@Shiroyru @EmperorKinyagi @TheAncientCenturion By matchup scaling(an exact science, which any doctor takes seriously, as anyone still denying Wizaru>Luzan is sent to some type of mental illness facility), in the Akatsuki, Hashirama´s rival was Kakazu,
while old Hiruzen was up against Orochimaru.

It gets even worse once we start looking at the family. Hashirama´s grandkid(and you could say Tobirama´s grand nephew or whatever, since he was too busy playing with dead bodies to talk to women) died from from fodder
, while Hiruzens grandkid beat a Pain path.....