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Big Mom ran right after she attacked, she didn’t stay to fight, she just wanted to buy time.
Whitebeard and Kaidou moved forward along with Shiki, but it was a mistake for the Rocks pirates to convince Kaidou not to fight Garp when he actually wanted to, because if Kaidou had defeated prime Garp right there, he could have bought them time.
Whitebeard and Kaidou moved forward along with Shiki, but it was a mistake for the Rocks pirates to convince Kaidou not to fight Garp when he actually wanted to, because if Kaidou had defeated prime Garp right there, he could have bought them time.
Yeah cause they were scared as fuck lol
in a 3 v 1 to boot
in a 3 v 1 to boot
Like I said, illiterate clowns.
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Kaido could have attacked as well. Again, no one would have stopped him. They didn’t stop Big Mom.
Oda’s entire thing with Kaido’s character is that Kaido was never worthy of actually being called the strongest, at every opportunity Oda consistently robs him of the chance to 1v1 real top tiers and even degrades him while doing so lol. Only idiotic Fodder actually think Kaido is strong, but there’s a reason Oda never lets Kaido fight a top tier at Kaido’s own expense lol.
Like, Kaido wanted to triple team Garp but Oda wouldn’t give him the satisfaction. Kaido wanted to fight Rox but Oda wouldn’t let him. Kaido wanted to use hostages against Harald but Rox kicked him like a fodder. Oda is literally protecting Kaido from having his fake rumor title debunked. Lol
Oda’s entire thing with Kaido’s character is that Kaido was never worthy of actually being called the strongest, at every opportunity Oda consistently robs him of the chance to 1v1 real top tiers and even degrades him while doing so lol. Only idiotic Fodder actually think Kaido is strong, but there’s a reason Oda never lets Kaido fight a top tier at Kaido’s own expense lol.
Like, Kaido wanted to triple team Garp but Oda wouldn’t give him the satisfaction. Kaido wanted to fight Rox but Oda wouldn’t let him. Kaido wanted to use hostages against Harald but Rox kicked him like a fodder. Oda is literally protecting Kaido from having his fake rumor title debunked. Lol
You said a whole lot of nothing but headcanon and your typing slander of waido because you know waido clears Ladmirals in feats and hype.
Again they had different main goals. Kaido and BM wanted DF for example. Kaido also is rookie pirate who doesn't have highest authority when he was in rocks crew.
Again they had different main goals. Kaido and BM wanted DF for example. Kaido also is rookie pirate who doesn't have highest authority when he was in rocks crew.
Where did anyone say Garp wasn't a monster?
That's a literal non sequitur to what you're responding to.
GV Big Mom always scaled below this Garp.
But that has nothing to do with the much simpler point of the fact that none of them actually tried to fight him like that clown Lee keeps saying. She threw an attack while already running off to their actual goals.
That's a literal non sequitur to what you're responding to.
GV Big Mom always scaled below this Garp.
But that has nothing to do with the much simpler point of the fact that none of them actually tried to fight him like that clown Lee keeps saying. She threw an attack while already running off to their actual goals.
God Valley has completely changed my views on Wano Act 4. I honestly thought Rocks would be portrayed as a man who pushed the boundaries, like Teach: a villain, who did heroic things, but, I fell for WG propaganda, when I should have had faith in Linlin, Newgate, and Kaido for sailing with Rocks to begin with.
Rocks is a true hero, and Teach is a victim. My Wano Act 4 theories resolved around Teach taking over the country, but, I had one big flaw with them: Wano is incredibly loyal to the Kozuki now. My Catarina Awakening leading to the Blackbeard Pirates imitating the Wano Officials theory was fun, but, it doesn't work because the country is now free/happy, and I don't think they'd fall for the same trick twice. It doesn't fit Teach, either:
-On Newgate's crew, Teach didn't do anything evil, until Thatch
-Kicked Wapol out of Drum Island without damaging much of it
-In Jaya, Teach complimented Luffy and Zoro, and told Nami Skypiea exists
-Teach offered Ace to join his crew and clearly didn't want to fight him
-Released less prisoners from Impel Down than Luffy and has most of those released under his control
-Teach apparently didn't really kill anyone in the Payback war
If Teach a bad guy? Yeah, but, he's really not that evil, considering his reputation. So, I no longer think Teach will take over and stealth rule Wano.
"Rabbits" is a big theme on God Valley; the Davy Clan are a Clan that stood against the WG for centuries, while hidden from them.
The Kokuzuki and Minks Tribes are allies who have both used their countries' unique geographies to evade the WG, who view them as mortal enemies.
All the emphasis on hunting rabbits: what is the first thing we see Garling do in God Valley (chapter wise, not timeline wise)? Stab the King to death.
The Rabbit Mink, Carrot, is now Queen of Zou, while the Gorosei have been shown directly commenting on Momo's decisions not to open the borders, saying it was shrewd.
The Celestial Dragons are currently starving, and Marijoa is now under attack and aflame according to Imu. We also have the God's Knights invading territories, as seen in Elbaph. What is a naturally defensive territory, that is now full of delicious food?
Wano, the Ancient Enemy of the WG.
I believe the Abyss allows people to travel to places they've been before; Sommers mentioned Shamrock visiting Harald's grave, which is why Shamrock could teleport to Elbaph's castle, he had visited Harald there, after meeting him and Shanks at the Reverie Harald described meeting Shanks at (if Harald met Shanks, this is where he most likely met Shamrock).
And we know an angry, bald old man, who wields the Shodai Kitetsu, and has a Wano-themed name:
Yamato's Cover Series is at Volume 43: 4 in Japanese is associated with death, a main theme of the Wano Arc, with Oden's death, Kaido's suicide, and the Scabbards willingness to die for their Lord. Next Volume of Yamato's Cover Series is 44:
V. Nusjuro is connected to death through his seeming immortality and his Youkai form being an undead horse. Teach WILL come to Wano, make no doubt.
First, the Celestial Dragons and World Government invade Wano to take it over, via Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro and the Abyss. Green Bull already told the WG how weak everyone who isn't Kaido is; the WG has no real reason to fear invasion right now. Marijoa is starving, and needs food, that Wano has.
Blackbeard is attacking Marijoa currently for York. I believe Teach has 4 big plays here:
1. Destroy as much of Marijoa and steal as much of its treasure as possible, including the Big Straw Hat, and York
2. Use Catarina to turn into Saturn and use the Abyss to go back to Egghead; have York take over the island as new Blackbeard Pirates Territory
3. Attack Fish-Man Island via the Abyss, to steal Shirahoshi (Caribou told Teach about her), via Catarina's Abyss/Fruit. Van Augur/Catarina fed Luffy in Egghead, and Catarina touched him: the "Luffy" that destroys Fish-Men Island in Shyarly's flashback, is Catarina in disguise. Teach takes Hodie's old Fish-Men army and makes them his own.
4. Teach invades Wano for Pluton over Caribou's info
Laffitte can hypnotize people, so they'll know Caribou is telling the truth about the Ancient Weapons.
After Marijoa is attacked, and Imu realizes Teach can use the Abyss, the WG will need a staging area to take Egghead back and take out Hachinosu. The best available place? Wano.
Teach will arrive to take Pluton, while the WG will want to take over Wano, and keep Pluton from being activated, so they can have a new fortress in the New World alongside New Marineford, that's closer to Teach/Elbaph/Totto Land.
V. Nusjuro will announce a Human Hunt once the WG attacks Wano. The Marines will aid them, being told that Wano is trying to activate the Ancient Weapon Pluton. Like the Kuja are all considered Pirates, even those who don't sail as Kuja Pirates, everyone in Wano will be declared a Pirate, as the country is waving the Straw Hat's Flag as their allies.
Hiyori will be taken as the "prize of the tournament", like Shakky. God Valley had 13 Super Rare Rabbits: these are the ones I think we'll see on this list, though there may be more than 13
Ultra Rare Rabbits (foreshadowed by Rodo's "Ultra Rare Nami" comments):
-The Oni Princess Yamato, Kaido's Daughter
-Lunarian King the Wildfire
-Momonosuke, Shogun of Wano
-Carrot, Queen of Zou
Special Rabbits:
-Nine Scabbards
-Tobi Roppo
-Gifters
-Beast Pirates in general
-High Ranking Wano officials
Blackbeard is evil, BUT, he inherently despises Human Hunts because of God Valley. Teach is also Oden's Nakama, and, from what we've seen, Teach doesn't LIKE betraying people, he does it when he feels it's necessary. If Newgate had went after the One Piece and challenged the WG earlier, I don't think Teach does his plots.
When Teach sees Wano, Oden's homeland, being human hunted, I think we'll finally see serious Davy D. Teach, his Mythical Zoan, CoC, the tekkō-kagi, the works. It's like Robin's PTSD about Ohara, but, a Yonkou with two fuck-you Fruits, fuck-you physical stats, and fuck-you Haki showing up to give the WG the business.
Once the WG invades, I think Momo/Carrot will be sent via Momo's Dragon form to Elbaph, to request the Straw Hat's aid, while Yamato and King stay behind to fight.
Carrot's been teased a lot since Wano, and has stated she wants to see Giants in Whole Cake: (there's no way I posted the wrong image first, because I got distracted by Nami bathing... no... okay, yeah, I did)
Since Garling targetted the King first, we can guess the Celestials would go after Momo and Carrot, who are both too weak to handle that crap.
Oda's done a lot to portray the CDs as Demons, recently:
After Imu has been shown being able to turn CDs like Gunko into Domi Reversi, why should we believe it's limited to her, when Domi Reversi clearly works on other Races/Tribes?
The Celestial Dragons will be Domi Reversi'd, and set upon Wano, as the Demons they are.
Davy D. Teach is going to kick Celestial Dragon ass in Wano Act 4
ZEHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, THIS IS HIS ERA!!!!
Rocks is a true hero, and Teach is a victim. My Wano Act 4 theories resolved around Teach taking over the country, but, I had one big flaw with them: Wano is incredibly loyal to the Kozuki now. My Catarina Awakening leading to the Blackbeard Pirates imitating the Wano Officials theory was fun, but, it doesn't work because the country is now free/happy, and I don't think they'd fall for the same trick twice. It doesn't fit Teach, either:
-On Newgate's crew, Teach didn't do anything evil, until Thatch
-Kicked Wapol out of Drum Island without damaging much of it
-In Jaya, Teach complimented Luffy and Zoro, and told Nami Skypiea exists
-Teach offered Ace to join his crew and clearly didn't want to fight him
-Released less prisoners from Impel Down than Luffy and has most of those released under his control
-Teach apparently didn't really kill anyone in the Payback war
If Teach a bad guy? Yeah, but, he's really not that evil, considering his reputation. So, I no longer think Teach will take over and stealth rule Wano.
"Rabbits" is a big theme on God Valley; the Davy Clan are a Clan that stood against the WG for centuries, while hidden from them.
The Kokuzuki and Minks Tribes are allies who have both used their countries' unique geographies to evade the WG, who view them as mortal enemies.
All the emphasis on hunting rabbits: what is the first thing we see Garling do in God Valley (chapter wise, not timeline wise)? Stab the King to death.
The Rabbit Mink, Carrot, is now Queen of Zou, while the Gorosei have been shown directly commenting on Momo's decisions not to open the borders, saying it was shrewd.
The Celestial Dragons are currently starving, and Marijoa is now under attack and aflame according to Imu. We also have the God's Knights invading territories, as seen in Elbaph. What is a naturally defensive territory, that is now full of delicious food?
Wano, the Ancient Enemy of the WG.
I believe the Abyss allows people to travel to places they've been before; Sommers mentioned Shamrock visiting Harald's grave, which is why Shamrock could teleport to Elbaph's castle, he had visited Harald there, after meeting him and Shanks at the Reverie Harald described meeting Shanks at (if Harald met Shanks, this is where he most likely met Shamrock).
And we know an angry, bald old man, who wields the Shodai Kitetsu, and has a Wano-themed name:
Yamato's Cover Series is at Volume 43: 4 in Japanese is associated with death, a main theme of the Wano Arc, with Oden's death, Kaido's suicide, and the Scabbards willingness to die for their Lord. Next Volume of Yamato's Cover Series is 44:
V. Nusjuro is connected to death through his seeming immortality and his Youkai form being an undead horse. Teach WILL come to Wano, make no doubt.
First, the Celestial Dragons and World Government invade Wano to take it over, via Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro and the Abyss. Green Bull already told the WG how weak everyone who isn't Kaido is; the WG has no real reason to fear invasion right now. Marijoa is starving, and needs food, that Wano has.
Blackbeard is attacking Marijoa currently for York. I believe Teach has 4 big plays here:
1. Destroy as much of Marijoa and steal as much of its treasure as possible, including the Big Straw Hat, and York
2. Use Catarina to turn into Saturn and use the Abyss to go back to Egghead; have York take over the island as new Blackbeard Pirates Territory
3. Attack Fish-Man Island via the Abyss, to steal Shirahoshi (Caribou told Teach about her), via Catarina's Abyss/Fruit. Van Augur/Catarina fed Luffy in Egghead, and Catarina touched him: the "Luffy" that destroys Fish-Men Island in Shyarly's flashback, is Catarina in disguise. Teach takes Hodie's old Fish-Men army and makes them his own.
4. Teach invades Wano for Pluton over Caribou's info
Laffitte can hypnotize people, so they'll know Caribou is telling the truth about the Ancient Weapons.
After Marijoa is attacked, and Imu realizes Teach can use the Abyss, the WG will need a staging area to take Egghead back and take out Hachinosu. The best available place? Wano.
Teach will arrive to take Pluton, while the WG will want to take over Wano, and keep Pluton from being activated, so they can have a new fortress in the New World alongside New Marineford, that's closer to Teach/Elbaph/Totto Land.
V. Nusjuro will announce a Human Hunt once the WG attacks Wano. The Marines will aid them, being told that Wano is trying to activate the Ancient Weapon Pluton. Like the Kuja are all considered Pirates, even those who don't sail as Kuja Pirates, everyone in Wano will be declared a Pirate, as the country is waving the Straw Hat's Flag as their allies.
Hiyori will be taken as the "prize of the tournament", like Shakky. God Valley had 13 Super Rare Rabbits: these are the ones I think we'll see on this list, though there may be more than 13
Ultra Rare Rabbits (foreshadowed by Rodo's "Ultra Rare Nami" comments):
-The Oni Princess Yamato, Kaido's Daughter
-Lunarian King the Wildfire
-Momonosuke, Shogun of Wano
-Carrot, Queen of Zou
Special Rabbits:
-Nine Scabbards
-Tobi Roppo
-Gifters
-Beast Pirates in general
-High Ranking Wano officials
Blackbeard is evil, BUT, he inherently despises Human Hunts because of God Valley. Teach is also Oden's Nakama, and, from what we've seen, Teach doesn't LIKE betraying people, he does it when he feels it's necessary. If Newgate had went after the One Piece and challenged the WG earlier, I don't think Teach does his plots.
When Teach sees Wano, Oden's homeland, being human hunted, I think we'll finally see serious Davy D. Teach, his Mythical Zoan, CoC, the tekkō-kagi, the works. It's like Robin's PTSD about Ohara, but, a Yonkou with two fuck-you Fruits, fuck-you physical stats, and fuck-you Haki showing up to give the WG the business.
Once the WG invades, I think Momo/Carrot will be sent via Momo's Dragon form to Elbaph, to request the Straw Hat's aid, while Yamato and King stay behind to fight.
Carrot's been teased a lot since Wano, and has stated she wants to see Giants in Whole Cake: (there's no way I posted the wrong image first, because I got distracted by Nami bathing... no... okay, yeah, I did)
Since Garling targetted the King first, we can guess the Celestials would go after Momo and Carrot, who are both too weak to handle that crap.
Oda's done a lot to portray the CDs as Demons, recently:
After Imu has been shown being able to turn CDs like Gunko into Domi Reversi, why should we believe it's limited to her, when Domi Reversi clearly works on other Races/Tribes?
The Celestial Dragons will be Domi Reversi'd, and set upon Wano, as the Demons they are.
Davy D. Teach is going to kick Celestial Dragon ass in Wano Act 4
ZEHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, THIS IS HIS ERA!!!!
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Roger confirmed in the page after he was pretending.
Prime WB was not his equal.
BTW handling WB fans is very annoying
The guy is 36, Oda confirmed that WB was already in his golden age at 38, he got the fruit (and many were denying he had it, to find an excuse to his poor portray), he now showed he got adv. Coc already, he got his prime design and he got his nagisa.
And he probably didn't fight at all in the next years, since he was just building his crew.
So why the cope.
Accept the L, Garp and Roger are stronger THAN WB.
It's not the end of the world, it's something I predicted long time ago. Whitebeard has always been fraudolent, he got hyped by using Roger, not the other way around. Shiki hyped Roger more in chapter 0.
How could people genuinely believe WB to be slightly stronger than Roger for title gospel mentality is still a question mark to me..
Critical thinking is the least intelligence category of average one piece fan, can't even put in discussion a freaking title and look at statement and feats.
Prime WB was not his equal.
BTW handling WB fans is very annoying
The guy is 36, Oda confirmed that WB was already in his golden age at 38, he got the fruit (and many were denying he had it, to find an excuse to his poor portray), he now showed he got adv. Coc already, he got his prime design and he got his nagisa.
And he probably didn't fight at all in the next years, since he was just building his crew.
So why the cope.
Accept the L, Garp and Roger are stronger THAN WB.
It's not the end of the world, it's something I predicted long time ago. Whitebeard has always been fraudolent, he got hyped by using Roger, not the other way around. Shiki hyped Roger more in chapter 0.
How could people genuinely believe WB to be slightly stronger than Roger for title gospel mentality is still a question mark to me..
Critical thinking is the least intelligence category of average one piece fan, can't even put in discussion a freaking title and look at statement and feats.
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