One Piece Chapter 1163: "Promise"

[thisnewtechnique]

Turns out it wasnt Imu's haki but rather COMBINED ACoC of Xebec, Garp, Roger, BM, WB that caused the island-shaking CoC burst

https://x.com/worstgenhq/status/1981647578778288224?s=46&t=yrRZ-ANZh6EBs7xwgJNlcg

 

[centurion]

 

[LemonadeCandy]

Unless Oda decides to go for a memory wipe kind of situation after the facts (which would bring its own problems), he's written himself into one hell of a corner here.

I was already iffy about this genocide game being a regular thing the celestial dragons do considering how much suspension of disbelief is needed to accept that they somehow have managed to cover atrocities of this scale for seemingly centuries. Oda just had to go way overboard to portray them as the most cartoonishly evil villains you could imagine despite how much it hurts the fictional universe's believability. Their underground dealings in child soldiers and weapons manufactured by slave labor was already enough to drive the point while keeping people's obliviousness to their crimes somewhat realistic but now we have to somehow accept that people around the world do not question the sudden annexation of unaffiliated islands and the complete disappearance of their native population...

Every marine officer now look either very dumb or pathetically subservient to authority to the point they would willingly overlook the worst acts of evil. I have no idea what I am supposed to think of Garp knowing he seemingly kept working for the marines while acknowledging that they are led by demons that massacre entire populations every 3 years.

Fact that Kaidou, BM and WB have never so much as mentioned Imu despite this being, for all intent, the single most overwhelming enemy they have faced in their entire career also feels off.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Fact that Kaidou, BM and WB have never so much as mentioned Imu despite this being, for all intent, the single most overwhelming enemy they have faced in their entire career also feels off.

They thought it's Saturn's transformation.

now we have to somehow accept that people around the world do not question the sudden annexation of unaffiliated islands and the complete disappearance of their native population...

How are they supposed to know of all these other countries? The one piece world is not as interconnected as ours. They have no passenger planes, navigation is notoriously difficult and dangerous. The blues in particular are rather oblivious to a lot of things. They consider DFs mythological or magic. Don't let the relatively modern looking clothing and the high tech of the WG and the big crews fool you, this world is in many ways comparable to our past.

Oda just had to go way overboard to portray them as the most cartoonishly evil villains you could imagine despite how much it hurts the fictional universe's believability.

People say this a lot but our world is MUCH worse. And many people, like in one piece, are oblivious to it.

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Is heaven world at sky island height?

 

[Worthy Man]

I find it bizarre how stupid some members are, thinking it's awesome that Imu is destroying Xebec... man, Xebec has been the biggest threat Imu has faced so far, but the fandom is talking nonsense, thinking he's useless compared to Xebec.

Imu is literally the final boss of this series; there's no way any character can even come close to what Xebec did.

 

[Logiko]

Oda just had to go way overboard to portray them as the most cartoonishly evil villains you could imagine despite how much it hurts the fictional universe's believability.

You do understand that we saw far worse behavior in the last two years, right? There is no problem of believability here. People can be horrible, to the point you can't even imagine. Imagine the worse, now, multiply that by 100 and you will not even get close to how bad REAL people can behave under bad circumstances

Every marine officer now look either very dumb or pathetically subservient to authority to the point they would willingly overlook the worst acts of evil.

Really?

we have to somehow accept that people around the world do not question the sudden annexation of unaffiliated islands

This got to be a joke...

>>

Oh.. I think I understand what Oda is here. Chances are that he is using this flashback to showcase and add weight to the (already) apocalyptic threat that is Imu in Wifi mode. Roger, Rocks, Kaido and Whitebeard all uniting against Saturnimu and Garp joining them?

Garp siding with Roger against Rocks might have been a simple cover up. Maybe Garp was threatenned into silence later.

Garp was probably indeed silenced. Now, I'm thinking.. It's possible that the reason Garp never quit the Marine and didn't make a real move during the war of the best is because the World Government had something against him.

 

[Akai2]

@TheAncientCenturion's been kidnapped and his kidnapper has good taste

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@TheAncientCenturion's been kidnapped and his kidnapper has good taste

Garling has been avenged, it was a good chapter

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

LMAO imagine voting in a chapter thread poll

Actual low IQ filter could never be me

 

[Logiko]

It's not just a good chapter, it's a major stepstone in the story. There needs to be one moment in every story where the antagonist needs to look unbeatable. And I'd be damn.. this chapter delivers perfectly on this promisse. Like.. Its pure control, almost ideological. And logically, no one can escape such control and manipulation. No one is immune to becoming what some may call... "evil". I love it.

 

[Akai2]

There has to be a counter play to that lol

Nika's rhythm but people aren't ready for that convo yet

 

[Logiko]

Nika's rhythm but people aren't ready for that convo yet

I don't know. Could be, but If I were Oda, I'd wait until the very end of Elbaf to explain the counter-measure. It's a bit too soon, maybe just through a little hint. But there is also Blackbeard, and it's another thing that I find fascinating here. Imu, despite being depicted as the ultimate threat of the story, is still not the main antagonist of Luffy in my book. So what will happen between those three I wonder..

 

[Moewu]

I think Imu Nerona is a Celestial Dragon, possessed by a Demon King we don't know the name of.

Edit: Actually, thinking back to Brooks Time Skip Adventure, I think Imu is possessed by Satan. Maybe the people that "summoned" Brook couldn't summon the real Satan, because Imu already did?

This is an interesting thought. I thought about something similar when I recently watched the LOTr trilogy again after many years. Maybe they accidently released something

The hole in Enies Lobby comes to mind. But that would require it to be there a very long time.

 

[OPKnK]

You do understand that we saw far worse behavior in the last two years, right? There is no problem of believability here. People can be horrible, to the point you can't even imagine. Imagine the worse, now, multiply that by 100 and you will not even get close to how bad REAL people can behave under bad circumstances


Really?


This got to be a joke...

>>

Garp was probably indeed silenced. Now, I'm thinking.. It's possible that the reason Garp never quit the Marine and didn't make a real move during the war of the best is because the World Government had something against him.

It's like some people have not been paying attention to last 10 years in our fucking world .
The world superpower vote back in someone that fuck over the world and there own country again and we talking about people in OP world lacking believability .
If anything over the last 10 years the saying of truth stranger than fiction has never been more true .
If wrote what happening in our world as tv show, movie , book etc etc 20 years ago people would call me a hack lmao .

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Even if that wasnt his haki which I doubt it we have this:

From like the center of the middle realm to its outskirt, you can see the waterfall at the bottom left.

And it went all the way to the lower realm:

and Eblaf is huge. Way bigger then GV or Egghead:
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Also this was Saturnmu last chapter:​

Look at where the clouds are. How far up the lightning blast goes and beyond the island from the sides as well.​

yep people forget how insane Imu gunko haki was on elbaf or even when they first came to GV.

 

[LemonadeCandy]

They thought it's Saturn's transformation.

Does this matter? He was still an unstoppable monster they were completely powerless against. Surely an acknowledgment of the WG's hidden strength from any of those guys would have been warranted considering they experienced it first hand.

ow are they supposed to know of all these other countries? The one piece world is not as interconnected as ours. They have no passenger planes, navigation is notoriously difficult and dangerous. The blues in particular are rather oblivious to a lot of things. They consider DFs mythological or magic. Don't let the relatively modern looking clothing and the high tech of the WG and the big crews fool you, this world is in many ways comparable to our past.

I could get behind that somewhat if the hunting competition was not a regularly occurring event that has been going on for (seemingly) ages. Sailing is dangerous in the OP world but we know for a fact that people do possess the means to do it. Trade between nations is a thing, state sponsored adventurers like Noland and Orlumbus exist, random pirates make the round between islands all the time and the marines are an organization that maintains bases and the logistical infrastructure that connects them on a nearly global scale.

If Garling can stumble by pure chance upon God Valley on a random unrelated voyage, the odds that it was, until then, a completely isolated island with no connection to neighboring nations are close to zero. It's hard to accept that until that very moment, no adventurers and no pirates made landfall and connected it to the wider world's network or knowledge. Point being, it would only take a single nation with a trade connection to one of those massacred islands to notice the sudden disappearance of its entire population and subsequent annexation for things to unravel. What about pirates that we know regularly raid unaffiliated islands and the rumors they would spread over what happened to one of the islands they operate in? What about the hundreds of marines that escort the CDs and blockade the islands over weeks and the easy information leaks that would entail? Extrapolate that over the centuries during which this contest has been going on and it's nearly unconceivable that the native hunting competition is not a widely known event the celestial dragons partake in in a world with global newspaper networks and instant telecommunication technology.

 

[eamonpro]

I guess WB, Kaido, BM, etc were just like "welp this imu guy is god tier lets just ignore him from now on yep"

 

[Yoho]

I guess WB, Kaido, BM, etc were just like "welp this imu guy is god tier lets just ignore him from now on yep"

Yeah pretty much

 

[centurion]

 

[eamonpro]

Bro is yowling like a cartoon wolf in a zoot suit when he stubs his toe

 

[centurion]

Bro is yowling like a cartoon wolf in a zoot suit when he stubs his toe

Yes but its monkey / ape instead of wolf