Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1130 Spoilers Discussion

[Rurushu]

Unless he's newgen, which he isn't. Shanks fate was sealed when we got their bounties already in the same chapter

He also became Yonko mainly because of his leadership and commanders being famous & crew being balanced
Unlike BM, WB and kaido who all became Yonko because of their strength mainly. Especially Kaido.

Even when he defeated Kidd, Oda highlighted his leadership as good leader and crew being balanced once again

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Yeah Queen was busy with Chopper their but we find out Sanji fought King and Queen offscreen when Marco was exhausted in the same page you posted

So
If he gets a bigger bounty you'll consider him stronger than her right?

 

[JoNdule]

Again, I never said Kaido was > Roger, Whitebeard or Xebec, if you could read, you'd have figured that out three posts ago.

No because the list isn't "five characters stronger than me", the list is "five characters I respect", the fact that three of them are stronger is just a coincidence that you're trying to twist into a pattern. Kaido beat Oden without using anything more than base and dragon lmfao.

Kaido is the strongest, that has been stated so many fucking times, and even in regards to Shanks specifically, Kaido and King both still consider Kaido stronger even after having fought the RHP on their way to Marineford lmao, your logic relies on believing that Kaido and King are either retarded or amnesiac, when in reality, it's just you that is delusional and refuses to accept very simple facts.

It's funny how their arguments is based on one statement of Kaido
But then deny every other statements from kaido or Oden or Oda himself stating Kaido as WSP/WSC lol

Shanks fans or anyone who believes Shanks > kaido are just like Zoro fans when they have to nitpick which statement to believe

 

[yorosenpai]

KB so popular that has combine project with other manga

 

[Sir Yasheen]

By his logic queen > katakuri

He is?

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Once again you're twisting stuff

Kaido says "only a few can fight me"
You "kaido sees 5 people above him"

3 of them are above kaido. only clowns like you think otherwise because of agenda lol. The 4the one is lolden who almost beat kaido and lost because of trickery.
So 4/5 is people who can and have beaten kaido, but somehow shanks alone is the odd man out?

Open your eyes from kaido and meme agendas and you shall see the truth

At the same time Kaido and Oden knows nobody in the future bar Joyboy with help could beat Kaido
that includes Shanks and sickbeard who can't beat Kaido.

Yeah prime WB would have rolled kaido so hard lol.
Kaido lost to fucking condom goofy.

I've never rated BM above kaido
Nice try though

But you do rate her above shanks...

We have proofs kaido > Shanks from Oda, SNs Navy, Teach, ...
You have nothing but twisted logic to say Shanks > Kaido

Shanks being in kaido's top 5 IS proof from oda you dumbass.
And Shanks making kaido run back to wano before marine ford is also clear portrayal.
Kaido only respects strength. So if he puts shanks with 3 legends and oden, it's because kaido respects shanks's strength and holds it in high regard similar to the legends.

 

[Julius]

Wanna bet?

You actually think Oda gonna miss that?

 

[Doggo]

"Damn, it's tough to fight the T-W-O of them at the same time"
- Sanji, the leg.
Damn it, Sanji was fighting both of them And what did Marco do and who beat him so that he was lying at King's feet? Unclear

 

[RayanOO]

That Danny face lmao

 

[JoNdule]

In the end feats are important for me, Statements been said and only implied that Kaido was be said to be the strongest.

In fact we never hear a statement with said "Kaido is the strongest" but was said to be the strongest. Killer only repeat that line, Kid never called him the strongest.

And that is the point, Killer never saw someone like Kaido, since they never saw Shanks in first place. Oda tricked the community knowing it would hype people with Statements like"said to be the strongest". But he doesn't needed to confirm it, since in his mind he already have character in back up who gonna surpass Kaido.

We saw only two top tiers fight with Kaido, one vs Oden and the another vs Luffy.

And Luffy surpassed Kaido, G5 could toe toe against Kaido, yes he still Dominated him, but he couldn't knock out G5 anymore, he used all his strongest attacks and failed to put down Luffy. That is the point, G5 is above Kaido, since G5 can knock out Kaido(seen) but Kaido can't knock out G5.

Everyone can try to stall G5, but if someone can knock out G5, he show to have stronger AP than Kaido.

And that is the point.
Current Luffy is high diffing his EoW Luffy Version. We saw Luffy can now use G5 without transformig into a old men if he use it for short time. We saw him using now G4 far better.

Law can now use his awakening very casual, got haki boost after his battle against Big Mom.

Means they get stronger.
Luffy just needed two weeks and a extrem battle against Kaido, to jump from high high tier(Kata lvl) to mid/high top tier lvl(Kaido).

And you know how much time pass after his battle against Kaido was now one month(even longer) ago. Means he had 4-6 weeks to even grow more stronger. And before you coming up with stuff like he didn't had hard battles, he had a full battle day against Lucci,Kizaru and Gorosei.

Current Luffy got stronger.
He can easily high diff his EoW Luffy.
He is Kaido Level.
And if Loki can fight current Luffy equal, he is equal to Kaido.

Shonen manga never introduce one of the strongest characters few arcs early. They always show up one/two arcs before the final villian of the manga shows up.

Oda didn't trick anyone
He still even now still hypes kaido as WSC/WSP
Nothing has changed. Greenbull says he can't ever challenge kaido if he was around while he doesn't mind challenging Shanks any other time despite shanks haki disturbing him.

Shanks first top tier fight will have beaten by Teach so forget it too

Why isn't anyone hyping Shanks as WSP or above kaido then since Oda was tricking us?
It's been a month and yet nobody is out here saying Shanks is above kaido or is currently WSP even?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Marco slapped King around in every on panel exchange they've had. Oda made sure to not include a single panel where King with help from either another commander or fodder is shown pressing Marco or overpowering him.

It's crystal clear that King can't beat Marco 1v1. Wano is over. Accept reality.

The worst part was when Marco made flame on King bleed from a kick to the chest.

You know what’s funny about Zolo fans? They simultaneously think the idea of Katakuri’s FS making him a bad matchup for some top tiers is ridiculous, then they turn around and argue flame on King is completely invulnerable. Lol

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

He is?

By @JoNdule logic arguing big mom > shanks by bounty.
Katakuri has less bounty than queen. By his logic, queen > katakuri. But jondule think katakuri > queen.

 

[Rurushu]

It's funny how their arguments is based on one statement of Kaido
But then deny every other statements from kaido or Oden or Oda himself stating Kaido as WSP/WSC lol

Shanks fans or anyone who believes Shanks > kaido are just like Zoro fans when they have to nitpick which statement to believe

My favorite is how some people try to twist Kaido's statement that only a few people can give him a fight into the fact that those few people are actually stronger than him


Insane work

 

[Sir Yasheen]

By @JoNdule logic arguing big mom > shanks by bounty.
Katakuri has less bounty than queen. By his logic, queen > katakuri. But jondule think katakuri > queen.

That’s why he keeps praying Kata gets some random bounty boost despite already being at his peak as a 1 billion berry man like Jack

 

[CbShadow]

The worst part was when Marco made flame on King bleed from a kick to the chest.

You know what’s funny about Zolo fans? They simultaneously think the idea of Katakuri’s FS making him a bad matchup for some top tiers is ridiculous, then they turn around and argue flame on King is completely invulnerable. Lol

Zoro made King bleed as well. Then Oda went back and retconned it. It happens, get over it.

 

[JoNdule]

3 of them are above kaido. only clowns like you think otherwise because of agenda lol. The 4the one is lolden who almost beat kaido and lost because of trickery.
So 4/5 is people who can and have beaten kaido, but somehow shanks alone is the odd man out?

Open your eyes from kaido and meme agendas and you shall see the truth




Yeah prime WB would have rolled kaido so hard lol.
Kaido lost to fucking condom goofy.


But you do rate her above shanks...



Shanks being in kaido's top 5 IS proof from oda you dumbass.
And Shanks making kaido run back to wano before marine ford is also clear portrayal.
Kaido only respects strength. So if he puts shanks with 3 legends and oden, it's because kaido respects shanks's strength and holds it in high regard similar to the legends.

Oden himself isnt above kaido and he lost to Kaido via distraction 20 years ago
Enraged Oden couldn't beat Kaido in the castle after hours of fighting 25 years ago
That wasn't even peak Kaido yet which Oda knew and said "get stronger while you can"

2 years ago, Shanks couldn't beat Kaido despite having his crew while kaido had who? King? Lol

That's not Kaido's top 5
I don't know what manga you read
Primebeard wouldn't ragdoll Kaido. WB himself knew not to mess with kaido lightly
All you got is just tantrum cause nobody hypes Shanks over kaido

Kaido :nobody alive can beat me
Including Shanks whom he respects, he knows Shanks still can't beat him.

If Shanks could beat Kaido, he would have done it but he can't even with his cre

 

[Dcbluffy]

In the end feats are important for me, Statements been said and only implied that Kaido was be said to be the strongest.

In fact we never hear a statement with said "Kaido is the strongest" but was said to be the strongest. Killer only repeat that line, Kid never called him the strongest.

And that is the point, Killer never saw someone like Kaido, since they never saw Shanks in first place. Oda tricked the community knowing it would hype people with Statements like"said to be the strongest". But he doesn't needed to confirm it, since in his mind he already have character in back up who gonna surpass Kaido.

We saw only two top tiers fight with Kaido, one vs Oden and the another vs Luffy.

And Luffy surpassed Kaido, G5 could toe toe against Kaido, yes he still Dominated him, but he couldn't knock out G5 anymore, he used all his strongest attacks and failed to put down Luffy. That is the point, G5 is above Kaido, since G5 can knock out Kaido(seen) but Kaido can't knock out G5.

Everyone can try to stall G5, but if someone can knock out G5, he show to have stronger AP than Kaido.

And that is the point.
Current Luffy is high diffing his EoW Luffy Version. We saw Luffy can now use G5 without transformig into a old men if he use it for short time. We saw him using now G4 far better.

Law can now use his awakening very casual, got haki boost after his battle against Big Mom.

Means they get stronger.
Luffy just needed two weeks and a extrem battle against Kaido, to jump from high high tier(Kata lvl) to mid/high top tier lvl(Kaido).

And you know how much time pass after his battle against Kaido was now one month(even longer) ago. Means he had 4-6 weeks to even grow more stronger. And before you coming up with stuff like he didn't had hard battles, he had a full battle day against Lucci,Kizaru and Gorosei.

Current Luffy got stronger.
He can easily high diff his EoW Luffy.
He is Kaido Level.
And if Loki can fight current Luffy equal, he is equal to Kaido.

Shonen manga never introduce one of the strongest characters few arcs early. They always show up one/two arcs before the final villian of the manga shows up.

watch luffy not use acoc or fs again against his next opponent but he would use against random animals just shows tht luffy is nerfed for the antagonist as always

 

[JoNdule]

By @JoNdule logic arguing big mom > shanks by bounty.
Katakuri has less bounty than queen. By his logic, queen > katakuri. But jondule think katakuri > queen.

You don't even know what you're saying

yonko bounties are theirs
They're captains unlike YCs
I don't rate YCs based in bounties unless they're from the same crew
Oda even told us on sbs that YCs bounties depend on their captains influence, WG don't know how to properly give them bounties worth their strength

WHENEVER I RANK YCS, I use other factors like CoC, adhaki, awakening
Even among top tiers, my main arguments is WSP, WSC/WSM, PK, Yonko/FA titles , and CoC/special abilties
Bounty is used when the two guys have no WS/PK title but are both captains from the same status *yonko or warlord or supernova

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Again, I never said Kaido was > Roger, Whitebeard or Xebec, if you could read, you'd have figured that out three posts ago.

and if you could read, you'd know why i said that lol.

You do agree kaido is weaker than Roger WB and Rocks without any doubt right?
And you do understand that lolden almost beat kaido and only lost because of the old hag trickery right?

So 4/5 are > kaido.

Why the fuck would shanks be the odd man out. Oda put him there for a reason. It's so easy to understand that even a child could understand this. But yall refuse to acknowledge this cause you cling to the retarded agenda.

No because the list isn't "five characters stronger than me", the list is "five characters I respect", the fact that three of them are stronger is just a coincidence that you're trying to twist into a pattern. Kaido beat Oden without using anything more than base and dragon lmfao.

What do kaido respect? Strength. It's pretty clear that shanks at the VERY LEAST has enough strength to draw against kaido, or else he wouldn't respect him lol. And putting him with 3 characters > kaido and one who almost killed kaido is called PORTRAYAL. Maybe look it up in the dictionary or something


Kaido beat lolden because of a cheapshot lmfao. And he's still in ptsd over lolden lol.

Kaido is the strongest, that has been stated so many fucking times, and even in regards to Shanks specifically, Kaido and King both still consider Kaido stronger even after having fought the RHP on their way to Marineford lmao, your logic relies on believing that Kaido and King are either retarded or amnesiac, when in reality, it's just you that is delusional and refuses to accept very simple facts.

Lmao king the kaido glazer is a factual powersclarer now?
Their own opinions on their strength is hardly factual.

Kaido respects individual strength. So for kaido to put Shanks so high means shanks and shanks alone clashed with kaido before mf lol. If it was shanks and the whole rhp jumping kaido, why would he respect shanks and his strength?




Kaido is a finished villain. Many more characters are gonna eclipse him in strength lol. Yall will be crying for all that. Can't wait to see yall try to make excuses for kaido

 

[qwer8888]

Unless he's newgen, which he isn't. Shanks fate was sealed when we got their bounties already in the same chapter

He also became Yonko mainly because of his leadership and commanders being famous & crew being balanced
Unlike BM, WB and kaido who all became Yonko because of their strength mainly. Especially Kaido.

Even when he defeated Kidd, Oda highlighted his leadership as good leader and crew being balanced once again

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Yeah Queen was busy with Chopper their but we find out Sanji fought King and Queen offscreen when Marco was exhausted in the same page you posted

Yes, Quinn fought Chopper for about 20 minutes, that's how long his improved monster form lasts. Then Sanji came and started fighting with Quinn. What were Marco and King doing at that time that the phoenix ended up lying beaten at King's feet with not a single wound on it? It is unclear, we need to think hard about this issue

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Wanna bet?

You actually think Oda gonna miss that?

Yeah name the bet lol.

I guarantee you that oda won't give zolo and lanji the same bounty