means that they become invulnerable.

Recently I did deep dives into all kinds of Youtubers, that are all hella smart and creative: Parvision, Dak's Sake, Hidden Island, Randy Troy and such. And they talk a lot about the ancient kingdom, joyboy, the Sun God, the origin of DFs and such. And it gets more and more obvious that the Lunarians played a very important role in all of that and nearly everything ability related will ultimately will tie back to life force-/ soul energy, i.e. haki.

Perhaps the Lunarians aren't making use of fire per se, but the source is rather life force/soul energy, that just manifests into fire in the physical world, which they can then shape and transform to their wishes and even turn into magma, if they get emotional/they choose to.
With such a concept I might lean towards them being invincible in flame mode, but then it begs the question why it's this way and not the other way around, when they are seemingly "infused" with their flame in "flame off"-mode.
Maybe they work on that natural energy that is everywhere, that stuff Vegapunk was talking about. And they absorb it through a hole in their back, and the flame appears there, because it's the place where that energy transitions into their bodies and during that process it just takes on a physical form in the form of fire or heat.
And when their bodies are in absorbing state, they are just invulnerable, like some kind of indestructable or nearly indestructable containers. And when they use that energy, their bodies get "animated" and they are going from storage into action phase/mode. And that energy is perhaps, similar to natural chakra in Naruto, just the voice of all things, meaning the haki of the all surrounding nature or stuff like sunlight..?
Basically means: They are indestructable energy containers at base.
Or all of that and their bodies are just made of a substance that's very similar to rubber, that gets softer, when heat gets involved and therefore they get a drop in durability..?

But even though I like all of that, it's weird that King was bloodied by GB, seemingly before he was captured by his roots. Does it make them completely invulnerable to external damaging factors only, but can they still be crushed and internally damaged, what was also a major theme against BM and Kaido aswell? Or did GB just got the better out of him, when he was in speed mode?

That's a very interesting topic, bro. What do you think, especially about the GB bit.

Yo that's damn interesting... especially the lore part.
They definitely are key to the lore behind the Ancient Kingdom imo.
They might not be technologically advanced like the Ancient Kingdom was but there's a reason why King was waiting for Joyboy to re appear.

I also like the idea they'd be indestructible containers of life force in flame mode. That's possibly how i see their storyline going as well.

Regarding the GB point, i personally think GB caught him in speed mode and then took him out. I don't really think internal damage would work because we saw S-Hawk be attacked by Teach using Black Hole... the move which dragged an entire town into it & crushed it in Banaro. Yet both S-Hawk & S-Snake left Amazon Lily without even a single scratch on them. So internal damage or crushing damage might not really be the solution as well.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung Many people in the poll thinks Zoro is gonna face his penultimate fight this arc.

He very well might my man. He won’t win, but do you remember when Kizaru picked on Zoro when he was severely wounded? Zoro might pull a Rayleigh here and stall Kizaru. Lol

 

[Albino 👑]

Imagine arguing that Katakuri's Awakening is off the same level as Law's awakening because Awakening is Awakening

Eh tbf kid and law are both comparable in when it comes to fruit mastery and overall level
Despite law having a "better" fruit

It's difficult to compare fruits that aren't really comparable in use

Like we know for a fact baby 5 fruit > daz, kuzan > monet, who's who > lucci, etc
So in those cases yeah just like their fruits their awakenings will also be better

 

[Garps tekkai]

@Paperchampion23 weren't you calling all that???

 

[Julius]

Well, so Kizaru is coming

I feel like if he is either going to fight a Strawhat at some point, this is the perfect opportunity to possibly set a future match up

 

[HA001]

Hmmm the only issue with this imo is that Kizaru leaving would mean Luffy takes Vegapunk.

I think the serious consideration here (for the Marines) is not letting Luffy get away with that. That's why I think Kizaru goes down here and Zoro's focus is more the Kuma plot

Kumas plot is with bonney and where luffy is nor is he in any shape to fight
Heck I don't see a fight at all more a stall
Once the kuma situation sorted they all likely getting spanked to Elbaf
Which is why it makes more sense for zoro to parallel Ray and hold him up.

 

[T.D.A]

Yes...I do lol. This is literally the perfect time for Luffy to defeat someone like Kizaru in a shorter arc.

I've talked about this at length. Many of OPs villains post Wano may be more like Pre-TS. Side grades and not complete upgrades from the last villain.

Kizaru isn't tankier or literally stronger than Kaido, but his powers could throw Luffy Off his game completely if he hasn't mastered FS yet, which the story had never suggested that being the case.

Kizaru has also hit and insulted Luffy more than he has to anyone else. There's actual beef there from Marineford, second only to Akainu.

If Kuma shows up, that is entirely going to be Zoro's focus considering their history (whether they fight directly or not is a different story).

It would be poor writing if Admiral Kizaru went down in this arc before we've even gotten to the final battle. There is already a shortage of Admirals who are antagonists given Fujitora is already a Luffy fanboy. Having Kizaru go down, reduces his hype which I doubt Oda would do. And considering Luffy has already defeated someone stronger than Kizaru i.e Kaido, he doesn't need to prove himself.

 

[Nikuzi]

If the story is close to finishing it doesn't make sense for the crew to lose again here, and if they do it'll just create more weird powerup stuff that has to happen in a short timeframe. If Kizaru tries fighting hes really probably going to lose

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Kizaru going to eggisland is a huge event.
So SA 2.0 is about to happen I can't believe it wow..

Guys you matchups for this arc?
Kizaru awakening power finally incoming!!

Enies Lobby is his awakening. Always sunny.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Strictly from what they get from awakenings, Kid's awakening isn't even half as good as Law's. Kid only stands out because his base physical stats are great, and he's still logically weaker than Law.

 

[ShiShiShi]

It would be poor writing if Admiral Kizaru went down in this arc before we've even gotten to the final battle. There is already a shortage of Admirals who are antagonists given Fujitora is already a Luffy fanboy. Having Kizaru go down, reduces his hype which I doubt Oda would do. And considering Luffy has already defeated someone stronger than Kizaru i.e Kaido, he doesn't need to prove himself.

We don’t know how much stronger Kaido is compared to Kizaru, so I wonder

 

[Seth]

Hmmm the only issue with this imo is that Kizaru leaving would mean Luffy takes Vegapunk.

I think the serious consideration here (for the Marines) is not letting Luffy get away with that. That's why I think Kizaru goes down here and Zoro's focus is more the Kuma plot

So what? He will remember Luffy defeated Kaido ( although he won't know the detail we have that Luffy had XYZ rounds and ass pulls ).

Zoro will already give him a tough time and adding Luffy to the mix will make him realize he has to leave this one be.

WG must have some Vegapunk tech they forced him to have. + Why do you care about leaving Vegapunk to Straw Hats? They already wanted to assasinate him only proving my point that Vegapunk gave them what they wanted.

( Probably Lulucia Kingdom stuff is Vegapunk's tech ).

 

[HA001]

Kuma probably gonna spank the island away

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

We don’t know how much stronger Kaido is compared to Kizaru, so I wonder

Kizaru > Ryokugyu > Crydo

Ryokugyu capturing Yamato at a neg diff pretty much disqualifies Kaido from being taken seriously by an Admiral

 

[Albino 👑]

Luffy beating an admiral now makes more sense than him fighting 1 while zoro and sanji do the same

Also for kizaru to keep asking to be put on the field to in the end chicken out and leave when he realizes the emperors level crew is emperor level is lame

He should either fight and lose or just never come in the first place

 

[SakazOuki]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung Many people in the poll thinks Zoro is gonna face his penultimate fight this arc.

I think a short clash makes sense. Zoro will fight Kizaru in the final arc, it's a safe way to show that he's already a top tier but not yet the cream of the crop, same way Law is fighting Blackbeard.
So they could clash for a while but Kizaru will outplay him for sure.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Kizaru's about to humiliate FS wank.

 

[Impact_Dial]

If the story is close to finishing it doesn't make sense for the crew to lose again here, and if they do it'll just create more weird powerup stuff that has to happen in a short timeframe. If Kizaru tries fighting hes really probably going to lose

Some thinking that we still got 5+ years left before the end of one piece..