Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1161 Spoilers discussion thread
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Very true. Lhiki took an L too. So many fans arguing he was No 2 but when the REAL main event that everybody was waiting for comes... it's WB and BM who get all the lead focus
And dont forget we also got Shiki's rival Silver axe. Why would Oda supposedly pair Shiki and WB then introduce another random rival into the eqn? Doesnt make any sense unless Shiki needed his own corner. WB BM and Kaido was already the main trio
But anyways. Propagandabeard took the biggest L this ch. He ran and got stopped by Roger and did nothing to save shakky. This guy failed the mission objectively and validated Sakazuki's MF claim as a coward
And dont forget we also got Shiki's rival Silver axe. Why would Oda supposedly pair Shiki and WB then introduce another random rival into the eqn? Doesnt make any sense unless Shiki needed his own corner. WB BM and Kaido was already the main trio
But anyways. Propagandabeard took the biggest L this ch. He ran and got stopped by Roger and did nothing to save shakky. This guy failed the mission objectively and validated Sakazuki's MF claim as a coward
Though once again, skyplit was irrelevant 
The first encounter between young Whitebeard and Roger was exactly like the encounter between Aokiji and Old Garp, Whitebeard and Oden
But the encounter between Roger and Whitebeard that split the sky had even surprised Oden
Everything is clear
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Where exactly was it irrelevant?
The first encounter between young Whitebeard and Roger was exactly like the encounter between Aokiji and Old Garp, Whitebeard and Oden
But the encounter between Roger and Whitebeard that split the sky had even surprised Oden
Everything is clear
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The first encounter between young Whitebeard and Roger was exactly like the encounter between Aokiji and Old Garp, Whitebeard and Oden
But the encounter between Roger and Whitebeard that split the sky had even surprised Oden
Everything is clear
Cope more
First, the two super clashes of Xebec and Harald (far superior to the Kaido-Luffy One) didn't skyplit.
Now Roger and WB clashed: and didn't skyplit
.And if you think 40 YO WB-Roger capable of hurting immortals are inferior to 1026 pre Nika Luffy, I don't really know what to tell you lol.
Instead, ther Clash was drawn as Aokiji and Garp's.
That's fair, I'm much more forgiving of them out of bias for pre TS and getting invested in them immediately back then. Something I deeply regret now ironically lmao. But the criticisms are completely valid just like the same criticisms of too many new characters being added of the blue post TS especially in the past few arcs ofc.
Oda said half of the Supernovas weren't supposed to survive the new world over the timeskip IIRC. Something to that effect. It explains a lot sadly. They weren't even his idea except Kidd at least, he was apparently incentivised by his editors or w/e to add them in last minute.
Its almost like Oda was setting up a replacement for the SHs back then to focus on as he's been doing with side characters post TS from various arcs for all these damn years lol.
I respect you not slandering them though, thank you. And your honesty too!
Although I gotta say, I'm so grateful for Oda for giving us Law and Bepo, as well as Kidd and Killer and I did really like what he did with Capone too. IIRC the Warlords weren't planned originally either, it was only the Yonkos who were planned for the story? And I guess the Admirals?
I really miss the Marines being the main ultimate threat and when it seemed like the Gorosei were the true rulers of the world, sigh. A single leader makes far more sense but I preferred the uniquness of 5 people leading instead. A lot of wasted potential there. Now they're just the (elderly) muscle, dogs of the real leader.
Oda said half of the Supernovas weren't supposed to survive the new world over the timeskip IIRC. Something to that effect. It explains a lot sadly. They weren't even his idea except Kidd at least, he was apparently incentivised by his editors or w/e to add them in last minute.
Its almost like Oda was setting up a replacement for the SHs back then to focus on as he's been doing with side characters post TS from various arcs for all these damn years lol.
I respect you not slandering them though, thank you. And your honesty too!
Although I gotta say, I'm so grateful for Oda for giving us Law and Bepo, as well as Kidd and Killer and I did really like what he did with Capone too. IIRC the Warlords weren't planned originally either, it was only the Yonkos who were planned for the story? And I guess the Admirals?
I really miss the Marines being the main ultimate threat and when it seemed like the Gorosei were the true rulers of the world, sigh. A single leader makes far more sense but I preferred the uniquness of 5 people leading instead. A lot of wasted potential there. Now they're just the (elderly) muscle, dogs of the real leader.
Precisely because of that: irrelevant
First, the two super clashes of Xebec and Harald (far superior to the Kaido-Luffy One) didn't skyplit.
Now Roger and WB clashed: and didn't skyplit.
And if you think 40 YO WB-Roger capable of hurting immortals are inferior to 1026 pre Nika Luffy, I don't really know what to tell you lol.
Instead, ther Clash was drawn as Aokiji and Garp's.
First, the two super clashes of Xebec and Harald (far superior to the Kaido-Luffy One) didn't skyplit.
Now Roger and WB clashed: and didn't skyplit
.And if you think 40 YO WB-Roger capable of hurting immortals are inferior to 1026 pre Nika Luffy, I don't really know what to tell you lol.
Instead, ther Clash was drawn as Aokiji and Garp's.
Ray literally looks bad in this chapter, it's clear
Yeah Luffy was stronger than them when he did this feat when he easily used Advcoa and Advcoc at the same time, something he never did against Kizaru and Saturn
Oda proved that a random encounter between Roger and Whitebeard is exactly the same as the feat of Aokiji and Garp
Excuses, excuses, and more excuses
Why wasn't Harald and Rocks' encounter like Garp and Aokiji's encounter or Roger and Whitebeard's encounter now?
Why didn't it cause an explosion?
You're just making excuses
It's clear that this Roger and Whitebeard encounter was much weaker than the one when the sky split
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That's basically It.
You are suggesting pre Nika 1026 Luffy has better haki than prime Xebec, prime Harald and ~40 YO Roger and WB capable of hurting immortals.
And that's it.
Skyplit died the moment pre Nika Luffy did It. Now we even saw far stronger character didn't, and it's only further dead.
Shanks anyway has far better haki feats than Skyplit.
You are suggesting pre Nika 1026 Luffy has better haki than prime Xebec, prime Harald and ~40 YO Roger and WB capable of hurting immortals.
And that's it.
Skyplit died the moment pre Nika Luffy did It. Now we even saw far stronger character didn't, and it's only further dead.
Shanks anyway has far better haki feats than Skyplit.
There is nothing to cope with.
Your stance suggests pre-Nika 1026 Luffy has better haki than prime Xebec, prime Harald and ~40 YO Roger and WB capable of hurting immortals.
And that's it.
When you suggest Prime Xebec had worse haki than pre-Nika Luffy, what's there left to say?
Even though I don't understand why you care. Shanks had arguably the highest praise a CoC user can even have: his CoC is akin to Joy Boy's.
Idk really know why you bother with something 1026 pre Nika Luffy did.
Your stance suggests pre-Nika 1026 Luffy has better haki than prime Xebec, prime Harald and ~40 YO Roger and WB capable of hurting immortals.
And that's it.
When you suggest Prime Xebec had worse haki than pre-Nika Luffy, what's there left to say?
Even though I don't understand why you care. Shanks had arguably the highest praise a CoC user can even have: his CoC is akin to Joy Boy's.
Idk really know why you bother with something 1026 pre Nika Luffy did.
This whole flackback feels like as if 1023 Roc Luffy and Shuron hakke Kaido would be like gods here on GV.
GV right now feels like a low top tier scouting camp.
Isn't that WB being 2years away from his prime just a myth coming from an old reddi thread?
Cause right now it looks like especially WB is still far away from his prime
GV right now feels like a low top tier scouting camp.
Isn't that WB being 2years away from his prime just a myth coming from an old reddi thread?
Cause right now it looks like especially WB is still far away from his prime
You lost this argument
Whitebeard wasn't at his peak and didn't have the powerful Haki that could split the sky with Roger. This feat happens when two people are equal at that moment.
Rocks and Harald's feat is nothing like Garp and Aokiji's feat.
Oda proved in a random encounter that Roger and Whitebeard could easily repeat this feat without preparation.
And even Oden had repeated the same feat before but was shocked when he saw Whitebeard and Roger's encounter.
Luffy's Haki isn't going to change much by the end of the story. Yes, it might be comparable to Prime Rocks' Haki.
Only an Ladmiral fan could say that the picture above is a better masterpiece than the picture below.
Whitebeard wasn't at his peak and didn't have the powerful Haki that could split the sky with Roger. This feat happens when two people are equal at that moment.
Rocks and Harald's feat is nothing like Garp and Aokiji's feat.
Oda proved in a random encounter that Roger and Whitebeard could easily repeat this feat without preparation.
And even Oden had repeated the same feat before but was shocked when he saw Whitebeard and Roger's encounter.
Luffy's Haki isn't going to change much by the end of the story. Yes, it might be comparable to Prime Rocks' Haki.
Only an Ladmiral fan could say that the picture above is a better masterpiece than the picture below.
Yea imagine that.
Thing is WB and Roger later on have the clash of the centuries and right now it ain't looking like there are already at that lvl.
And in canon "Prime Garp" actually undergoes a training arc specifically for Chinjao's pointy head. Explain to me how Prime Garp, who prolly leveled up his CoA hardening if I'd have to bet, but in general seemingly got stronger, only then became the real Prime Garp..?
It doesn't add up, does it?
Edit: Chinjao Garp basically confirms already that atleast he wasn't at his absolute strongest.
Thing is WB and Roger later on have the clash of the centuries and right now it ain't looking like there are already at that lvl.
And in canon "Prime Garp" actually undergoes a training arc specifically for Chinjao's pointy head. Explain to me how Prime Garp, who prolly leveled up his CoA hardening if I'd have to bet, but in general seemingly got stronger, only then became the real Prime Garp..?
It doesn't add up, does it?
Edit: Chinjao Garp basically confirms already that atleast he wasn't at his absolute strongest.
< 1026 pre Nika Luffy 
Simply because they aren't the focus of the arc. You'll see when Xebec and Garp/Roger have one.
Now it wouldn't have much sense not only repicating someting already seen, but even put the focus on that. We had BB-Roger's moment, now is Garp's and Xebec's. And Roger's, after this.
Btw, I am not saying they are at their absolute prime. They are at 95% thought. 90 for WB.
We know their age, they already have their Powers, and we were told their prime was 2 years later.
Now it wouldn't have much sense not only repicating someting already seen, but even put the focus on that. We had BB-Roger's moment, now is Garp's and Xebec's. And Roger's, after this.
Btw, I am not saying they are at their absolute prime. They are at 95% thought. 90 for WB.
We know their age, they already have their Powers, and we were told their prime was 2 years later.
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