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Is Harald above the OG Yonkou's?


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Not peak but already top-tier so nobody can stomp her. We can see in their interactions that she‘s clearly top 3 to 5 on Rocks’ ship. She’s for sure above Bum Axe, who got out-aura’d by a 17-year-old Kaido.

Kaido might get stomped by Roger, Whitebeard and Big Mom won’t lose during God’s Valley. They might not even have a proper matchup unlike Shiki and Silver Axe who most likely will go up against Ray and Gaban.
wb its kinda hinted that he facing garling but he dont have to lose no .
ANd the difference between Roger garp xebec and BM should be pretty massive yes she wont put much of a fight if they go serious .
 
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Silver axe got clowned by a bomb the size of BM's palm :suresure: He not above young BM and since shiki is his rival that means shiki is below her too
No? Shiki and Wang Zhi were rivals before he joined Rocks, characters can grow in strength overtime.... Shiki went on to become rivals with Roger/Sengoku.

Sengoku highlighted BM WB and Kaido (who could go with xebec enough to destroy the island) while putting shiki with the likes of wang zhi btw (who was still active as pirate)
Aren't you milking this name placement thing at this point? Kaido, Big Mom and Whitebeard were all characters relevant in the Wano arc, and pirates in recent years that the Marines who weren't old enough to know about Rocks would have known a lot about. While power is obviously relevant, I doubt it is the only factor, and Shiki was named the first of the other group anyway, his name is supposed to be a big deal like the others. Plus, we have Oda in the SBS saying that he wanted Whitebeard to highlight Shiki with Roger,Garp and Sengoku as the big names back in the day

BM was laughing at roger this ch unlike other members who were taking photos of him.
Shiki nearly murdered the man, only stopped because of a storm
 
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none of this shit matters. by your own words, shank haki being compared to the literal pirate jesus joyboy's top haki, is way better portrayal.
Joyboy's haki split the sky by itself and it was better. So no. The reason I think shanks can end up being stronger is due to him being oda's self insert. Still it's not confirmed. Again manga portrayal favors waido.
 
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No? Shiki and Wang Zhi were rivals before he joined Rocks, characters can grow in strength overtime.... Shiki went on to become rivals with Roger/Sengoku.
Shiki lost to a storm. BM creates storms. Shiki got a wheel stuck to his head. BM never had any scars. Powerwise BM murks shiki lol


Aren't you milking this name placement thing at this point? Kaido, Big Mom and Whitebeard were all characters relevant in the Wano arc, and pirates in recent years that the Marines who weren't old enough to know about Rocks would have known a lot about. While power is obviously relevant, I doubt it is the only factor, and Shiki was named the first of the other group anyway, his name is supposed to be a big deal like the others. Plus, we have Oda in the SBS saying that he wanted Whitebeard to highlight Shiki with Roger,Garp and Sengoku as the big names back in the day


Shiki nearly murdered the man, only stopped because of a storm
Wang zhi was still active after wb died and still got placed in the forgotten group lmao

You can make the same argument for BM too that she wasnt relevant in mf hence her name left out. I doubt oda even fleshed out her history fully either other than some hints like lolas vc

When BM got introduced. She singled Garp out when talking to luffy meaning they fought or clash in the past. She also a great pirate same status as the others. By feats and portrayal she clears shiki too
 
wb its kinda hinted that he facing garling but he dont have to lose no .
ANd the difference between Roger garp xebec and BM should be pretty massive yes she wont put much of a fight if they go serious .
Big Mom’s not losing to anybody either. Big Mom called Kaido a rookie during Kuma’s flashback. She’s much closer to Whitebeard than Kaido at the time, she was in her early thirties.
 
wb its kinda hinted that he facing garling but he dont have to lose no .
ANd the difference between Roger garp xebec and BM should be pretty massive yes she wont put much of a fight if they go serious .
Kaido could beef w xebec until island is destroyed. BM is far above this rookie kaido. Meanwhile shiki got shook by a fight bw kaido and xebec lmfao
 
Shiki lost to a storm. BM creates storms. Shiki got a wheel stuck to his head. BM never had any scars. Powerwise BM murks shiki lol
Shiki didn't lose to a storm, half of his fleet did. In a similar situation, Big Mom could also lose half her fleet. Shiki actually lost to Garp and Sengoku, two of the strongest characters in the manga,and he still destroyed half of marineford and didn't even die,nor get scarred/injured super badly. Even after, Garp respected his strength and praised him, and Rayleigh was interested in reading about him.

Wang zhi was still active after wb died and still got placed in the forgotten group lmao
Because Wang Zhi was never that big of a deal, at least based on what we know. But Shiki was back in the day one of the big 4 per Whitebeard

You can make the same argument for BM too that she wasnt relevant in mf hence her name left out. I doubt oda even fleshed out her history fully either other than some hints like lolas vc/QUOTE]
Shiki was also not relevant in MF lol

When BM got introduced. She singled Garp out when talking to luffy meaning they fought or clash in the past. She also a great pirate same status as the others. By feats and portrayal she clears shiki too
I don't disagree that they're both great pirates
 

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I would rank the strongest Rocks Pirates during their time as:
Xebec
Whitebeard
Shiki
Linlin

No clue where young Kaido is. He's definitely not losing to Don Marlon and his likes. Maybe some of the more relevant other ones were above him? Silver Axe was highlighted for a reason, John seems important and Wang Zhi was seemingly a monster even in old age
 
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