Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1148 Spoilers Discussion

Is Saint Sommers done for ?


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Shanks beat Kaido during MF and if Shamrock remotely scales to Shanks he's above him as well whereas every Admiral is ruled above Shamrock per title scaling.
Its like you tried logical reasoning and gave up half way through the first word and then just winged it.
 
For 1. I’m talking about how they scale relative to each other

For characters like the Admirals they have fruits to bridge the gap. It’s hard to put Gaban in the same tier as the other old legends if they’re all fruitless (except Sengoku I guess) and they have ACoC while he doesn’t

He’s clearly supposed to be strong even in old age but we can’t really put him in a specific tier yet. I’m still leaning towards low top tier but he could be an inbetweener

2. Rayleigh got tired pretty quickly against Kizaru. In a drawn out fight I don’t really see how Rayleigh would win. Not saying he would swift diff him or anything but he would lose eventually
For 1, Gaban may not have CoC, but it doesn’t change his hype and portrayal which put him alongside Rayleigh in his prime. Gaban has the ability to create whirlpools as well which means he has powers beyond just his haki, which Rayleigh just doesn’t.

2. I put it in comparable, I’m not saying Kizaru would lose, but kizarus not winning with less than extreme diff.
 
You know I respect you enough to not really care about arguing on this
But I still think I'm right on this. I guess we'll see eventually

Kuzan I'm not certain about, he likely just stalemates him
Imu wins for certain
Dragon has a 99% chance of winning
Garling has a 99% chance of winning
Can't remember what other top tiers were on there. Think it was Sakazuki and Shamrock right? They win too.
What are you basing this on? I don't think Dragon has fought anyone in the manga yet, I don't think him or Garling are above Aramaki, Dragon at best scales to around Sakazuki, who Fujitora didn't fear but Aramaki easily beat up
 
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