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Who has the greatest cutting skills ?


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Thanks for not using 'god' tier in your scaling (really uncomfortable to read).

If you take a step back and then compare eras you will realize how weak this era actually is compared to old gen.
We have four ACoC users Luffy, Zoro, Yamato, Loki and who can be considered top tiers (handful of the very strongest). Compare that to old gen which had Rocks, Roger, Ray, Garp, WB, BM, Sengoku, Oden, Kaido, Shiki, Harald, Gaban.
Going by generic shonen trope the current gen will surpass all previous gens and this is supposed to be the worst gen of all so they should have the strongest stack and for that you need Sabo, Kid, Law, Sanji, Killer, Coby, Momo, Wyper etc. to be at least as strong as old gen guys.
I am not a fan of power creep but when I look at things this way I have to accept that some of these guys will be in the realm of Roge/WB/Kaido
Yeah the more top tiers we get from the previous era the more obvious it is that we'll be seeing quite a few new top tiers in the current generation

Never believed we'd have so many before but now it's all but guaranteed. It's pretty crazy
 
We already knew Ray, Shanks, Roger are one type of swordsman. Mihawk, Oden, Zoro are another type.

Ray having internal destruction was a major giveaway. Zoro will never learn that.
Not all Zoro's Attacks cut tho
And this seems like internal destruction



Either way Zoro seems like a Garp or Whitebeard like Brute Force Fighter than some Precise cutter
Mihawk might be that too

I don't think precise techniques is Zoro's main focus, his style has always been overwhelming his opponents, both in will power and brute force.

Lucci had basket ball sized gashes on his body not some tiny cuts either.
 
Crazy how Gaban's Fighting Style is more like Zoro than Rayleigh

Multiple Weapons, Cuts etc

Zoro is a Mix of Roger (Sword Swalllowing) Rayleigh (Right Hand Man Partner Vice Captain) and Gaban (Cutting Pure Sword Skills)

I don't think Sanji has a parallel in Roger Pirates
I don't understand how Germa Science amped kicker equals CoC based cutter like Gaban
@ZenZu
 
Not all Zoro's Attacks cut tho
And this seems like internal destruction



Either way Zoro seems like a Garp or Whitebeard like Brute Force Fighter than some Precise cutter
Mihawk might be that too

I don't think precise techniques is Zoro's main focus, his style has always been overwhelming his opponents, both in will power and brute force.

Lucci had basket ball sized gashes on his body not some tiny cuts either.
This only cutting type swordsmen is pure bullshit. Mihawk aint limited by the limited headcanon imagination of faggots. They would put Ryuma in the same category only to realize that Ryuma used Brooks thrust piercing attacks which turned into bullet/canon shots because of Ryumas corpse power.
Mihawk having shockwave attacks is guaranteed.
 
This only cutting type swordsmen is pure bullshit. Mihawk aint limited by the limited headcanon imagination of faggots. They would put Ryuma in the same category only to realize that Ryuma used Brooks thrust piercing attacks which turned into bullet/canon shots because of Ryumas corpse power.
Mihawk having shockwave attacks is guaranteed.
Well there are different types of Swordsmen in One Piece, some cut, some freeze, some send people flying, some create shockwaves.

It doesn't mean that Zoro will be WSS in only one category, he will be stronger than every swordsman ever but @Welkin isn't wrong either.

Zoro's fighting style is slightly different than Shanks Rayleigh in a way that most of his attacks are linear or spiral cuts and not blasts

But WSS means that Zoro's Fighting Style will always come out on top of fighting style of any other swordsman.

All it means is that Swordsmanship is very multi-layered in One Piece
 
Anyways I was recently watching Demon Slayer Infinity Castle with my girlfriend in theater.
Best Anime movie experience ever in a long time

I also realized how shallow One Piece writing is compared to a good fiction like Demon Slayer. Maybe the reason is the concise nature of the show wand limited characters and arcs to work with.

But One Piece never felt that deep where it makes you connect with characters at the level that Demon Slayer does with just about any character through their flash backs back stories everything

Not to mention the amazing animation
Even modern One Piece animation "Improvement" really feels like fast moving blobs instead of capturing details that Demon Slayer does
 
More details of the chapter, thanks to redon from Arlong Park Forums.

Chapter of 19 pages (2 color pages from Color Spread and 17 black and white normal pages).

- Chapter 1,161: “The Song of Love that blew through the shower of arrows”.

- This week chapter has Color Spread and normal cover at the same time!!

- Special reader request for Color Spread: “Straw Hat crew playing in a claw machine against a giant lion”.

Usopp is playing in a big claw machine against a huge lion. Machine prizes are hundred of stuffed toys and all of them are One Piece characters related with Straw Hat crew. For example, Luffy is carrying stuffed toys of Shanks, Ace, Sabo, Dadan, Garp, Makino, Rayleigh, Whitebeard and Gaimon. Nami carries stuffed toys of Bell-mère, Nojiko, Genzo, Haredas and Vivi.

Zoro and Jinbe are sleeping on top of giant stuffed toys of Dorry, Brogy, Saul and Shirahoshi. Sanji throws Buggy stuffed toy to Zoro. Chopper is crying because he's trapped inside the claw machine, Robin is praying for him and Franky realizes they don't have enough coins to play in the claw machine. And Brook is inside the claw machine too because he's one of the claws looool

- Ogre Child Yamato's Golden Harvest Surrogate Pilgrimage, Vol. 43: “Heroes' resting place”. Yamato, Kinemon and Momonosuke are praying inside a shrine. We can see paper lamps with the name of Wanokuni's heroes (Kouzuki Oden, Kouzuki Toki, Izou, Ashura Doji, Yasuie...).

- Chapter starts with battles everywhere in God Valley. Dragon was running away with Shanks and Shamrock but a laser beam pierced him. Dragon and the babies fell to the ground, Shanks hit his little head and lost consciousness.

- Dragon was attacked by the big woman with sharp teeth from last chapter, she shot a beam from her mouth like a Pacifista. That woman was “Saint Maffey” from “Satchel Family” and she was part of the “Knights of God”.

- Maffey picked Shamrock up from the ground. She was sent by the Tenryuubito in charge of the babies. He wanted her to bring them back before Garling finds out what happened and kills him.

- Maffey was surprised to discover that Garling had children, and she was also surprised to see that someone wanted to kidnap them. Dragon was injured but he wanted to save the babies because they were his atonement to make up for his participation in that cruel game of murder.

- When Maffey was about to kill Dragon with her sword, she was slashed in half by Whitebeard who coincidentally appear there along with Shiki, Big Mom and Kaidou. Shiki was angry with Whitebeard saying he was trying to kill him. Kaidou was annoyed with Linlin too.

- Suddenly, many pirates from Hachinosu encircled them. That pirates turned on the “Rocks Pirates” instead of trying to find Shakky because they thought they will make a huge name if defeated them. But Whitebeard, Shiki, Big Mom and Kaidou attacked them together in an EPIC double page.

- Maffey (still with Shamrock in her hands) wondered what the heck was going on with that island. Dragon managed to get away from the area, thinking the children had been taken. But to his surprise, he saw Shanks unconscious on the ground and he run away with the baby.

- Garp noticed the “big shots” are near him so he went to “catch” them. Garp punched the ground while Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaidou dodged the attack. Kaidou wanted to fight Garp but Big Mom and Whitebeard didn't want to drag things out so they run away.

- As they run, Big Mom combined Zeus and Prometheus into a massive attack called “Heavenly Fire Breeze”. But Garp takes no damage.

Garp: "This fire can't even roast a prime rib, Linlin!!"

- After that we see Rocks running to the center of God Valley. He was thinking about his son and his wife (called “Ellis”).

- Then we see that “Rocks Pirates” and “Roger Pirates” were closing in to the middle of the valley. Roger went fight Whitebeard, pretending he had his hand full and then he ordered Rayleigh to go help Shakky instead.

- Marines tried to take Shakky away but she kicked and defeated them all even in chains. But Sommers appeared and slapped/hit Shakky with his club. Sommers prepared to kill Shakky since she will belong to Garling anyway.

- But in the FUCKING AMAZING last double page of the chapter Rayleigh appeared to save Shakky and defeated Sommers with a new attack called “Billhook of the Beyond” (“Higanbana” (彼岸刃鉈 - ひがんばな) in japanese, same pronunciation as red spider lily flower). Rayleigh's attack pose is very similar to Zoro's pose when he uses “Onigiri” attack.

Rayleigh: "Shakky... Sorry I'm late. But I have come to get you!!!"

- Rayleigh offered his hand to Shakky (now Rayleigh's pose is very similar to Luffy's pose when he offered his hand to Momonosuke in Zou). Shakky burst into tears and they both hug each other while crying. Roger and Gaban also cried but with a mix of joy and jealousy (we can see a broken heart in their text balloons looool)

Shakky: "Ray-san!!! You are so slow!!"

Rayleigh: "I am sorry for you to have to experience such things..."

Shakky: "I was so scared!!"

Rayleigh: "I will neve..."

Roger/Gaban: "Do it later you bastard!!!"

- Chapter ends with an order from Roger to all his nakamas...

Roger: "Boys!! We have Shakky back!!! Let's take the treasures and get out of this place~~~!!!"

Roger Pirates: "Yeeeaaaah~~~~!!!"

- End of chapter. NO break next week.
 
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