Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1159 Spoilers Discussion

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Roger started the fight with xebec not the other way around rocks wanted to save his family he had no time for roger

and it was literally stated in the chapter that roger along with garp fought rocks and his crew to protect the world nobles slaves so nobody is pushing it

And considering that imu can turn people into demons rocks could've been domi reversi'd causing roger and garp to 2v1 him
I mean thanks bruhz for just restating Agenda Piece?


Roger: Wait Rocks!!
Rocks: Out of my way, Roger!!!

Your conclusion: Roger started the fight to defend the CD (that he could careless about). The CD who were already went under Marine protection before Garp and Roger even arrived.




Sengoku told other MARINES (who work for the CD) that they fought to protect the CD and their slaves, all while not being there himself. And Garp himself never telling Sengoku the whole story of that day since he doesn't like to talk about it. The slaves also needed protection from the numerous pirates that had gathered on the island. Big Mom literally attacked two slave children over DFs lmao. Rocks and Roger's crews weren't the only crews gathered at God Valley, countless other pirate ships outside of theirs went to God Valley as well. When top tiers are fighting left and right... who gone protect the slaves?? you know the people chained up and defenseless??

But nah maybe Garp should've just let em get killed in the crossfire, would've been the better choice, I suppose.
 
My only hope is that at some point more Holy Knights get called back and fight this arc.

Seemingly, the WG is having a battle currently on 2 fronts and what I would love personally is see the arc play out where some Holy Knights are on Elbaf for Imu and the rest are fighting the Revolutionaries in Mariejoa.

Mainly given things stated this arc, I do hope Shamrock in the least returns since he straight up tells Loki to come find him when he's free.

But even then the opportunity to parallel Dragon fighting Garling and Luffy fighting Shamrock would be cool, the latter given the fact that him looking like Shanks would cause some conflict.

Idk how I feel about Gunko because even though its Imu technically, Oda generally have Luffy wail on women especially victims. I dont see how this fight becomes at all that serious or "good" given that. Plus, at worst Imu loses her and doesnt get resolved clearly.

Just how I feel about this arc currently.
The problem with Shamrock it's that I think he is endgame material, really endgame, so I can't see him beaten now.
I can see him in Marijoa, but even then I can't see him having a decisive fight.

Yeah, Gunko is a problem in that sense. That's why I am not sold on her.
 
So you think Garp and Roger took on the whole crew while Roger and Garp's cronies sat on their ships twiddling their thumbs?
Come on.
Although yes, obviously Roger Rocks and Garp weren't trying to help the CDs or whatever.
How is this in anyway counter to what I said bruhz?


Me: The manga didn't say Roger & Garp did 2vs1 against Xebec. But they teamed up and broke apart the crew.
You: So you think Garp and Roger took on the whole crew??


I don't know what happened, we'll find out in the next few chapters. What I said, is that the 2vs1 idea is not from the manga, but headcanon.
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
-> He was introduced as a character that people in Wano despised, a flat out delinquent, only a handful of people liked him
-> He was then hated again by people of Wano for the dancing shit
-> Whitebeard himself wasn't fking with him like that enough to take him on board from the get go, mans had to earn it

He died a hero because he sacrificed his life to protect Wano in his own way, thus people respected/liked him, on a tiny ass island and couple handful of people outside of that tiny ass island.

Name a person who didn't like Newgate? Even the people who went after his life had wet fantasies about Newgate, like Crocodile. Mihawk was creaming himself at the thought of just being able to fight Newgate. You had bum pirates like Buggy glazing up and down Newgate's pole before his actual introduction. Even Garp and Sengoku fked with Newgate, but stood against him due to him being a pirate. Ivankov in ID is glazing up Newgate. Jinbei couldn't get off his knees for Newgate... Akainu literally got turned into a moronic dumbfuck of an idiot, just so Newgate could have a "Badass ending" instead of getting beheaded by a magma fist.

Do we need to talk about Shanks?

I just think y'all are doing projection or rather adding on things that didn't exist. He was like as much as Harald is liked by pirates. Garp likes Harald, Sengoku likes Harald, Xebec likes Harald, Whitebeard likes Harald, his own people like Harald. His people liked Harald even when he was a fucked up asshole. Then other nations love Harald. Why is this criticism not applicable to Harald?

Oden is not the guy when it comes to "he was the coolest guy". Mans is one of the biggest failures in the series on a consistent basis and Oda made sure to write him that way in nearly every step of the way, until the very end with him fulfilling his role with the prophecy shit, which was arguably the only thing he actually succeeded in.

With all that said, if somebody finds him annoying, that's their right to. I'm simply talking about the writing being great for him, as somebody asked me why I think he's a great character.
What?
His intro have 2 people slandering him for doing that soup with someone's bones or some shit.
It ends with people realizing it was his friend and he was fulfilling his friend's last wish. Kid's even goes "he's so cool!"

Also, "harem war" might've been on of the stupidest things Oda ever wrote. And I'm not talking the usual comedy thing. It's just plain stupid.
I get the whole narrative about him. Truly.
But the way he was presented to me simply didn't resonate at all with me.
 
Oden is a dogshit character and Kuma's flashback was just constant misery porn with no breaks, it was like a parody of crybaby backstories especially with hilarious scenes like this.


So far Xebec's tale has been way more entertaining to follow than the trash that came before.
Wtf do you except from Kuma's flashback? Did you thought Kuma's flashback was going to be all sunshine and rainbows?

Of course it was going to be filled with misery, Kuma's flashback was all about Kuma and Bonney as characters and their past.

There wasn't anything wrong with it, his flashback is still one of the best, the complaint of it being just misery porn is just fucking stupid.

Saying Kuma's flashback was trash and comparing it alongside Oden's flashback, just shows how ignorant you are.

If you weren't a fan of it, that's fine but actually saying it was trash, is just dumb imo.

And of course the Elbaf flashback is going to better, the flashback is focusing a lot on the Rocks Pirates as well as giving us more lore to the story.
 
They don't need to know about Imu to understand that Rocks is for some reason going insane and is basically on roids right now
If Imu is possessing him, he should (as Gunko) start talking as Imu (I mean, it would be Imu then), having his haki, his powers, etc. And more so, HKs and Saturn at least should fight for him against the pirates.

And in all this Garp and some other shouldn't understand anything or take sides.

Idk, seems not likely to me.

I have Imu possessing Gunko and beating Xebec, making also a connection with what is happening in Erbaf, which is the same, but tbh not Imu possessing Xebec himself.
 
-> He was introduced as a character that people in Wano despised, a flat out delinquent, only a handful of people liked him
-> He was then hated again by people of Wano for the dancing shit
-> Whitebeard himself wasn't fking with him like that enough to take him on board from the get go, mans had to earn it

He died a hero because he sacrificed his life to protect Wano in his own way, thus people respected/liked him, on a tiny ass island and couple handful of people outside of that tiny ass island.

Name a person who didn't like Newgate? Even the people who went after his life had wet fantasies about Newgate, like Crocodile. Mihawk was creaming himself at the thought of just being able to fight Newgate. You had bum pirates like Buggy glazing up and down Newgate's pole before his actual introduction. Even Garp and Sengoku fked with Newgate, but stood against him due to him being a pirate. Ivankov in ID is glazing up Newgate. Jinbei couldn't get off his knees for Newgate... Akainu literally got turned into a moronic dumbfuck of an idiot, just so Newgate could have a "Badass ending" instead of getting beheaded by a magma fist.

Do we need to talk about Shanks?

I just think y'all are doing projection or rather adding on things that didn't exist. He was like as much as Harald is liked by pirates. Garp likes Harald, Sengoku likes Harald, Xebec likes Harald, Whitebeard likes Harald, his own people like Harald. His people liked Harald even when he was a fucked up asshole. Then other nations love Harald. Why is this criticism not applicable to Harald?

Oden is not the guy when it comes to "he was the coolest guy". Mans is one of the biggest failures in the series on a consistent basis and Oda made sure to write him that way in nearly every step of the way, until the very end with him fulfilling his role with the prophecy shit, which was arguably the only thing he actually succeeded in.

With all that said, if somebody finds him annoying, that's their right to. I'm simply talking about the writing being great for him, as somebody asked me why I think he's a great character.
Oden is a great character lmao. Y'all just bash him for the dancing, which is fine to bash him for if you disagree with his decision. But that man's character development is some of the best Oda's done in less than 10 chapters.
What you find uninteresting, boring, is up to you. His writing objectively is consistent and well written for the short stay of his character.

I don't care for Newgate, Doflamingo, and many fan favorite characters, and borderline could careless if they existed in this series or not. So I'm not the one to tell people what they can like or not.
Alright I think it's about time, you ban yourself again.:pepapoo:
 
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