ONE PIECE CHAPTER: 1158: ROCKS VS HARALD

[Monkey D Theories]

It’s actually crazy how people will see Harald fighting on par with Rocks and then just say “yeah, hajrudin will never be strong”

there is no world where Haj doesn’t become a top tier by EoS.

he has one of the most stacked lineages of all time, being son of Harald and brother to Loki. It’s literally comparable to Luffy or Shanks.

he also likewise has a kingly ambition. One he needs to accomplish to aid Luffy in the final war.

it’s not a question of if hajrudin will be a top tier. It’s how Oda goes about it.

 

[Kiiro]

Love how Roger is so casual with Rocks, Wb, Big Mom and every "enemy"

Dude, it seems Big Mom knew Roger more than we think, even as close enemy friends lol

So, her being so nostalgic at her death being mad at Roger kinda makes it more sad.
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It’s actually crazy how people will see Harald fighting on par with Rocks and then just say “yeah, hajrudin will never be strong”

there is no world where Haj doesn’t become a top tier by EoS.

he has one of the most stacked lineages of all time, being son of Harald and brother to Loki. It’s literally comparable to Luffy or Shanks.

he also likewise has a kingly ambition. One he needs to accomplish to aid Luffy in the final war.

it’s not a question of if hajrudin will be a top tier. It’s how Oda goes about it.

Not everyone is a top tier.

Byt define whats a top tier

 

[thisnewtechnique]

This chapter reminded me this is a manga about pirates. Some chapters ago there was a mysterious god-like person taking over a women's body who is changing some giants into strong evil creatures with a magical book.

This chapter reminded me that they are normal pirates, human as ever

 

[soupongo]

omg stop crying every single pirate an crew destroy stel and tke what they wat Luffy does so as well, and zoro was a literal bounty hunter killing was sport for him...

Idk what to tell you lol, killing innocent people is generally pretty immoral...

 

[MUUGEN]

Idk what to tell you lol, killing innocent people is generally pretty immoral...

so once again every single main player is considered evil then.....



lol so everytime the WG speaks on someone we should take their word for it, don't forget this is a single person they tried to remove all history from.

i swear you fkn new gen kids switch up so fast lol

luffy is a terrorist that directly declared war against the WG then double downed and punched a CD in the face then tripled downed breaking into ID, freeing thousands of notorious criminals, then escaped and entered the MF war with those same forces..... hes worked directly with other pirates who've committed heinous acts for his own personal gain. Is Luffy evil?!

but then again the WG is right even though they commit genocide whenever they feel like just recently they destroyed an entire island with an ancient weapon and annihilated the entirety of ohara but yeah Rocks is evil cause the WG says so.

gtfo of here, hes a fkn pirate ffs.

 

[MUUGEN]

It’s actually crazy how people will see Harald fighting on par with Rocks and then just say “yeah, hajrudin will never be strong”

there is no world where Haj doesn’t become a top tier by EoS.

he has one of the most stacked lineages of all time, being son of Harald and brother to Loki. It’s literally comparable to Luffy or Shanks.

he also likewise has a kingly ambition. One he needs to accomplish to aid Luffy in the final war.

it’s not a question of if hajrudin will be a top tier. It’s how Oda goes about it.

he wont though...

Loki is the one who inherited all of that not harjudin...

 

[soupongo]

so once again every single main player is considered evil then.....

The majority of them are... The world government is evil, The Marines are (generally) evil, The Blackbeard pirates are evil, Cross guild is evil, etc.

lol so everytime the WG speaks on someone we should take their word for it, don't forget this is a single person they tried to remove all history from.

i swear you fkn new gen kids switch up so fast lol

The source for this is the narrator, not the government saying he's wiped out entire towns.

luffy is a terrorist that directly declared war against the WG then double downed and punched a CD in the face then tripled downed breaking into ID, freeing thousands of notorious criminals, then escaped and entered the MF war with those same forces..... hes worked directly with other pirates who've committed heinous acts for his own personal gain. Is Luffy evil?!

but then again the WG is right even though they commit genocide whenever they feel like just recently they destroyed an entire island with an ancient weapon and annihilated the entirety of ohara but yeah Rocks is evil cause the WG says so.

gtfo of here, hes a fkn pirate ffs.

Luffy has done evil things, but we can consider him overall not evil, because he has done more good things than bad. But yeah, freeing Impel down prisoners is evil....

The government is also obviously evil as well.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

he wont though...

Loki is the one who inherited all of that not harjudin...

There is simply no way Hajrudin, a bastard, can become giant king if he’s not a top tier. He’s not a true royal by birth, he must prove himself.

He either gets a massive haki awakening or a DF, but he will get something.
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Not everyone is a top tier.

Byt define whats a top tier

Typically the fandom has used admirals/yonko as the benchmark for top tier

but Rocks mid diffed an admiral. Shanks also one shot a 3 billion berry pirate. Neither of them are as strong as Imu or Joyboy.

So power creep still allows for EoS Haj to be a top tier, as fitting of Harald’s son and the giant king, while still being significantly below Luffy or his wings.
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Ultimately Hajrudin isnt a weakling. He has the strength of a giant, something few characters can match. When he inevitably unlocks CoC, he’ll basically have a one way ticket to becoming a top tier.

 

[MUUGEN]

There is simply no way Hajrudin, a bastard, can become giant king if he’s not a top tier. He’s not a true royal by birth, he must prove himself.

He either gets a massive haki awakening or a DF, but he will get something.

well there is no king atm and Loki was successor but rn hes an enemy to elbaf..

harjudin is well respected by all of elbaf and is captain of the crew atm

 

[Monkey D Theories]

well there is no king atm and Loki was successor but rn hes an enemy to elbaf..

harjudin is well respected by all of elbaf and is captain of the crew atm

Hajrudin is a bastard. Harald was dead for 14 years and Haj still isnt king.

Haj needs to prove himself.

Also Luffy needs ACoC users to fight holy knights in the final war. So it just doesn’t make sense for Haj to not be one.

 

[MUUGEN]

Hajrudin is a bastard. Harald was dead for 14 years and Haj still isnt king.

Haj needs to prove himself.

Also Luffy needs ACoC users to fight holy knights in the final war. So it just doesn’t make sense for Haj to not be one.

but no one is king of elbaph.

just giving people ACoC cause we "need" them to fight holy knights. they're fighting 3 atm that are going to eventually fall here & currently their is at least 3 CoC users.

we dont even know the number of HK there are in the world, outside of Gorosei there is about what 9 HK total that need to be dealt with with ACoC.

its not like the HK are in abundance & we have characters like Hancock & Yamato who will be alongside luffy then possibly kidd if he returns & more than. likely players like Shanks & Loki as well. for luffys confirmed allies there is at least 5 CoC users amongst them that all should sit around that YC1 mark.

these characters we are seeing are high tiers at best I'd say lower than YC1/2 - Super Sommers and co. so they aren't anything special just simply hax..

 

[Peepooman]

Side charaxters are cancer

 

[NicoRobinIsQueen]

It's really funny when you see all the threads made about the chapter are Moria threads

 

[Monkey D Theories]

but no one is king of elbaph.

just giving people ACoC cause we "need" them to fight holy knights. they're fighting 3 atm that are going to eventually fall here & currently their is at least 3 CoC users.

we dont even know the number of HK there are in the world, outside of Gorosei there is about what 9 HK total that need to be dealt with with ACoC.

its not like the HK are in abundance & we have characters like Hancock & Yamato who will be alongside luffy then possibly kidd if he returns & more than. likely players like Shanks & Loki as well. for luffys confirmed allies there is at least 5 CoC users amongst them that all should sit around that YC1 mark.

these characters we are seeing are high tiers at best I'd say lower than YC1/2 - Super Sommers and co. so they aren't anything special just simply hax..

Ultimately I think it just makes more sense than not

Say if nothing else, Hajrudin will surpass Dorry and Brogy.

Which is the absolute minimum you can scale him imo, as the NGWs are supposed to be direct successors to the giant warriors.

Well, Dorry and Brogy are worth 1.8 bil. That’s only 400 mil below post skip Teach. They could also hold their own against the Gorosei.

Haj is their successor. But his crew only has one captain, not two. He also has a kingly ambition and even sought out a logia fruit to help him achieve it.

EoS Haj being a 3 bil pirate is more than reasonable. Only 1.2 mil over Dorry and Brogy, which is to be expected of the Giant King.

 

[MUUGEN]

Ultimately I think it just makes more sense than not

Say if nothing else, Hajrudin will surpass Dorry and Brogy.

Which is the absolute minimum you can scale him imo, as the NGWs are supposed to be direct successors to the giant warriors.

Well, Dorry and Brogy are worth 1.8 bil. That’s only 400 mil below post skip Teach. They could also hold their own against the Gorosei.

Haj is their successor. But his crew only has one captain, not two. He also has a kingly ambition and even sought out a logia fruit to help him achieve it.

EoS Haj being a 3 bil pirate is more than reasonable. Only 1.2 mil over Dorry and Brogy, which is to be expected of the Giant King.

the way some of you scale is funny.

not every single character needs to double their predecessor.

but harjudin has oda stating that the fleet will play a role later on thats about it but you are trying to inflate someone that is weaker than G2/G3 DR Luffywhich at best currently is DR-WCI Sanji & that isnt saying much.

he wont surpass loki and he may have a kingly ambition of wanting to become the united king but that doesnt require a power creep in which you are discussing.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

he wont surpass loki and he may have a kingly ambition of wanting to become the united king but that doesnt require a power creep in which you are discussing.

Why wouldn’t it? Elbaf is a nation of might warriors, and the royal bloodline is supposed to maintain the blood of the powerful ancient giants. Strength is undeniably tied to kingship.

The last king was powerful and Hajrudin aims to surpass Harald by not simply becoming king of elbaf, but king of all giants.

If strength wasn’t a factor then Hajrudin would have no reason to seek the mera mera no mi. In fact he would have been crowned king when Loki killed Harald 14 years ago.
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the king of giants is a top tier. Hajrudin needs to become one.

Hence he will probably get one or more of the following:

• A DF(something he’s already sought)
• A haki awakening
• Some hax genetic power(buccaneer?)

Look how Oda treated Momo in wano and expect Haj to get the same in elbaf.

 

[Venom]

Hajrudin is a bastard. Harald was dead for 14 years and Haj still isnt king.

Haj needs to prove himself.

Also Luffy needs ACoC users to fight holy knights in the final war. So it just doesn’t make sense for Haj to not be one.

Holy knights are going down this arc , for the final war its gorosei.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

@Monkey D Theories Hajrudin don't have ancient giant blood like harald/Loki.

 

[Ven437]

I just noticed that Oda does the same circular effect for Law’s shockwaves.

Spoiler

Puncture Wille is like Rocks‘ signature attack but on roids, island-level of power plus a concentrated internal attack. Law is really himothy.
@Roo @MonochromeYoru @MonsterKaido @Ven437

BM too

She singled out the shockwave user. Knew who the himothies of AP are from experience seeing Rocks signature style

 

[Bogard]

Pretty nice callback