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This also implies that Loki and Shiki might be working together. I can see this working well:

Shiki: "Ahhhh... you must be Loki. I heard Red Hair put you down, once you were already weakened from fighting the Giants, huh? Must be rough... to be trapped here, thanks to cowards like that, who know they can't take you in a man on man fight."

Loki: "Don't talk down to me, human. I am the Sun God, and, no matter how long these chains hold me, I will break out of them soon enough to bring the end this world requires."

Shiki: "Ahhh, of course! I am but a Lion, in a world full of giant, feral wolves. I simply wished to offer you a deal... I hate Red-Hair, too, since his Captain spat in my face, and ruined my plans... I'm making a plan, to take down all of the Yonkou, and then ruin the World Government. Want to join in?"

Loki: "Ohhhh... I was mistaken. You are no mere human. You have mighty ambitions, don't you? So be it... tell me, of your plan, to throw this world into war."

Shiki x Loki could be the best thing One Piece has done since Cross Guild.
That would actually be pretty cool which means it might not happen, just like that ancient fishman thing. I remember when I posted the Strong World comparison in the last thread someone pointed out that Oda might just be recycling the designs. I really hope that's not the case since Oda never really acknowledge if Strong World happened or not. And if it didn't, that just leaves a huge plot hole from chapter 0 since it shows Shiki's plan was still in effect in the manga.

To be fair, I don't think that "Me and my editor got into a big fight and got wounded in the process" thing was a serious comment, it'd be dumb as hell for him to do and even dumber for him to admit it.
Not trying to defend him because he definitely is a shitty person in some ways, but I just wanted to point that out, because I don't really believe he assaulted someone (as far as we know).
Yeah the fight thing might be an exaggerated joke, but the rest def sounds legit especially when you consider that Oda's an older guy who grew up in the harsher japanese work culture of old.
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Yeah I’m betting on it being gaban more than shiki based on his interactions with crocus and seemingly shanks
Its been 13 years since this cover came out during Fishman Island and still no answers.

THAT timeskip by THAT author really was a mistake. :christunate:
 
It’s gotta be Gaban. Someone had to take care of the Oro Jackson after they disbanded (it’s not like they would let the WG claim it or have it torn down), and we know Ray and Crocus don’t have it. It was also made of Adam wood, so it makes sense that one of the Roger Pirates would bring it back Elbaf
 

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Lilith turns the Straw Hats into Minks
That would actually be pretty cool which means it might not happen, just like that ancient fishman thing. I remember when I posted the Strong World comparison in the last thread someone pointed out that Oda might just be recycling the designs. I really hope that's not the case since Oda never really acknowledge if Strong World happened or not. And if it didn't, that just leaves a huge plot hole from chapter 0 since it shows Shiki's plan was still in effect in the manga.


Yeah the fight thing might be an exaggerated joke, but the rest def sounds legit especially when you consider that Oda's an older guy who grew up in the harsher japanese work culture of old.
This is how I view Strong World: Oda wanted to establish Shiki canon, and then use Strong World as a movie to explore other later concepts, like SMILES. Strong World had a strong that affected animals in negative ways, and also destroyed the local populace: this is clearly a SMILE prototype concept, IMO.

So, Shiki DOES has a plan still going on, but it's not the one from Strong World: it's a plan revolving around his original goal, that he wanted to do with Roger, the Ancient Weapons. Edd War IS canon:



Shiki wants the Ancient Weapon that can destroy the world.

Loki wants to bring the world to an end.

Vegapunk stated the Ancient Weapons can destroy the world.

What Ancient Weapon did we just learn the location of, a location that currently has a Cover Series? A location, deep underground, that two Yonkou just got shot down into?



Shiki's goal in Strong World was some random anime movie BS.

Shiki's goal in Elbaph... is learning about the Ancient Weapons. Imu has Uranus, Fish-Man Island has Poseidon.

Wano is how close to Elbaph?

:kuzanshut::kuzanshut::kuzanshut:

We're gonna get Cross Guild vs Shiki + Loki vs Blackbeard vs Wano + Straw Hats + who knows who else for Pluton

FUCK YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WANO ACT 4 IS REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Edit: Nah, fuck it, Shanks too.

Wano Act 4

4 Yonkou all going for Pluton

Luffy and Shanks to protect it

Buggy and Teach to claim it
 
This is how I view Strong World: Oda wanted to establish Shiki canon, and then use Strong World as a movie to explore other later concepts, like SMILES. Strong World had a strong that affected animals in negative ways, and also destroyed the local populace: this is clearly a SMILE prototype concept, IMO.

So, Shiki DOES has a plan still going on, but it's not the one from Strong World: it's a plan revolving around his original goal, that he wanted to do with Roger, the Ancient Weapons. Edd War IS canon:



Shiki wants the Ancient Weapon that can destroy the world.

Loki wants to bring the world to an end.

Vegapunk stated the Ancient Weapons can destroy the world.

What Ancient Weapon did we just learn the location of, a location that currently has a Cover Series? A location, deep underground, that two Yonkou just got shot down into?



Shiki's goal in Strong World was some random anime movie BS.

Shiki's goal in Elbaph... is learning about the Ancient Weapons. Imu has Uranus, Fish-Man Island has Poseidon.

Wano is how close to Elbaph?

:kuzanshut::kuzanshut::kuzanshut:

We're gonna get Cross Guild vs Shiki + Loki vs Blackbeard vs Wano + Straw Hats + who knows who else for Pluton

FUCK YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WANO ACT 4 IS REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
If Oda actually planned for Shiki to be involved in the current story, he wouldn’t let the anime give Shiki a fruit Oda didn’t want
 
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