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Is Gaban going to be used as a hype tool


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There's no way Oda's setting Gaban up to be a Sommers victim I won't believe it till I see it

Gaban, Dorry, Brogy and Jinbe should theoretically be able to deal with 3 high high-tiers just fine so either the HKs lose, they're stronger than we thought (they'd have to range from YC1+ to low top-tier) or those 4 are weaker than we thought

Rn it's looking like Loki was a tool to keep the M3 away from the HKs which is sus already... struggling to see where the threat in this arc is coming from. Atp you could add Shamrock and the HKs would still lose if say Luffy and Zoro double-teamed the guy and the others dealt with the rest... not to mention Loki's revealed to be a good guy too

If Rayleigh or Garp showed up in place of Gaban, we'd be thinking the HKs were at risk of being solo'd... all eyes are on Gaban rn 👀
Jinbe is weaker than people think.
+ HK stronger than people think.
 
Literally impossible to see HKs winning

Outnumbered and outscaled
Welcome to post ts piece

where every arc it never feels like the bad guys have a chance
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Hancocks powers physically changes an enemy. Sommers’ power just creates sharp physical thorns?
Sharp physical thorns based on what? You’re being obtuse

they’re both dependent on factors characters have very little control of outside of hard counters like haki.
 
How is it not? It’s literally based on things outside of skill control. If Hancock powers are hax so are Sommers
Yeah but Haki negating hax isn’t treated the same universally across all hax abilities

for example Bartolommeo’s barriers are also hax in that they require no strength or stamina from him and they are categorically INVINCIBLE. There’s no haki negation that can just shut down Barto’s barriers or just make them NOT invincible anymore

Sommers hax is that his thorns get stronger the more you love something the thorns are surrounding… So what it Haki Negation supposed to do here? Is it supposed to literally just shut down the ability wholesale? The thorns literally don’t even activate because of haki?
 
Weren’t you guys hyping Gaban as being somehow comparable to Raykeigh

you think these bum holy knights could handle Rayleigh?

Do you think each holy knight is like admiral level or something?
Do we believe that a Rayleigh restricted by plot, fighting against characters with abilities he doesn't understand, whose individual power levels are unknown, in a situation where he is caught off guard by the threat of a loved one being hurt could be put in a disadvantages position. Yes, any person with a brain can imagine such a scenario.
 
Iirc a certain part of America has an entire town underwater in an especially massive lake. I think it was an all black population too. I saw a video on it a while ago.

But yeah the Atlantis myth is based on what you said and theories about how the pyramids were truly built and some other weird anomalies in the world also like to involve this.

Oda probably believes it himself hence why he's writing one piece this way. He loves history IIRC and studying about the world, he's a huge westaboo like araki, kubo and some other authors too.

Given some of the things we can't explain and how certain things in this world are centuries or even eons old, it's probably true somehow.
The WG and VC is based on our world
Oda has a lot of knowledge
I think our biggest fault is that we think that ancient tribes are dumb and uncivilised
Weird that our advanced civilisation destroys nature and the world, I wonder who is the dumber version of mankind
I would say that we are only more arrogant and not wiser
 
Sommers look pretty old
It's hard to tell Killingham age since he's in Zoan from, but there's a silhouette that kinda look like him back in the GV flashback
Only Gunko as a young girl seems a recent addition in the HK
So Sommers and Killingham could have been in the God Valley back in the day
So high chance Both knows Gaban and already encounter each other in GV
 
Yeah but Haki negating hax isn’t treated the same universally across all hax abilities

for example Bartolommeo’s barriers are also hax in that they require no strength or stamina from him and they are categorically INVINCIBLE. There’s no haki negation that can just shut down Barto’s barriers or just make them NOT invincible anymore

Sommers hax is that his thorns get stronger the more you love something the thorns are surrounding… So what it Haki Negation supposed to do here? Is it supposed to literally just shut down the ability wholesale? The thorns literally don’t even activate because of haki?
Haki negation should be able to just turn them off, similar to how Law turned off Doc Q’s disease.

Barto barriers are lazy writing, we saw them being destroyed in DR
 
Do we believe that a Rayleigh restricted by plot, fighting against characters with abilities he doesn't understand, whose individual power levels are unknown, in a situation where he is caught off guard by the threat of a loved one being hurt could be put in a disadvantages position. Yes, any person with a brain can imagine such a scenario.
If Gaban beats Sommers directly instead of touching Colon, the problem will be solved, why do you believe in only one possibility?
 
Based on the relationship the victim has with the target? Quite the same as Hancock’s ability, it immobilizes people based on their attraction towards her
Idk if you just didn’t read the official, but the thorns don’t get stronger based on the relationship, they just pierce deeper because a loved one will hold one another tighter as Sommers explained

They’re literally just sharp thorns
 
Do we believe that a Rayleigh restricted by plot, fighting against characters with abilities he doesn't understand, whose individual power levels are unknown, in a situation where he is caught off guard by the threat of a loved one being hurt could be put in a disadvantages position. Yes, any person with a brain can imagine such a scenario.
How though?

so Sommers puts his thorns around Gaban’s kid… and then what? Gaban just loses? Why?

why doesn’t Gaban immediately blitz Sommers and kick him in the face? What’s stopping him? Can Sommer’s thorns even attack The kid?

seriously, think about it, can the thorns even damage the kid? The thorns only appear when you try and touch something you love, that’s the only condition in which we know the thorns can do damage… So what is the actual problem here?

Gaban’s kid surrounded by thorns, Gaban can’t go near him, so Gaban picks up an Axe and Cuts Sommers’ head off… why not?
 
Idk if you just didn’t read the official, but the thorns don’t get stronger based on the relationship, they just pierce deeper because a loved one will hold one another tighter as Sommers explained

They’re literally just sharp thorns
Mother Frame merchants, the other explanation is more in line with Sommer’s personality
 
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