Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1092 Spoilers Discussion

[JoNdule]

True but Snake man was also outright trashed.

Which was the point I was making, the CoC/CoA thing doesn’t matter since the other character clearly looks blatantly superior while still holding back.

Also last chapter it was clearly COC now and Kiz still just blocked it.

It wasn't CoC last chapter
Or else luffy would continue

You switching up arguments
"Adcoc and adcoa doesn't matter if the opponent is superior" except kizaru didn't show superiority over current G4...He overpowered this version of snakeman once and that's not being superior

It was basically Snakeman vs Kizaru
Both not using named attacks (kizaru did with the kick) both only using koka (with kizaru using ryuo on top)

 

[RebelliousSoma]

from:
Kizaru no diffed luffy
Kizaru matching adcoc g4 luffy
Luffy is so damaged because of Kizaru's kick
Kizaru is too much

To

Luffy got damaged by going through the barrier twice
No adcoc, no adcoa...(we don't even know if luffy used fs too)
Kizaru blinding Luffy to land a massive blow
Kizaru hyping this nerfed version of Luffy

I kept warning people, the early spoilers always overhype the admirals for some reason. And then spoilers got delayed. Kizaru is in a tough spot at the end, he's better off than expected but still not looking good, just needs a tiny squeeze to end it.

 

[ConquistadoR]

True but Snake man was also outright trashed.

Which was the point I was making, the CoC/CoA thing doesn’t matter since the other character clearly looks blatantly superior while still holding back.

Also last chapter it was clearly COC now and Kiz still just blocked it.

Snakeman doesn't compare to Kizaru's speed, don't get me wrong.

It still doesn't change the point, Kizaru essentially owned a version of Luffy comparable to Rooftop Luffy at best.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

It wasn't CoC last chapter
Or else luffy would continue

You switching up arguments
"Adcoc and adcoa doesn't matter if the opponent is superior" except kizaru didn't show superiority over current G4...He overpowered this version of snakeman once and that's not being superior

It was basically Snakeman vs Kizaru
Both not using named attacks (kizaru rid with the kick) both only using koka (with kizaru using ryuo on top)

Dude, not only does Kizaru show superiority over Snakeman.

He looks tremendously more powerful whilst still being casual

In fact, Kizaru actually looks a lot more casual than I execpected.

 

[Monster Luffy]

It still isnt a reasonable assumption because kaido could show it once in that fight and not use it in other scenes
explicitly luffy only used fs twice against kaido
and kaido once .

No, depends on the context.
Kaidou didn't use FS, not even once against base/g2/g3. But once, Luffy went in G4: Snakeman, Kaidou countered it with speed+FS. So as long as Snakeman is used and got countered, it was FS. Otherwise, there is no FS.

I mean, this is also fine by me as we can assume that Luffy didn't use adCoA at any point after red roc attack until 1010 except when he used redroc because by logic, G4+adCoA should be > red roc and by panels, G4+adCoA was not as 'impactful' as red roc.

 

[Pringles]

It wasn't CoC last chapter
Or else luffy would continue

You switching up arguments
"Adcoc and adcoa doesn't matter if the opponent is superior" except kizaru didn't show superiority over current G4...He overpowered this version of snakeman once and that's not being superior

It was basically Snakeman vs Kizaru
Both not using named attacks (kizaru rid with the kick) both only using koka (with kizaru using ryuo on top)

The only factor in Snakeman vs Kizaru was speed, nothing else. Let that sink in.

Kizaru's feat is hype and insane but it's only a speed feat.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

So are we sweat-scaling or bruise-scaling tonight?

We can do both. Those aren't just decorations.

What are your deductions then? A few scratches don't stop Luffy. Kizaru's shock tells a different story about his resolve.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Not talking about speed but defense. Even characters don't move at the same speed all the time. It is evident as Kizaru can increase speed. He has to take so much room to attack Luffy as in his words 'speed is weight' and higher the acceleration, higher the attack power.
Kizaru speed > Snakeman.
AdCoC+barrier increases defense and attack power, so if he used that, Luffy may not dodge the attack from Kizaru but can defend to the extent possible.
.

agreed

But WB was able to 'slash' Kizaru and yet Kizaru was unhurt.

he slashed him in the same manner sentomaru did a couple chapters ago
notice hes already opened up into small particles by the time the attack has landed .
kizaru predicted the attack and avoided it ( a la katakuri)

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

True but Snake man was also outright trashed.

Which was the point I was making, the CoC/CoA thing doesn’t matter since the other character clearly looks blatantly superior while still holding back.

Also last chapter it was clearly COC now and Kiz still just blocked it.

The reason why I thought it was COC was because I assumed it was an extremely close fight with both characters going back and forth, with Kizaru only gaining the upper hand at the end.
Here Kizaru low diffed Snakeman without a dirt on his clothes or face, implying little efforts exerted. If G4 Goofy was using aCoC here Kizaru would be > Roger and Primebeard together lol

 

[Extravlad]

Oda : Writes Kizaru saying Luffy is showcasing the strength you would expect from someone who defeated Kaido

Sub 70 IQ readers : "Urrrrrr Duuuur no aCoC nerfed YC1 lvl snakeman"

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And he is the man of duty.

He literally beat senta because of his duty instead of bypassing him

He literally lectured senta on duty

It's implied he will fulfill his mission.

Now two chapters later he wants to save vp??

He gave Sentomaru a chance to surrender before actually taking Sentomaru out.

He doesn’t want to save VP. He just doesn’t want to kill him.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Snakeman doesn't compare to Kizaru's speed, don't get me wrong.

It still doesn't change the point, Kizaru essentially owned a version of Luffy comparable to Rooftop Luffy at best.

Rooftop Luffy didn’t get owned by Kaido this bad until Kaido went hybrid and used Ragnaraku.

Kizaru here looks more casual.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

No, depends on the context.
Kaidou didn't use FS, not even once against base/g2/g3. But once, Luffy went in G4: Snakeman, Kaidou countered it with speed+FS. So as long as Snakeman is used and got countered, it was FS. Otherwise, there is no FS.

I mean, this is also fine by me as we can assume that Luffy didn't use adCoA at any point after red roc attack until 1010 except when he used redroc because by logic, G4+adCoA should be > red roc and by panels, G4+adCoA was not as 'impactful' as red roc.

yes no visual indicator == not being used thats my point
everyone needs to be consistent with the kind of assumptions they want to push in these fights.

 

[Garps tekkai]

The combat visuals are very difficult to understand.
Is Akainu casting a magma attack at Kuma's leg or is he just running through magma?
And what is Kizaru doing? Is he blocking with his body or does he make Luffy punching those light balls as a defense system?

Why is all that shit so vague

 

[centurion]

“luffy wasnt using AdvCoC”

“kizaru wasnt using awakening either”

so is this going to be the new forum’s cope ?

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Snakeman doesn't compare to Kizaru's speed, don't get me wrong.

It still doesn't change the point, Kizaru essentially owned a version of Luffy comparable to Rooftop Luffy at best.

He pushed him aside. In serious fights people might fall and then get up. Everyone takes blows. It's a matter how they handle it and how fast they recover from it for a counter attack.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Rooftop Luffy didn’t get owned by Kaido this bad until Kaido went hybrid and used Ragnaraku.

Kizaru here looks more casual.

Not a 1v1.
And let Kizaru fight a CoC-using Luffy first.

We'll compare Kizaru to Kaidou after he kills a Skysplitter.

 

[Dragon777]

Aight my bad.

But the panels are out and it's just CoA

Then that's G5 and Kaido not using CoC, I presume:

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yooo, the Celestial Dragon’s dialogue to Akainu literally sounds like exactly what Yonko fans say every single day



You know you’ve made wrong decisions in life when Oda makes his Celestial Dragons sound like you

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

"luffy isnt even using acoa but kizaru is using a barrier "


keep the bullcrap consistent